Re: IML: New Yorkers & such

["Jay King" <j_king@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi, Bill,

Good info! Better than mine. I had forgotten the St. Regis/NYB . . . Thanks!

Jay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <wwatson5@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: IML: New Yorkers & such
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:30:57 -0700

> 
> 
> The Chrysler (and Dodge St.Regis) of 1979 used the R body, not a stretched M
> body.   The R body was a reworked B body on a 118.5 wheelbase and used the B
> body's longitudinal torsion bars, and not the F/M/J/Y bodies' transverse
> bars.   It came in two series, Newport (TH) and New Yorker (TP), with the
> Newport at 220.2" and the New Yorker at 221.5" in length.  Width was 77.6"
> Not quite the size of the 1978 C body Chryslers, but larger than the M body
> LeBaron with the 4-door sedan on a 113" wheelbase, 205.2" length and 74.2":
> width.  The Newport could be had with a slant six.
> 
> The 1979 Fifth Avenue Edition Package (A79 on the data tag) came in a
> two-tone champagne colour scheme (upper - Designers Cream, lower - Designers
> Beige) with a matching inner ring on the whitewall tires.   The side and
> hood were adorned with Beige and Cashmere accent stripes while the bumper
> had colour-keyed bumper guards and trim strips.   The vinyl roof, leather
> and vinyl seats, instrument panel, door panels and carpet were
> colour-coordinated to the exterior. As well, the Fifth Avenue had 'gills' on
> the sides of the front fenders.
> 
> For 1980 the Fifth Avenue Edition package could be had in a black walnut
> metallic (A67).  . This time all the above items, including the colour
> stripe on the tires, was colour keyed to the black walnut paint with the
> accent stripes a gold colour.
> 
> In 1981 the Fifth Avenue Edition came in a variety of two tone combinations
> and the whitewalls lost the colour-keyed strip.  . No more unique colours.
> 
> For 1982 the Newport disappeared and the New Yorker was now based on the M
> body (FS), basically the 1981 LeBaron with a new grille and with taillights
> based on the Diplomat / Caravelle style.  The car also gained a more formal
> roofline with the addition of a roof extension and a smaller rear window.
> Which is why the 1982 New Yorker had a vinyl covering over the rear section
> of the roof and over the quarter windows on the rear door - to cover the
> joints bewteen the roof and the extensions.
> 
> The 1982 New Yorker Fifth Avenue Edition (A79 data tag code) had hood tape
> stripes, 'gills' on the front fender sides, and leather and vinyl seats in
> the loose-pillow style.   The New Yorker had the slant six as standard while
> the Fifth Avenue Edition came with the 318.
> 
> For 1983 the New Yorker used the new E body - a K car with a 3" longer rear
> door and a less severe tail end.  The Newport reappeared as the E Class
> while the New Yorker used a roof extension to give it a more formal roof
> line and smaller rear window.  The M body New Yorker Fifth Avenue Edition
> continued with little change, with a new grille frame and loose-pillow cloth
> seats were made standard as was the slant six engine.  Loose-pillow leather
> seats were now optional.
> 
> For 1984, the "New Yorker" nameplate on the trunk lid is replaced by "Fifth
> Avenue", there is a new rear lower trim panel applique and the slant six
> engine is gone. There were changes under the skin - new front suspension
> crossmember, new cowl side panels, new rear side rails, rear crossmember,
> rear floor pan, and floor pan extensions
> 
> One interesting note about the 1984 Chrysler M body is the mention of a
> Newport series, model FH.  It is listed in Chrysler's VIN decoders and in
> Chrysler Canada'a June 1983 fleet brochure,  introducing the 1984 models,
> there is a note next to the Fifth Avenue illustration announcing, "The
> Future Is Getting Better with the distinctive styling of the new Chrysler
> Newport (December 1983 introduction)."    A parts listing I have has the
> Newport with a different grille insert than the Fifth Avenue.  A Chrysler
> Canada corporate brochure of January 1984 makes no mention of the Newport.
> .
> 
> > From 1985 to 1989 changes are minimal - new bumper face bars - rear in 1986
> and front & rear in 1987, new belt moulding in 1986, new dash & cowl top
> panel in 1985, and revised wire spoke wheel covers in 1985 and 1987.  And
> the Newport is listed through 1989, as well.  Need to find out more about
> thus elusive M body Newport.  And, contrary to what some believe, the roof
> lines of the M body models were the same from 1981 through to the end  in
> 1989.
> 
> In Canada, the 1989 Fifth Avenue was included with all the other Chrysler
> models in the brochures, but the Caravelle Salon and Diplomat Salon (Canada
> never got the Diplomat SE) were rarely mentioned.
> 
> Although the Fifth Avenue may not have been in the league of the Imperial,
> especially the M body models, IMHO they were worthy successors to the New
> Yorker Brougham series.
> 
> Bill
> Vancouver, BC
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay King" <j_king@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:49 AM
> Subject: IML: New Yorkers & such
> 
> 
> Hi, list,
> 
> I've been following the discussion of New Yorkers/Fifth Avenues with
> interest, as I own two M-body Fifths ('85 and '87) and passed on a '77 New
> Yorker Brougham this summer because it was too close to the same color as my
> '73 LeBaron. If you're not interested in a historical discussion, move on to
> the next post.
> 
> If I recall correctly, the "New Yorker" nameplate had its genesis as an
> Imperial, a 1938 custom dubbed the "New York Special." The name kicked
> around, sometimes as a model, sometimes as a trim level, until being
> reunited with its Imperial roots for the '77 and '78 New Yorker Broughams.
> After those two years, Chrysler debuted a new "New Yorker," a slightly
> stretched M-body. The original Chrysler M-body was the unlamented Lebaron,
> the "little sedan with Imperial eagles." That New Yorker lasted until '82,
> when the name moved to a slightly squarer (more parts-bin compatibility with
> its Diplomat/Gran Fury siblings) New Yorker "Fifth Avenue Edition." "New
> Yorker" fell out of the name in '83, but all the M-bodies that are commonly
> called "Fifth Avenues" are identified as "Fifth Avenue Edition" (check the
> sail panel badge!) The M-body Fifth lasted until '89, and while they are
> certainly not Imperial, they are tough but luxurious little cars, and a sway
> bar from a police package Diplomat settles them down nicely and eliminates
> that "double bed at 55 mph" feeling. I am not qualified to comment on the
> FWD New Yorkers.
> 
> As you can no doubt tell, I happen to like the M-body Fifths (and Diplomats
> and Gran Furies.) Besides the two I own, I see probably half-a-dozen
> Fifths/Dips/GFs a day; not a bad in-service rate for a car that's been out
> of production for 17 years! I keep an eye on the classifieds with intentions
> of adding to my fleet. They are cheap, hard, and I can work on 'em. Again,
> the M-body Fifth Avenue was no Imperial, but it was the best Chrysler could
> build at a time when the company was very nearly in receivership.
> 
> There's a long ton of information on M-bodies at www.dippy.org should anyone
> wish to learn more. Bottom line: MOPAR or no car, and I'll take an
> extra-large, please.
> 
> Jay King
> Meridian, Mississippi
> <a href=mailto:j_king@xxxxxxxxx>j_king@xxxxxxxxx</a>
> 
> Honey Gold 1973 Imperial LeBaron 4DHT (Silent Bob)
> Silver 1985 Fifth Avenue Sedan (Baby Flattop)
> Nightwatch Blue 1987 Fifth Avenue (Blue Bomb)
> Hunter Green 1993 Dodge Caravan (Dodge Van Dam)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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