I think you misintrepreted what I said. I didn't say it was right, or
justified, for a customer to lie to a dealer because they expect the dealer
to lie to them. I only offered that as one possible explanation of why a
customer might lie. Not condoning it in any way, just making the
observation.
I think we ought to let this drop at this point. It's getting kind of off
target. Sorry if I roused your ire.
Mark
Don Nonnweiler wrote:
> Two lies don't make a right but three do,is that what your saying??????
> Lying is never right no matter what!
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark McDonald" <tomswift@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:20 AM
> Subject: Re: IML: how classic dealers can get you: true stories
>
> > In defense of dealerships, even car salesmen gotta make a living. I see
> > nothing wrong with tacking on a profit for yourself, as long as it's
> > "reasonable." There is a risk and a cost of business associated with
> > buying & selling old cars. I agree that some dealers will jack a price
> > up ridiculously, but most of the ones I've dealt with will negotiate,
> > too. A lot of times they have ended up with the old car on their lot
> > because the individual who owned it tried and tried to sell the car, and
> > finally had to get rid of it because there were no takers. So, in a
> > sense, they've done everyone a service by taking it off the previous
> > owner's hands and bringing it to the attention of a larger circle of
> > buyers.
> >
> > On the other hand, I've heard plenty of horror stories, too. Like the
> > little old lady in Arizona who was told by the service dept. of a
> > dealership that her near-mint '68 Imperial "wasn't worth the cost of
> > fixing it." That dealer offered the woman $200 (if I remember
> > correctly) for her '68, and put her in a brand new car (which she really
> > didn't need). Then they turned around and put a $7000 price tag on the
> > Imperial. (I can verify all of this story, too!) OUCH!!!
> >
> > I think people lie on trade-in because they assume the dealer is going
> > to lie to them. The poor reputation car dealers have can't be blamed
> > solely on the customer. The car dealer holds some responsibility as
> > well.
> >
> > BUT-- I hope this doesn't turn into a big battle. I think you can get
> > an honest deal from a dealer, you just have to keep your eyes open.
> > (And private parties will lie about their cars, too, so it works both
> > ways.)
> >
> > Mark M
> >
> > Don Nonnweiler wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with Ron, there are a few bad apples out which makes the good
> > > dealers look bad and most want to have the reputation of being honest
> > > reputable, and reliable businesses in the hobby. I was in the
> > > business for about 27 years and while there were a few dealers that
> > > were bad, it usually didn't take long for the state to close them
> > > down. From my 27 years of experience the biggest deceivers of the
> > > truth were the customers that wanted to trade in there car. It always
> > > seemed to me that their mindset was that it was OK to screw the
> > > dealer. Well let me tell you its never good for either the customer
> > > or dealer to get screwed. But when it comes down to it no dealer can
> > > ever force you to buy the car your looking at and if you have any
> > > questions have your mechanic or bodyman look at the car as any
> > > reputable dealer will have no problem with this and if he does then
> > > walk away. I don't want to offend anyone but if I buy a car and its
> > > not up the car I thought it was its no ones fault but mine and only
> > > mine!Have a nice dayDon59 Crown55 C30049 NY 1st series40 Plymouth
> > > coupeplus 19 other mopars
> >
> >
> >
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