Re: IML: Harmonic Balancer

[PAUL WENTINK <randalpark@xxxxxxx>]

I have only had one of these actually fail on a 413, and it made a lot 
of noise since it was rubbing against the timing chain cover part of 
the time. I doubt that it is causing this problem. You may want to 
check your timing chain by removing the distributor cap and watching 
the rotor as you move the engine by hand. See if there is a long delay 
between the movement of the crank shaft and the rotor. If not, you're 
in good shape. The timing gears were metal in the 1960 model, and not 
as prone to failure as those used in the 440. Old worn timing chains do 
stretch, so it should be checked.

Paul W.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob van der Es <r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 6:07 am
Subject: Re: IML: Harmonic Balancer


Hi Paul, 
 
Ok, back to square one:) 
I want to pull the harmonic balancer for two reasons: 
 
a) The timingmarks are changing all the time on the old one, that means 
that the rubber has detoriated over the years and that the outer ring 
slips... 
b) I want to replace the timingchain, I don't know how long the old one 
is in use (cause I don't know the maintainace history of the car), but 
I can hear that it is making noise (checked it with a stethoscope) 
 
Thanks, 
 
Robert 
----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL WENTINK" <randalpark@xxxxxxx> 
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:06 PM 
Subject: Re: IML: Harmonic Balancer 
 
Let's go back to square one. Why do you want to remove this? 
 
Paul W. 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Rob van der Es <r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:01 am 
Subject: Re: IML: 59 413 engine color 
 
You might have a point here Rob! 
Same thing crossed my mind, but I was more thinking of breaking the 
head of the crankshaft bolt.. 
Leaving the remaining piece of the bolt flush with the 
crankshaft....oughhhh!!! 
 
Any thoughts, anyone? How is risky is that starter motor trick 
actually?? 
 
Thanks, 
 
Robert 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Kidd" <rlkidd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:47 PM 
Subject: Re: IML: 59 413 engine color 
 
Sounds easy enough. BUT, what if the bolt was siezed in 
the crankshaft tighter than normal and you would shear a 
tooth on the starter or the ring gear since the engine 
would not normally turn over freely from a dead stop? 
Remember, 48+ year old "worn" parts you are dealing with. 
I'd try the impact route on the bolt if possible. Rob Kidd 
61/65 
 
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:35:32 -0600 
"Stevan Miner" <miner@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> Sounds a little scary to me but if you do it this way, I'd certainly 
>disconnect the coil wire to make absolutely no way the engine would 
>accidently start with the breaker bar in place. Stevan Miner Miner 
Auto >Service Winnebago, MN 
> -------------------------------------------------- >From: 
<mopar413@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:21 PM To: 
><mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Dave Wilker" 
> <wilkerbeast01@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: IML: 59 413 engine color 
> > Dave has the right idea. Just do like he says and make 
> sure the socket is 
> > on right. Workd every time. for me. ---- Dave Wilker >> 
<wilkerbeast01@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> > > I have a trick. I place the proper size socket on the 
> harmonic balancer 
> > > bolt, with appropriate extensions, and a good stout 
> breaker bar. I turn 
> > > the crank carefully until the breaker bar is resting on 
> the left frame 
> > > rail (driver's side). Once all the tools are firmly in 
> place, I bump the 
> > > starter. Just a bump. This breaks the bolt loose so you 
> can remove it 
> > > easily. Be careful when doing this. Make sure the 
> socket is all the way 
> > > on and there is no slack in the setup. David C. Wilker Jr. USAF >>> 
(RET) ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Rob van der Es To: >>> 
mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:22 AM 
>>> Subject: Re: IML: 59 413 engine color Hi David, And, btw, do you 
have a >>> good trick to remove that 
> bolt that keeps the 
> > > harmonic balancer on the crankshaft? I am in progress of replacing 
the >>> timing chain of my 
> engine, but are a 
> > > little afraid to start cause everyone told me that this bolt is 
very >>> hard to remove.. Especially with the engine in the car, 
ofcourse I 
> don't want to remove 
> > > the engine for a relative "simple" job like replacing 
> the timing chain!! 
> > >  
> > > Robert 
> >  
> >  
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