Key to finding the right diesel oil will be looking for an oil that forgoes gas engine ratings alltogether. They are out there, though Rotella is not one of them. We will likely see a new class of oils in the coming years -- akin to race oils, these will be what big industrial equipment are now running. These oils are better for old engines than new oils and it will become more evident that running an SM (or later) oil is just a death sentence for an old engine. What is clear is that JUST looking for a "diesel" oil is NOT going to be sufficient. You need a diesel oil that is made for non-catalytic engines, and thus you can forget about gas engine and small diesel engine applications. Consumer diesel and gas oils are on a converging track. Indeed, mostly its about the zinc. There are products out there that aim to boost the ZDDP content, but I hate to mess with chemistry. Most, if not all oils are pretty well engineered and you are taking chances when you pour in stuff from different companies (or even different products from the same company). It is true that the critical moment is the break in process. Thus, many older engines will work for a while, maybe a long time, with "modern" oils. But to suggest that the modern formulations that are designed to spare catalytic converter life are "superior" to other oils is a fallacy. Have fun.... dch.... -----Original Message----- From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob McCall Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:48 PM To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: IML: OIL & Sunoco 94 in PA Brian, Sunoco 94 isn't as readily available in PA as it was this time last year. It looks like they are phasing it out slowly this year. I stopped at Sunoco out side of West Chester last Sunday to fill my Barracuda, and they had 93, 91, 89, & 87. Previously it was 94, 93, 89, 87. I went for the 93. This morning I stopped for gas in my Intrepid at a Sunoco in Great Valley and they still had 94. This was a station with a two bay garage, the other a mini-mart. Don't know if that makes a difference in what fuel grades they carry or not. I suspect they will loose the 94 later. I don't know, maybe it's too costly to make 94 octane with e10, but e85 has a higher octane rating. As for wiping cam lobes out, yes I have done it in that Barracuda. However I suspect it was from floating the valves while drag racing, and possibly having a defective lifter. I replaced the cam & lifters last winter. Comp Cams recommend using the Shell Rotella to break in the new cam. Turns out I have other issues in the motor (I knew I should have pulled it last winter), so it's coming apart this winter. After the motor is broken in with the diesel oil I'll probably go back to Mobil 1. The zinc additives are what has been disappearing from the oils because it can damage catalytic converters. Not an issue on your Crown, but it is for the millions of later model vehicles. Hot Rod Magazine did an article either earlier this year or sometime last year on the oil and wiping cams issue. Their research looked into several theories (less additives, poorly made cams and/or lifters, improper cam break-in, etc.) and their research was inconclusive. They did note that the zinc content in the diesel oils will be getting reduced over the next couple years, but that race oils are higher in zinc (and other happy flat lobe additives) than the diesel oil. They mentioned Quaker State race oil in the article, but I haven't found any info on it. Rob McCall '67 LeBaron - need to address a few things before I worry about the cam lobes. ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm