Re: IML: Chrysler Newport Imperial packages??

[Christopher H <imperial67@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ah, I see now. This is a case of an eBay seller not knowing much about the
car he is selling, or hoping to get noticed when people search for other car
names by including "extra" ones in the auction title.

The '67 is the base Imperial Sedan model. Nothing Newport about it.
The '73 is a Chrysler Newport. Nothing Imperial about it!

What they have in common, beside their erroneous eBay titles, are that they
are both the bottom of the line in their brands. But the Sedan, to reiterate
a point made by someone in a previous post, is surprisingly well-optioned,
with things like power vent windows, Tilt-O-Scope steering wheel,
signal-seeking radio with foot-button control, rear-seat speaker and power
antenna. The mileage claim in the ad is dubious but possible.

Chris in LA



On 2/10/08 11:35 AM, mamrom@xxxxxxxxxxx at mamrom@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> 
> Chris, thanks for getting back to me. Here is two on ebay with the name
> Chrysler Newport Imperial:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-CHRYSLER-IMPERIAL-SUPER-CLEAN_W0QQitemZ290
> 203665029QQihZ019QQcategoryZ43905QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrysler-Newport-Imperial-1973-Chrysler-Newport
> _W0QQitemZ220199619508QQihZ012QQcategoryZ43906QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie
> wItem
> Let me know what you think.
> 
> 
>> From: Christopher H <imperial67@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 2008/02/10 Sun PM 12:13:06 CST
>> To: "IML (main)" <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: IML: Chrysler Newport Imperial packages??
> 
>> Anthony,
>> 
>> I'm not sure what model you are talking about.
>> 
>> The 1951-54 2-door hardtops would have been Chrysler Imperial Newports,
>> since:
>> 
>>  1) Chrysler was still the marque or brand (Imperial Division would
>>      not be created until 1955 model year).
>>  2) Imperial was the model line within the Chrysler Division lineup.
>>  3) Newport denoted the 2-door hardtop bodystyle for all Chrysler
>>      Division models that offered them.
>> 
>> The 1955 Imperial (now its own brand, no longer a Chrysler Division model)
>> still used "Newport" for the hardtop bodystyle. This would be changed to
>> Southampton for 1956. (Chrysler stayed with Newport.)
>> 
>> The Newport name went on to become the lowest-level model line in the
>> Chrysler Division starting in 1961 and lasting through 1978.
>> 
>> Chris in LA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/10/08 9:43 AM, mamrom@xxxxxxxxxxx at mamrom@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is one that I can't still figure out on this same Thread of discussing
>>> models. Why was a car called "Chrysler Newport Imperial" when a Chrysler
>>> Imperial was still in productions back in the 70's? -Anthony
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Christopher H <imperial67@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: 2008/02/10 Sun AM 09:55:16 CST
>>>> To: "IML (main)" <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: Re: IML: Ranking of models and packages
>>> 
>>>> With all due respect to Roger's enthusiasm for owning the top trim level of
>>>> Imperial, I feel some clarifications are needed in the interest of not
>>>> revising history.
>>>> 
>>>> The LeBaron name, like Fleetwood for Cadillac, has a grand history and
>>>> comes
>>>> from that of a coachbuilder from the earlier part of the century that was
>>>> purchased by (and ultimately dissolved into) Chrysler Corporation (as GM
>>>> did
>>>> with Fleetwood). The image of the name was deemed suitable for their finest
>>>> product, and the clever folks at Chrysler Corp marketing even went so far
>>>> as
>>>> to use the word "Coachwork" on the badges on the car. (Which I don't think
>>>> are real gold, are they???)
>>>> 
>>>> While dealers might not have ordered many LeBarons for the lot (as with any
>>>> top trim level), there was nothing to prevent them from doing so... and it
>>>> is entirely possible to buy a LeBaron that was not custom-ordered by your
>>>> royal self, the 1960s luxury car customer. But because many of these
>>>> customers were the type who would want exactly the car they desired, and
