Re: IML: wiring harness

["dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Aeyn....all I can say is "Wow...you are a braver man than I am!!" I am dreading having to rewire the engine or the dash about as much as I dread going to the Dentist (if you know what I mean). I think I would kill to be able to order a new engine+dash harness from Chrysler at this point!!!!! ...if I do have to go thru the 'rewiring' project I will DEFINITELY make use of your flared-copper-tubing-trace-maker tool...!!.....I think thats is a really great idea!! you should send it in to Hemmings or another magazine (maybe Street Rod or Hot Rod) that has subscribers who would actually be using a tool like that for their own vehicles wiring!!!! I owe you a cold beer for that one!!!
...severl members have said that the hardest part will probably gathering the correct connectors before doing the re-wire job. I found several sources on the Internet though I am really hoping I won't have to remove and rewire the Dash (or engine) and can find the cause of the 'gremlins' I have been dealing with lately......oh well, just a few more reasons and excuses to get dirty and invent new 'wrods' when working on the cars!!
take care! and thanks bunches!!!!
Dan Melnik


---- aeyn <mr85000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

=============
Dan,
   I removed AND replaced the metal superstructure of the dash in
my 69 with a 70/71 superstructure, when it was 2 years old. 
FORTUNATELY, the wiring dash harness was still available from
Chrysler and I ordered one with ALL of the OPTIONS on it and was
able to upgrade with original BRAND NEW Chrysler ordered parts
for the options which were needed to fullfil what I wanted.   (I
also ordered a new fully optioned engine wiring harness.  I did
need to give the built date of the car for that.)  PLEASE
NOTE!!!! BEWARE OF ERRORS in the wiring diagrams!!!!  In the 69
FSM there is an error at the headlight switch. The parking lights
(PINK?) wire and one of the multiple battery feed (RED) wires are
transposed.  When I first connected the harness I had constant
parking lights.  It was an easy fix to pop them out and clip them
into the proper holes.  Check with other owners if they have
found errors in the wiring diagrams and be VERY familiar with the
terminals on the devices versus the continuity of the assosciated
wiring.
   In regards to finding the proper wiring, you can find a
multitude of proper guaged and proper base coloured auto wiring
from many electonincs houses.  If you should need to add a
tracer, you can use a perm proper coloured felttip marker.  Use a
6 inch piece of 1/8 inch copper tubing with the ends slightly
flared out, as to not damage the insulation. Make a hole in the
center and half-way through it for the marker tip to be placed
in.  Staple or firmly clamp the tube to a flat surface (like a
1x2).  As you pull the wire through the tube with the marker in
place and you will have a proper coloured wire WITH the proper
coloured tracer.  The biggest problem you might find it locating
the wiring terminals.
   In many cars the wiring may have become dislodged and become
warn or frayed.  This happened to my 92 Grand Voyager.  I am
still looking for the problem with the A/C and backup light
curcuit - 2 years later.  So, IF you are going to the touble of
re-doing the dash wiring, ALSO remove the engine wiring harness
and CLOSELY check it over.  You may need to re-wrap it also.
   I do hope this helps.  As you can tell, I enjoy the electrical
/ electronics portions of our cars and have repaired many
associated. problems.

Æyn




--- "dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Paul!...I would normally agree with you on the probability
> of 'repairing' the harness before 'replacing' it. However, the
> electrical gremlins I have been having seem to come from
> someplace in the harness (according to the FSM wiring diagrams)
> between the inside firewall junction block and the
> Ammeter....Somewhere in that area there is a '3-way factory
> splice' someplace which does not seem to be obvious from
> looking at the harness (for a total of hours!). Also, since
> this is, after all, 40 year old wiring and I am hoping to keep
> the car till I can no longer drive, removing the dash/harness
> and trying to makeup a new one (or find someone who has already
> done this and can make on for me) is the only other alternative
> I can think of. I REALLY don't want to have to do this or even
> think about removing the dash. However..!!!....Having said
> that, several other IML members have been kind enough to send
> photos and their own 'dash removal' stories (as well as 'you
> can do it' good wishes) regarding their own experiences with
> dash removal and the wiring problems they found after taking
> the harness apart looking for their own electrical 'gremlins'.
> As I stated, I really don't want to have to remove either the
> Dash or the harness, but, if I continue to have ele. problems I
> figure that there is ONLY one way to do this...and that's the
> right way!!... meaning, remove the whole thing and put in a new
> harness; have the gauges all redone while the dash is out; have
> the radio completely restored; refinish the wood dash
> panels...and probably several other things that will have to be
> addressed at the time as well.
> ...Sorry for the long-winded answer but, as I said, I REALLY do
> not WANT to remove/replace the Dash/Harness but ..... "ya gotta
> do, what ya gotta do!"
> Thanks!
> Dan
> 
> 
> ---- randalpark@xxxxxxx wrote: 
> 
> =============
> Can you tell us why you think you need to make new wiring
> harness for 
> both of your cars? The wiring in '66 was quite good. Good
> enough that 
> anything needs to be repaired should be possible without total 
> replacement.
> 
> Paul W.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Bob Merritt <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 2:39 pm
> Subject: Re: IML: wiring harness
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Bob!..sure sounds like a heck of a problem if I wanted to
> make a 
> whole new
> harness.....you mentioned Greg Leggatt....would he possibly
> have the 
> material
> and diagrams needed to make up a new wiring harness for my 66 
> Imperials?..or are
> they very very expensive to have made up???
> Thanks for your email!
> Dan Melnik
> 
> 
> ---- Bob Merritt <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> =============
> You would be amazed at the number of changes in the wiring
> harness from 
> 64
> to 65 and from 65 to 66. I supplied patterns to Greg Leggatt
> who builds 
> new
> wiring harnesses (email:
> leggatt@xxxxxxx ) .
> 
> As Greg and I went through the original harnesses from 64, 65
> and 66, 
> it
> made no sense why Chrysler made some of the changes.......for
> instance, 
> in
> 64 the connections to the front turn signal lights use a female
> 
> connection,
> but in 65 they changed to a male connection.........
> 
> Then you add the complication of a different wiring harness for
> cars 
> with AC
> or with AC and AutoPilot or with 4 way flasher.  I didn't even
> mention 
> the
> signal sentry system (not used in 64). It can be a nightmare.
> 
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: IML: wiring harness
> 
> 
> > Hi All...question for the '1964-66' guru's.......I know that
> the 
> 64-65
> > Imperials used the 413 motor which changed to the 440 in
> '66....wold 
> a
> > engine compartment wiring harness for either one of these
> yeras 
> (64,65,66)
> > also fit the other years? ..or is the wirng for the 440
> completely
> > different for the '66???
> > Thanks all!
> > Dan Melnik
> >
> >
> 
> 
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