Christopher Hoffman wrote: snip >It's to Engel's further credit that he could produce a completely different >design language in the fuselage cars (not just the '69 C-bodies but also >the >'71 B-bodies, the stunning '70 Challenger/Barracuda, and the swoopy >Duster/Demon variants of the crisp and boxy Valiant/Dart... and using the >same front clip!) that still looked like Chryslers. I wouldn't give Engel too much credit for the e-body 'cudas and Challengers or the '71 b-body. John Herlitz was primarily responsible for the '70 'cuda and '71 Roadrunner. Those are two of my favorite designs. I believe Engel's contribution was that he "oversaw" the designs and killed the fastback 'cuda. IIRC Milt Antonick helped on the 'cudas and Brownlee was responsible for the Challenger and probably the other Dodges. I think Herlitz was head of Plymouth through the Prowler and PT Cruiser until Daimler (boo hiss) retired him with the brand around 2000. I always wondered how much Engel had to do with the design of the fuselage Imperials, because the fuselage cars seem out of character for him. In my opinion his signature design is the Turbine car. Rob '70 'cuda '83 Imperial '03 GT Cruiser turbo _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/