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Dave, I for one would like to hear more on this.
I tend to think that staying stock is best. I might be overly
conservative, but too many times I've seen how altering
the original can create problems in other areas. If this
is not the case with EI it might be the solution for my
100,000 mile 440 that still doesn't run right (after paying for a
shop tune-up). I have a high mileage van with EI and like the way
it starts without even touching the gas in below zero temperatures. It
never misses a beat and I just keep up with service maintenance. I'd love for my
Imperial to do as well! What do parts run for this
conversion?
Thanks for the info,
Dan Collins
67 Crown Coupe
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 11:26
AM
Subject: IML: Ignition Help
It's pretty sad, when local repair people are put back by basic point
type systems. However there are some simple basic things, that you can do
yourself. If your spark-plug wires, are the old carbon core type, and more
than 5yrs. old, it may be time to up-grade, a simple test, is to open the hood
while the engine is running, in a VERY dark place,(night time) and look at the
wires, if you see any fire(spark voltage) on the wires, they're done.
Spark-plugs can also be a problem, even if you inspect them, and think they
look" OK", old fuel, additives,valve seals,rings, and high speed running,
can GLAZE deposits on the spark-plug and create a resistive path to ground. As
far as cleaning spark-plugs, the only RIGHT way is to use a sand-blast type
plug cleaner.Never, Never, wire wheel, or wire brush spark-plugs, by doing so
you will burnish the deposits, and transfer the wire material on the
spark-plug, creating a better path for grounding, resulting in miss-fire or no
fir e.Whether you use, point type or electronic ignitions, the most important
factor, is the voltage supply to the system. This voltage should be no less
.5-1 volt of battery voltage, if it is then wiring, connections, and possibly
ignition switch, are of concern, low voltage in = low spark voltage out. The
electronic type ignitions are more forgiving, than the point type. If the
voltage drops on the point type, the current demand increases, resulting in
over-heated points, and burned contacts, and lower spark voltage.As you can
see, there are many factors effecting the performance of the ignition
system, there are other factors to discuss, and I would be more
than happy to, if ya'll see the need.Ya'll have a nice Christmas,
Dave
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From: JAY D'ANGELO
<cadij@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Up until a couple weeks ago, the car ran
perfectly, drove it all the way to LA and back. It just suddenly
started to act weird after sitting about a week. It is a new reman
engine with about 2K on it, so the timing chain and gears are new. I
replaced the coil with a blaster II, 40K volts, to go with the Pertronix
(after it started acting up).
When I get it back, I'll double check
the wires (new with the engine), the cap (also new) and check all the
connections and reset the timing. The fuel pump is also new (I know
that new stuff can go bad). I wonder if one of the wires got cooked if
it was too close to the exhaust manifold - but I have to look at
it.
I think I'll replace the Petronix and go back to points and a
stock coil (the Blaster II would be too much juice, wouldn't it for
stock?).
I changed the fuel filter when it started acting up and I
also richened up the fuel mixture, to no avail.
Th e problem out here
is everyone wants to make a quick buck and no one that I can find knows hows
to trouble shoot older stuff, especially all the youngsters who don't even
know what an Imperial is, much less a non computerized ignition
system.
I know I'm going to find that it was some silly, stupid,
simple thing....at least I hope so.
Thanks for the advice.
Jay
D'Angelo
64 Iml Cvt
Las Vegas
> From: jlandis81044@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To:
mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Re: IML: 64 Iml Cvt
engine fire - need alt gauge
> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:57:25
-0500
>
> Sounds like crossed plug wire(s) to me.
> >
> > From: randalpark@xxxxxxx
> > Date: 2006/12/25 Mon AM
11:40:28 EST
> > To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
Subject: Re: IML: 64 Iml Cvt engine fire - need alt gauge
> >
> > Good luck on that.
> >
> > My experience
with plug wires has been nothing more than running on six or seven cylinders
rather than all 8 and no back firing. If they are all really old (I mean
really old) and arcing, then what you describe could happen. You would see
blue flashes under the hood in the dark. Are you sure that the distributor
cap isn't cracked? Your description doesn't sound as much like a misfire, as
maybe a cross fire. I wouldn't be so quick to eliminate th at ignition
system either. If it isn't working the way that it is suppose to, it can do
the things that you describe. I have experienced the complete failure of
electronic ignition systems, and I have also experienced partial failure,
caused by loose or dirty connections (check the coil), and ultimately frying
sensitive circuitry.