>>>> because dealers would be smart not to pay inventory costs on a few examples
>>>> of the most expensive car in their lineup on their lot, it was less common
>>>> to find one in stock. In fact, Chrysler-Plymouth-Imperial dealers did not
>>>> tend to "floorplan" many Imperials at all, for the reasons stated above and
>>>> because they didn't sell nearly in the numbers of the lower-priced models
>>>> they sold.
>>>> 
>>>> But it was also quite common for people to special-order their Crowns,
>>>> Customs and even their lowly Chrysler Newports and Plymouth Savoys, if the
>>>> dealer did not have what they wanted. People just did this back then.
>>>> 
>>>> Air conditioning was just ramping up in popularity in the early 1960s.
>>>> Consider that only 33% of 1958 Imperials had it, but 60% had it by 1962. It
>>>> is only logical that those individuals willing to pay for the highest trim
>>>> level (LeBaron) were also willing to pay for more luxury options, so even
>>>> beyond their elevated standard equipment, it is more common to find a
>>>> highly
>>>> optioned LeBaron than a loaded Custom.
>>>> 
>>>> Some prices to consider, all for 1961 4-door Southampton (hardtop) models:
>>>> - Custom, base MSRP: $5,111
>>>> - Crown, base MSRP: $5,649  <-- $538 jump from a Custom
>>>> - LeBaron, base MSRP: $6,428  <-- $779 jump from a Crown
>>>> - Air conditioning: $590.20  <-- About the same as the model jumps above
>>>> 
>>>> Roger's point is valid in that the LeBaron is the finest of the fine, so if
>>>> you want the top of the line, find a lovely LeBaron! (Though dear Roger,
>>>> why
>>>> do you keep making our Crowns and Customs sound like Valiants?) And it's
>>>> only logical to create the Ghia limousine, which actually is a coachbuilt
>>>> car, from the top trim level, so if you really want the best, find one of
>>>> the handful of Ghia limos built each year! But the truth is, you can't
>>>> order
>>>> a new one now anyway, so find the car "in stock" somewhere that speaks to
>>>> your heart and has the best combination of features, color and condition,
>>>> and you'll be off to a good start.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris in LA
>>>> 67 Crown
>>>> 78 NYB Salon
>>>> 63 Dart
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/9/08 8:18 PM, RODGER D. REDDISH at FltSgt@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hola David
>>>>>  
>>>>> The answer is in the history of the Le Baron name.  If the car is an
>>>>> Packard,
>>>>> or whatever brand name,  the value is upper by enough to see why.  The
>>>>> 1961
>>>>> owner of an new La Baron had to pay for the gold placed on the car, not so
>>>>> with the entry level Custom or the mid level Crown's ( find the gold  in
>>>>> the
>>>>> cars with an "L" or the "M" ).
>>>>>  
>>>>> In 1961 an want to be Imperial owner could drive over to the lot and have
>>>>> that
>>>>> Custom or Crown.  All Le Baron's were an special order only.  Find an Le
>>>>> Baron
>>>>> with out A/|C.  Then look at how many Custom's or Crown's that do not have
>>>>> the
>>>>> equiptment.
>>>>>  
>>>>> On an like note please look at the rear window of the 1961 Le Baron and
>>>>> compare it with Crown Imperial ( aka Lim-o ).  All Crown Imperial's ( the
>>>>> ones
>>>>> that were shipped from the plant to Ghia ) have the Le Baron package as an
>>>>> starting point.
>>>>>  
>>>>> There are some other points to look at, but I believe you are able to see
>>>>> the
>>>>> picture better now.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Rodger & Gabby
>>>>> COS
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: David  Randall <mailto:david.randall@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:28  AM
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Subject: IML: Ranking of models and  packages
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've searched on the site and elsewhere for this  info, and maybe I
>>>>>> missed
>>>>>> it, but I don't quite understand  the rakings  of models and/or packages
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the Imperial line. In the '61s for example,  where does a LeBaron sit vs.
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> Crown or Southampton?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> '78 NYB  coupe
>>>>>> 
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