In a message dated 1/14/2003 9:43:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, peter.engel@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: << This is what the Budds look like. I took this shot of a bona-fide 10k mile 69 Imperial LeBaron that was for sale locally about 2 years ago: http://www.bos-engel.com/Imperial/budds.jpg >> Wow, I'm having a real memory crisis here! The caliper looks familiar, but the disc looks different than what I remember my 67s looked like! Any boxcar owners have their front wheels off lately? Roy 67 Crown FDHT