> >
> > I am still concerned about
the fire. For that to happen, a spark or heat needs to come into contact
with something combustible, like gasoline or some other fluid. That is
unless you are running with no air filter and catch the hood insulation pad
on fire due to a seriously mistuned engine. Are you sure that isn't a pin
hole leak in the pressure hose on your power steering, or maybe the fuel
filter or line?
> >
> > Timing chain can skip without hot
rod ding the car, but this is very uncommon in the 413, unless the timing
gears were replaced with non-original nylon coated ones as were used in the
440 form 1966 o n. If the car truly is running flawlessly on idle, and
gradual acceleration, I would be looking for a starving fuel condition that
could be caused by incorrect carburation, clogged fuel filter, restricted
line, or weak fuel pump. On the ignition side, arcing ignition wires, bad
distributor cap, or otherwise weak ignition or coil.
> >
>
> Paul W.
> >
> >
> > -----Original
Message-----
> > From: cadij@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > To:
mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 6:34
AM
> > Subject: RE: IML: 64 Iml Cvt engine fire - need alt
gauge
> >
> >
> > I don't know yet. I don't
think it was the carb. They installed a new 1406, same as before and rewired
everything.
> >
> > However, when I picked it up, it
still was flat spotting and backfiring when I give it more gas. Got to be
electrical. I doubt it's the Pertronix ignition module, though. Spent a lot
of time researching and found that when they fail, they do so suddenly
without any warning.
> >
> > The timing is at 5 degrees
BTC; I changed it from about 15. I'm thinking the plugs and wires - sounds
like a misfire to me. I had this problem before and found that one of the
spark plug boots had come loose and was barely making contact and on
acceleration or turns, the engine would falter and pop.
> >
> > I checked the connections before the fire, but perhaps one of
the wires or plugs is bad and is causing a misfire. I'll pick the car up
again from the shop on Tuesday and I will replace the plug wires and switch
to Autolite 85's.
> >
> > Someone mentioned that the
timing chain may have jumped. I don't hot rod it, so I can't figure how that
may have happened.
> >
> > But, it idles steady as a rock
and at slow feed on the gas, there is no problem. Keep your fingers crossed
for me - I hope it's the plug s and wires, cause that's a heck of a lot
cheaper than alternatives.
> >
> > Thanks all for the
suggestions, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! (Would you believe it
snowed in vegas last week?)
> >
> > Jay D'Angelo
>
> 64 Iml Cvt
> > Las Vegas
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re:
IML: 64 Iml Cvt engine fire - need alt gauge
> > Date: Sat, 23 Dec
2006 19:49:15 -0500
> > From: randalpark@xxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > I don't recall the actual cause of your fire.
Can you briefly tell us again? Was it electrical, fuel, or power steering
related?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Paul
W.
> >
> >
> > -----Original
Message-----
> > From: cadij@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > To:
mailing-list@ imperialclub.com
> > Sent: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 3:37
PM
> > Subject: IML: 64 Iml Cvt engine fire - need alt
gauge
> >
> >
> > Well, the engine compartment
was re-wired by a shop in Las Vegas that specializes in automotive
electrical work. They did everything from the fuse box out through the
firewall and did a nice job. Instead of wrapping all the wires to make it
look original, I opted for the coiled plastic sheathing - looks pretty good
actually.
> >
> > The first place I took it to wanted
$2300 and, after a week of looking at it, they decided they didn't want to
tackle the job. The other outfit did a clean job and only charged $1300,
including the new carb.
> >
> > Next week, I will clean
up the engine bay and detail everything again; and get a new fire
extinguisher. I want to emphasize again the importance of having a FIRE
EXTINGUISHER on board - it saved my car.
> >
> > I have o
ne problem, though. The alternator gauge got fried when the wire got too hot
and I need a replacement.
> >
> > Anyone have a spare
working amp gauge for my 64?
> >
> > Jay D'Angelo
>
> 64 Iml Cvt
> > Las Vegas
> > 702 400-3749
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