Re: IML: Valve Recession Unleaded Gas

[PAUL WENTINK <randalpark@xxxxxxx>]

This is probably right, but many of the Imperials we buy already have 
their first 100,000 miles on the original heads. At least that is the 
case with mine. The few low miles cars that I have still run pretty 
well and concern me the least in this respect. Trips up to mom's are on 
fast highway and at speeds of 75 to 80 mph for about 20 miles at a 
time.

My '65, for example, has well over 200,000 miles on it and really could 
use a valve job anyway. I guess my point is that until they are rebuilt 
for today's fuels, we (I) need to recognize the limitations and 
fragility of the vehicle due to miles and age. Once I am in a position 
to pull the heads and have them rebuilt, it won't matter as much, and I 
would rather do that while the cars are still running on all 8 
cylinders (just a preference). Having and keeping all the cars running 
at the same time is a big challenge for me. Having five them end up 
with burned valves over the course of six or seven months would be a 
catastrophe, at least right now, hence my concern.

I like the idea of running a quart of oil through the gas once in a 
while. I have found that it does improve performance.

Paul W.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Wilson <mopar413@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: IML: Thermostat issue 160 or 180


You would have to put a lot of miles on an engine in order to ruin the 
heads even if they still have the early valve seats. If you run a quart 
of ATf thu the gas tank once in awhile they old valve will last a long 
time. I had 69 super bee that I installed a 64 413 in it and ran it 
really hard. Never had any problem with the valves. 
----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL WENTINK" <randalpark@xxxxxxx> 
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:12 PM 
Subject: Re: IML: Thermostat issue 160 or 180 
 
None on my Imperials ping or spark knock, and they have the correct 
thermostat. They have been "de-tuned" to run on today's fuel, which 
will eventually ruin the engine. That is until I have the cylinder 
heads reconditioned to handle unleaded gas. In the meantime, I try to 
use them enough to keep the gas fresh, and not enough to burn up the 
valves over the weekend. 
 
Paul W. 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: spicemanii@xxxxxxx 
To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 1:41 pm 
Subject: IML: Thermostat issue 160 or 180 
 
This could be for anyone who has issues with deceiding which thermostat 
to use, in Imperials or any other vehicle. 
Fisrt, like kenyon said, Chrysler engineered what was best, but, at 
that time, gas was what I use in a term as better gas. Gasoline has 
been altered since these were built. The closed chamber design heads, 
for example, 58 thru 67, do not like the fuel we have to buy today. I 
have experimented for years here in the desert and the cure was an open 
chamber from 68 and newer. And, without going thru all the other issues 
involved here, since this is a thermostat talk, yes, after it opens, 
they all flow water about the same. 
But, with the pinging issue here when an engine is forced to run 
hotter, as a 180 will do, I have control sooner if it opens at 160 
there about, I have less of a chance for a pinging situation than 
waiting till it is 180 opening where I guarantee myself to ping. Their 
is a bad when running cooler. Less fuel mileage and you loose a bit of 
performance because the oil is thicker. Their is a perfect point for 
these all to meet. But, it will not happen with air conditioning, 
traffic, mountains, altitude, your foot, the weight of the vehicle, 
gear ratio and so many other things. 
So, I run a 160 because of the desert with way less humidity. 
When these cars were new, owners traveled thru the desert at night. 
My 61 Imperials all came with a 22 inch radiator. Not big enough for 
todays traffic and driving the desert all day or climbing a grade with 
these heavy cars and keeping the air on. Signs used to say, "Turn off 
air conditioners to prevent overheating" when pulling a desert 
grade. This is not the end of this, it has so many other facets, you 
would be bored. joe machado 
------------------------------------------------------------ 
Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! 
 
 
________________________________________________________________________ 

Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - 
http://mail.aol.com ;
 
----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- 
This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please 
reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be 
shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the 
Administrators should be sent to iml.webmonster@xxxxxxxxx 
To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm ;
 
----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- 
This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply 
to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with 
everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the 
Administrators should be sent to iml.webmonster@xxxxxxxxx 
To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm ;
 


________________________________________________________________________
Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - 
http://mail.aol.com

-----------------  http://www.imperialclub.com  -----------------
This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please
reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be
shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the
Administrators should be sent to iml.webmonster@xxxxxxxxx
To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm