D^2, I own of one of these "hot rodded" 83s. :0 Don't be so quick to dismiss the crate engines 380hp. I am not sure of the net v. gross rating, (I couldn't find the test), but I know a kid who put one in a '69 Dart and was immediately in the 12s. Driver, with a 3.55 rear. It has CONSIDERABLY more powerful than other small blocks and as powerful as your '68, though you might have a small tourque advantage. The Magnum motor has the modern heads etc. and is more efficient than the old designs. My original plan was to put a crate in my car, but the 360 in there know is pretty strong, so I don't feel like the extra work. The main problem is the stock exhaust chokes everything back. I am looking into a new exhaust, but NYC emissions may be a problem. I hope to put a dual 2.5 w/x pipe and dual convertors, like a 5.0 mustang, but I have to pass the test every year. I don't mind the sniffer, it's the visual test that will give me a problem. That is where your '68 has the big advantage. Does anybody know the weight on these behemoths? I have heard the J-body 80s cars weigh from 4000 to 4500. If that is true what do the earlier even larger Imperials weigh? Rob _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com