Wow, Pete; Ouch! Yes, those are cooked all right. Mine were bad, but not THAT bad! That looks a lot like the heads on my 413 out of the 64 New Yorker - with 165,000 on it. That's the amazing thing about burned exhaust valves - the cars actually run very well, and only by listening to the exhaust note are you even aware that all is not right under there. There is a definite chuff-chuff from the tailpipe with valves like this, but the 440 still pulls like a train, even in that condition. Dick Benjamin By the way, now I think I know what happened to my Snap-on 3/8 flex handle ratchet. You must have pocketed it when you were here! (If you don't have one, get one - they are outrageously expensive, but what a tool for tight places!) -----Original Message----- From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pete Engel Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:02 AM To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: IML: Dick B's valves Dick, I was able to sneak into your garage and snap a few pics of the Imperial heads right after you pulled them. In this shot you can clearly see the "hot" valves at each end of the head. http://bos-engel.com/66newyorker/headsoff/2hotvalves.jpg On closer inspection it's obvious that one of the valves is pretty badly burned. http://bos-engel.com/66newyorker/headsoff/burntvalve.jpg ;-) Actually, I suspect that Dick's Imperial heads looked an awful lot like the heads I recently pulled off my 66 New Yorker 440. I bought the car this past Spring and it took some head scratching to get it running. It turned out that it had 5 stuck intake valves and 5 bent pushrods. Ouch. Once I remedied that little problem and got it running it sounded pretty darn good but there was obviously still a problem. A very impressive backfire caused the muffler to instantly change shape: http://bos-engel.com/66newyorker/p7090005.jpg Hmmm, I wonder if there's a bad exhaust valve? With 97k on the clock it seemed prudent to just pull the heads and have them reworked. The machine shop did a hard sell on hardened exhaust seats so I decided to do it (for the first time ever). Installing the seats cost $200. The whole cylinder head rework cost just over a grand, pretty much insuring that I will never break even on this car. I got 8 new exhaust valves, 16 new guide inserts, glass-beading, 3-angle valve job, and surface heads 0.010" I have yet to find the time to put the 440 back together :-( Pete in PA Busy with a 6 month old baby ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm