RE: what year 440? RE: IML: AVS back in production

["Wm. R. Ulman" <twolaneblacktop@xxxxxxxxx>]

The numbers on the engine indicate HP, built in May '72, and the other
info I don't quite recall as it has been several months since we checked
this information out, but as I recall it was for the '74 model year, but
I have been wrong before. :)  If it is a '72 engine, it is still quite
decompressed from earlier 440's putting out 340-360 hp.  I would guess
by '72 is was only 250-275 hp.  The engine does have a higher lift cam,
the car does have dual exhaust.  The cam is fairly mild, and to smooth
it out some my buddy has raised the idle just a bit so it feels more
Imperial like, although I do like the slight "Pattatah, pattatah" sound
at slow idle!.  At a slower idle, the car is a bit lopey.  If you are
good with deciphering engine #'s I can get the info again, and send it
to you, or whomever it should go to for decoding.

Thanks everyone for your input on this small issue of mine, I love this
list, before I knew about it, I was at the mercy of just a couple people
who had Imperial knowledge, parts access, etc...
I had mechanically restored my '60 Crown Conv from the brakes,
transmission ($2,500 cast iron rebuild cost), EVERYTHING, kept my heels
in the ground about keeping it forever.  My mechanic found a carrier
bearing for a hardtop, and (shudder) cut & welded it to my conv carrier
bearing.  When that finally gave out, I was told that IF a conv bearing
could be found, it would cost me 1200 - 1500 dollars.  I cried uncle,
traded it for the '66 conv, and a load of cash in my pocket (fins do add
value!)  About a week later I found this list, and that I could have had
a conv carrier bearing for around 300.00, presented this info to my
parts guy, who would have bought it at the same place (Lowell Howe?) and
was told "He must have lowered his prices".  Oh well, live & learn, and
get a computer and cruise the Internet.  I have learned so much here,
which is helpful when you don't work on your own car, but can go to
someone, tell them what you need, present the parts, and or direct them
to the source, part #'s needed, etc... Labor costs, well, can't do
anything much about that, but find a really good trustworthy mechanic,
and that I have. Again, thanks everyone!

Have a good day,

Bill Ulman
Seattle, WA
'66 Crown Conv - Midnight Blue metallic/white pearl interior, excellent
original condition car


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Subject: what year 440? RE: IML: AVS back in production


I do not think there was such a thing as an HP 440 in 74.  Also, if the
engine 
is built in 72, how can it be a 74?

Anyway, you can identify if you have the earlier forged steel crank or
the 
later cast by observing the harmonic balancer.  If I recall, the
balancer for 
the cast cranks is much wider than the about 1" thick forged crank.

D^2

Quoting "Wm. R. Ulman" <twolaneblacktop@xxxxxxxxx>:

  Once
> again, it turns out that the engine in my '66 is a '74 HP 440, built 
> in May of '72 (God knows why), a '67 manifold, and the whacky '68 AVS.

> Which carb would be best, what CFM for daily driving, that gives the 
> most punch, and better than the 6 mpg I get now (8-10 on the open 
> road, woo, woo!)  Also, in the big picture, I want to rebuild this 
> decompressed, low hp, post 1970 engine to at least the proper spec's 
> of a '66 440 with the proper hp.  I know that at some point they 
> switched cranks, I don't know which would be in my engine, or which it

> should be when it is rebuilt.  I hope this all makes sense, and any 
> advise is truly appreciated.
> 
> I guess I could try to buy a '66-'70 Chrysler with a 440 in it and 
> verify it is the original engine, rebuild it and swap it into my Crown

> Convertible, than sell the Chrysler, but I hope I can rebuild mine to 
> it's true pre '71 glory hp days!
> 
> Thanks
> Bill Ulman
> '66 Crown Conv.
> Seattle, WA
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob P
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:26 AM
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: IML: AVS back in production
> 
> 
> Apparently Bill's problem is that his AVS has no adjustments. It's 
> factor set or something. I've never heard of this and I thought they 
> only did that
> with the later emission control carbs. Mid 70s-early 80s. I would
> assume
> 
> when they rebuilt it they could have restore the adjustability. That's

> why he wants a replacement.
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Elijah Scott <imperial1971@xxxxxxxxx>
> >--- "Wm. R. Ulman" <twolaneblacktop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > So, give a choice which would people on this list
> > > prefer?  I need to replace my AVS on my '66 Conv.
> >
> >I've had a good bit of experience with both the AFB
> >and the AVS.  Unless there's a catastrophic problem
> >with your AVS, a good choice would simply be to
> >rebuild it.  The rebuild kit is available from NAPA
> >for around $30.  I just did one a few weeks ago.
> >
> >The AFB is a little bit simpler, but there's no
> >overwhelming advantage of one over the other (unless
> >it's a matter of extreme performance tuning, which
> >really isn't an issue for the average Imperial).
> >
> >Elijah
> 
> 
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