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Thanks David,
I am already looking for a shop that can do a front
wheel aligment on a 1960 Imp.
But those are hard to find, I can assure you
that!!
Oh well, maybe I have to learn to do it myself
:)
Thanks,
Robert
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and
Torsion Bar Adjustment
Robert
Don't forget to get the front
end geometry checked. I would take the specs to a
real front end shop and get the oldest guy
in there to do it.
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF
(RET)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007
2:26 PM
Subject: Re: IML: A-arm
Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment
>
Hello to all of you that helped me with the mysterous lowered 1960 Imperial
> !
>
> Today I was finally able to have a look at the
car, since it was dry after 2
> weeks of rain...
>
> After
the jacking the car up with the frontwheels from the ground and
>
securing the frame with axle stands, I closely examinend the lower front
> suspension arm and especially the bushing of the arm. Everything
looks great
> to me, then I had a look at the rear crossmember : you
know, where the
> torsionbar anchors are located.
>
> This
section was OK too, so I thought what the heck: lets try to turn those
> adjusters!
>
> I was warned by a couple members not to
strip the fine threads of the bolts
> and the swivels since they
normally are very dificult turn.
>
> Guess what ? They were
both quite easy to turn, ok I needed a large bar for
> my socket to
turn those adjuster bolts but was still able to turn them with
> one
hand only!
>
> I turned both of them 4 turns clockwise (turned
them 'in' so to speak), I
> lowered the car again to check my work and
surprise, surprise the front end
> was 2 inches higher now!
> I
decided that I was still lacking 2 inches of ground play in the front so I
> jacked up the car again and gave those adjusters another 4 turns
.
>
> And after 8 turns on both adjusters the car has now the
right front end ride
> height!
> I don't know why I had to adjust
the height so much, and don't know why the
> car has dropped in the
first place but I am very happy that the car could be
> adjusted to its
correct height so easy!
>
> I already made a test drive and the
car even handles better then before!
> Especially the straight line
stability is much better now the front is
> raised by 4 inches (
noticable from speeds of 55 mph and higher), and it
> looks a lot
better too :)
>
> All of you that have helped me with this isue:
a big thank you and lots of
> kudo's!!
>
> This is one
great List!!
>
> Have a nice weekend,
>
>
Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
<randalpark@xxxxxxx>
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:01
PM
> Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment
>
>
> My shop has been able to make the correct adjustments to all
of my
> Imperials without damaging any parts. This seems to have more to
do
> with the skill level of the shop than the age of the car. I
understand
> that there may not be many shops in Europe that are
familiar with a '60
> Imperial. Still, there must be shops that
specialize in front
> suspension work. A good shop would look over the
car, determine what
> parts were needed, and then give you a list. They
wouldn't take
> anything apart (a tie up their space) until you came
back with what was
> required. I think a good shop could study the
manual and figure out
> your car.
>
> Unless you are
inclined to want to do this yourself, I think it is
> worth looking for
a GOOD shop that is willing to work on your car.
>
> Paul
W.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob van
der Es <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:12 am
>
Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment
>
>
>
> Hmmm,
>
>
>
> That is indeed the
last option to choose from :)
>
> I will take care not to damage
anything I promise, but then this stuff
> is 47 years old...
>
> At least I hope these bolts don't break while turning them after
Lord
> knows how many years..
>
>
>
> Thanks
again and lots of kuddo's to all,
>
>
>
>
Rob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
From: Frederick Joslin
>
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:47
AM
>
> Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar
Adjustment
>
>
>
>
> Hi Robert:
>
>
>
> I was going to put this in the previous post but
chose not to.
>
> You can get new over sized bolts and drill and
tap the anchors to fit
> the new bolts.
>
> This is
probably the last option that you want to take, but it would
>
work.
>
> Also, if you go this way you can use metric stuff if
you want.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: "Rob van der Es"
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion
Bar Adjustment
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:49:46 +0200
>
>
> Thanks a lot Fred!,
>
>
>
> But what if I
strip the threads of the anchors then? I am not to
> worried about the
bolts you see, a good hardware dealer can supply
> those I am
sure.
>
>
>
> But are those T-bar anchors still
available?
>
> Does anyone have a source in case I need
them?
>
> Ofcourse I can ask Lowell or Bob, but if I prefer new
ones, are they
> still available ?
>
>
>
>
Thanks again,
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Frederick Joslin
>
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:27
PM
>
> Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar
Adjustment
>
>
>
>
> Robert:
>
> I believe that you can fully remove the adjuster bolts and then
replace
> them with no problem. I would apply penetrating oil and then
remove
> them from the car. It is easier to remove them than tighten
them if
> they are a littl fouled. Clean up the threads with solvent and
a wire
> brush and check the condition.
>
>
>
> When adjusting the height up count the number of turns it takes.
If
> both torsion bars are in about the same condition, it should take
close
> to the same number of turns for a level front end. You can
adjust the
> bolts with the front end off the ground and then lower it
to chech the
> ride height. I would suggest this since it put less
stress on the bolts
> (and on you).
>
> Note that you may
have some "worn out" threads especially from rust,
> but if they are in
a section of the bolt that you do not need to "bite"
> into for your
ride height that will not matter. What you have to do is
> get past that
section. This is not ideal, but if it is all you can
>
do........
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: "Rob van der Es"
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion
Bar Adjustment
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:34:35 +0200
>
>
> Hello again Joe,
>
> Thanks for your kind
suggestions!
>
> I will certainly take care not to strip
the
> fine threads of the adjuster bolts and the
>
anchors.
> I will clean them thoroughly and soak them for a while with
penetrating
> oil.
>
> I have had a long search for
replacement bolts
> and anchors but I haven't found any ..
> So I
hope that my adjusters are not stripped
> already , causing the low
front end!
>
> Ofcourse I will have a look at the front
lower
> suspension arms too while I am there, just to
> make sure
that the bushings are still there and
> in good condition.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Robert
> ----- Original Message
----- From: "Joe
> Strickland"
> To: "Imperial Mail List"
>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:42 PM
> Subject: IML: A-arm Bushings and
Torsion Bar Adjustment
>
>
>>
Rob;
>>
>> Before you begin adjusting your torsion
bars,
>> see if you can clean the threads of the
>>
adjusting bolts with some brake cleaner or
>> perhaps kerosene to get
as much dirt etc. off
>> of the threads as possible. Use of an
old
>> toothbrush or something similar might help.
>> Then
use a liberal application of penetrating
>> oil on the adjusting
bolts and levers and let
>> them soak for a day or so before trying
to
>> make the adjustments. You might want to
>> re-apply
the penetrating oil to the bolts
>> more than one time. It may be a
real problem
>> if you stripped threads on the bolts
and/or
>> the adjusting arm of the torsion bars. You
>>
might be able to find replacements, but there
>> could be a long time
to find replacements.
>>
>> Be sure to examine the A-arm
bushings for
>> missing chunks or completely gone
bushings.
>> As I mentioned before when these bushings
>>
disintegrate and fall out it allows the
>> associated metal parts of
the A-arms and
>> steering elements to shift position
enough
>> that the steering parts (especially the idler
>>
arm and the steering pitman arm) to shift
>> position and get in
quite a bind while
>> steering the car. You certainly don't
want
>> to wind up with a broken idler arm stud or
>> pitman
arm stud while driving down the road!
>> Complete loss of control
might result, with a
>> crash into another car or into a
pedestrian
>> or bicycle rider.
>>
>> Joe
S.
>>
>>
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