Re: IML: scams & ads
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Re: IML: scams & ads



Mark et al,

How about just ensuring that the e-mail address is altered to minimise machine readability - such as posting it as a GIF image or, more simply, just removing the @ symbol and replacing it with '_at_' which a user can easily edit?

These harvesting programs are pretty simple and simplistic and their users do not, I gather, have time to manually check for errors - the detection of an address is most likely through the use of a ready identifier such as 'mailto:' or '@'.

Thoughts?

Ian

On 20 Dec 2004, at 12:22, Mark Evans wrote:

Email address are publicly readable on the ads. But, we can certainly block e-mail addresses from the ads. Maybe only allow IML members to view them... However, you will also be limiting your audience. Of course, we'd want to add the same block to keep non-IML members from posting too (otherwise, how could a non-member view the ad they just posted?). So, you may not hear from someone where their grandfather died and left a pristine '61 Crown Coupe with 30K miles (that's what I keep looking for!).
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Arran is right; they are using scripts to harvest these addresses. But, I'll bet there's some human interaction to at least modify the script to grab the Subject line from the ad.
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If you feel strongly about this subject, let the webmonsters know at iml-webmonsters@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Adding the scripts to do this won't be a big deal. However, you can also consider selling your car or parts on E-Bay. You'll reach a larger audience but you'll be paying for the privilege.
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My vote is to leave it the way it is.
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Mark Evans
1963 Imperial Crown Convertible
http://www.imperialclub.org/~maevans/MyImperial/index.html
1968 Dodge Polara 500 Convertible
http://www.imperialclub.org/~maevans/MyPolara/index.html
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Mark;
?The trouble is that Ebay makes people register in order to ask questions and the like but , judging by what Jerry mentioned, they still send through their nuisance e-mails. I used to get?e-mail from these clowns asking to buy my car whenever I posted a parts ad. Now I just add a post script stating that the car?is not for sale, least of all to anyone sight unseen who has a poor command of the English language.?
?So far it has worked so I do believe that they are going through the ads manually and reading them, however many of the?more advaced spammers? use a harvesting program?to gather?e-mail addresses from other people's websites.?Maybe one of the webmonsters can?say for sure whether the ad pages are secure from this sort of thing but?I always worry about?those jerks plucking my e-mail address from there. ?For example when I post an ad I have to include a working email address such as monkeypuzzle1@xxxxxxx?which?the spammer's programing can recognize. If I spell it out as monkepuzzleoneatshawdotca;?a?human reading it can figure it out, a harvester can't, but the website won't accept it.
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Maybe you have something there. I'm against limiting who views the ads, but perhaps we could set up a system to register (for free) anyone who wants to reply to an ad???

This would mean masking or not putting your e-mail address in an ad, if you're selling. It could only be gotten from the administrator after the buyer gives his info???

Any opinions on this, technical or otherwise? Would it stop it? Maybe if they have to go through that extra step they won't bother (i really think a lot of these are computer generated and only copy in the heading on our ads-- nobody actually sits there and writes them--??)

Mark M

On Sunday, December 19, 2004, at 08:37 PM, Alex Ferch wrote:


Other groups seem to have a way of limiting access to parts of the site to members only. Perhaps this could be done? Granted it may negatively affect sales for those of you that would be limiting your exposure to IML members only. At least if a person was looking to scam somebody, they would have to at least go through the trouble of registering before having access to the postings. Well, it's not much of a thought, but it's all I've got. Alex 63 Crown

Mark McDonald wrote:

Dear Harold,

We all get them. It's irritating but I just ignore them. It is a public site, so anyone can view the ads and send these e-mails. I wish there was a way we could stop them, but I don't know how. Maybe if we all reply at least once to let them know we're onto the scam they'll give up (not likely).

Mark M

On Sunday, December 19, 2004, at 08:50 PM, Harold Peek wrote:

I would like to know why it is that every time I try to sell my Imperial on this site I get many e-mails from people who just want to rip me off. If they are not from the members of this site how do they get the info. In two years I have recived two checks from people who think I was born yeaterday. Is this a problem for anyone? Or is it just me? I would like some feed back. Thank you Pete.


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