Re: IML: 69 Windshield Replacement

[<dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

HI John....thanks! the more I think about it I kinda remember that the rook trim on my old '66 with the vinyl top did, as you mention, have a different shaped trim piece. It probably would also be a real bear !! to get the rear window trim and get the window set just right....I think I have talked myself out of trying it anyway! I'd hate to mess the car up as it does look pretty good right now.....with a GOOD pait job it will look GREAT!! (project #1,324 on my list!!)
Thanks again!
Dan


---- john sadowski <jsadowski@xxxxxxx> wrote: 

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I think the labor is around $300. I don't know if they figured that based on 
the 66 windshield or the 69. Fortunately, my insurance is covering it.
      On the 66 vinyl top, I think the roof trim is different from the non 
vinyl. I know 64 is for sure & am guessing that 64-66 shared the same trim. 
The trim piece above the side glass is shaped different to hide the metal 
strip that screws into the roof to hold the vinyl. I think the hardest part 
of installing is getting the seams straight. I had a 64 Crown Coupe & 
watched them put the top on & they seemed to be struggling with it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "john sadowski" <jsadowski@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 69 Windshield Replacement


> Hi John! Sorry you are having such a hard time getting the windshield for 
> your '69!!! Hopefully "third time is the charm!", will be true! By the 
> way, I forgot to ask you if the next time you are talking with your 'glass 
> shop' you would kindly ask them WHERE IN CALIFORNIA ( and from who) they 
> had got the windshield for a '66 that they had originally sent you instead 
> of one for your '69.
> I am following with interest your 'adventure' about replacing the vinyl 
> roof on your car. My '66 LeBAron does not have the vinyl roof and I was 
> considering adding one sometime in the future.....my old '66 Crown, my 
> 'daily-driver' back in the 70's, was the same Deep Plum color as this 
> LeBaron but had the black vinyl top and I really liked the 'limo-like' 
> look of the car with the vinyl top! BUT, having said that I am not sure 
> that adding a vinyl top is something I would want to try myself, but , ya 
> never know!!!! I'd love to hear any comments about doing something like 
> that (adding a vinyl top) to a vehicle that didn't originally have 
> one.....bad-idea??? good-idea???
> I also am curious as to what the cost is to change out the front 
> windshield itself?....meaning 'labor' not including the cost of the 
> windshield.....!
> Good Luck and hopefully the next window will get there in one piece!!!!
> Dan Melnik
>
>
> ---- john sadowski <jsadowski@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> =============
> The adventure continues. I first got a windshield for a 66. The correct 
> one arrived this week. Unfortunately it broke in transit. Another one is 
> on the way.
> John
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Frederick Joslin
>  To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:57 PM
>  Subject: Re: IML: 69 Windshield Replacement
>
>
>  Hi John:
>
>  I am in the long process of replacing the vinyl roof on my 69 LeBaron 2 
> door. I was aware of some rust at the front of the roof, but did not think 
> that there was any around the window frame or anywhere else.
>
>  It turns out that there was quite a bit of rust around the front window 
> frame, especially at the trim clip screws and both A pillars were rusted 
> out near the top under the seam in the vinyl roof. Also, the factory body 
> filler at both seams at the top of the C pillars was somewhat flaky and 
> too easy to remove with some rust undernearth. I also had rust under the 
> rear window insert all the way across the back with several parts rusted 
> through.
>
>  The trim clips screw into the window frame. You cannot get behind for 
> bolts. Just about every one of my clips was rusted beyond reuse with a 
> variable size rust hole asociated with each. I am surprised that the trim 
> did not come out by itself. Probably held on by rust
>
>  I would suggest doing what I did which is remove the roof and front and 
> rear windows and get out the grinder and remove all rust you can find. It 
> is not especially hard or time consuming since you are working with a 
> relatively small area. Get the right tools.
>
>  I used the epoxy type body fillers to fill everything around the front 
> window frame after a good metal prep. I think that these are easier to use 
> in this type of small area irregular application and better than "Bondo". 
> I know that steel is best followed by lead, but I think that this will 
> work. I re-bondoed the seams at the top of the C pillars and steel 
> panelled and bondoed the area under the rear insert.
>
>  Note that if you replace the vinyl roof you should remove the glass 
> window from the rear fiberglass insert. The vinyl roof goes on before the 
> windows are installed. This is probably a good idea anyway since it 
> appears that a leak at a bad seal in my back window led to the rust under 
> the insert. There was some headliner material caught in the rubber sealing 
> of the back window at a bottom corner, I am guessing from the factory.
>
>  If you do not want to do the repairs yourself, you could at least do the 
> rust removal. This would take care of much of the work and remove 
> ambiguity about how much actually needed to be repaired when you take it 
> to the repair shop.
>
>  BTW: I have found some trim clips at the local General Store which I 
> think will work. I do not have any originals to compare them to! They are 
> in a "WeePack" and something like 6 or 8 for $2. It seems expensive for 
> what they are, but for these cars is actually incredible cheap.
>
>  Game 3 of the World series is on right now. I am rooting for St. Louis
>
>  These cars throw more curve balls than a World Series starter
>
>  Good luck
>
>
>
>
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: "john sadowski"
>    To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>    Subject: IML: 69 Windshield Replacement
>    Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:13:46 -0700
>
>
>    Well, I thought I was going to get the windshield replaced in my 69 
> today. Turns out, the glass shop ordered one for a 66 instead. They 
> located a correct one in California & will have it here in about a week.
>         The shop manager was a little negative about replacing it due to 
> the rust in the header. He says it will leak & could fly out in an 
> accident. He also said he would have to glue the trim back on because of 
> the rust. if I'm not mistaken, the clips bolt through to the inside of the 
> car & not slid into the metal lip & the moldings press onto them? He is 
> asking me to sign a waiver in case anything like that happens. I would get 
> the roof fixed if I knew of a reliable shop here in the Phoenix area. I 
> don't want to spend a fortune & have it turn out poor.
>    John
>
>
>
> Fred Joslin
>
>
>
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