RE: IML: PCV systems and other California smog trivia; Was: correct carb for '67?

["Dick Benjamin" <dickb@xxxxxxxxx>]

Actually, in the cars I worked on, the usual complaint was that the engine
had to reach an overheat condition before the vacuum advance would start
working.  That cause the car to feel very sluggish just about all the time,
unless the drive was long or hard enough to get the thermal cutout to work,
but that was pretty far up the temperature scale!  In the case of my 39
DeSoto, the car would actually be boiling before the damn thing would cut
out, and it ran cool before that thing was installed.

Dick Benjamin

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[mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Lang
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Subject: RE: IML: PCV systems and other California smog trivia; Was: correct
carb for '67?


If I'm not mistaken the only thing accomplished by the NOX device was to
keep the ignition timing retarded until the engine reached normal operating
temperature.  The purpose was supposedly to force the engine to warm up
faster.

Ken



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[mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dick Benjamin
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Subject: IML: PCV systems and other California smog trivia; Was: correct
carb for '67?

The PCV valve was mandatory for CA cars starting in 61 (as I recall), but it
became a federal requirement a year later.  The purpose of that system is to
prevent crankcase fumes from escaping into the atmosphere via the "road
draft tube" that was on all cars until the PCV system.

The vent tube from the air cleaner to the oil fill cap is associated with
that system. (PCV stands for Positive Crankcase Ventilation.)

For many years after 1961, any car sold (of any year model!)in CA which did
not have a PCV system was required to have one installed - which involved
blocking off the road draft tube, punching a hole in the valve cover and in
the air cleaner, and installation of a PCV valve and tubing to affect a
closed crankcase system.  Thus there are very few air cleaners and valve
covers for any year car (prior to 1961) which have not been butchered in
that way to be found in California!   The PCV system actually does the car
and the environment a favor, though, and does not upset the engine tuning,
once the carburetor is readjusted to compensate for the extra air intake.

A similar draconian measure involved the mandatory retrofitting of a NOX
control device on all pre - EGR equipped cars in CA - right up into the 70s.
Thus you will find strange devices attached to the upper radiator hose and
distributor, and a little notice promising dire consequences for removal,
pasted to the core support on CA cars from that era.  This madness stopped
sometime in the late 80s.  I registered a 1939 DeSoto in about 1984, and had
to have all this stuff installed by a licensed smog station to get my
plates.  This little bugger made the car run like cr*p!  It was quickly
disconnected, of course.  

The CAP package, which was a Chrysler Corp. modification to the carburetor
and distributor advance system to reduce emissions, came in sometime in the
later 60s, again I think it was first in CA, and later on all cars sold in
the US.

Dick Benjamin


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[mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Pittinaro
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> The air cleaner covers and filters have different
> part numbers, but I don't
> know what is different about them. I wasn't even
> aware there was a
> difference until I just looked in the parts book! 
> There is a PCV connection
> to the snorkel, but I thought they all had that -
> but maybe I've never seen
> a non-CAP car; that wouldn't affect the filter
> element, I don't think.

I've had two '67 Imperials, niether of which had a PVC
connection to the air cleaner cover.  I think that
must have been a CAP thing...however, every '68
snorkel I have seen had the little elbow jutting out
of the cover, so maybe it was a matter of it being
introduced in Calif and spreading nationwide a year
later (I think '68 was the first year for nationwide
emissions, though I could be mistaken)  One of my '67s
was an east coast car and the other (currently still
have it) is a TX car.  

--Mike Pittinaro

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