I am tootally dumb about doing this Norm 1-19-05 --- List Server <mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This is the digest version of the Imperial Mailing > List. To receive messages individually, send an > email to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with the > following in the body of your message: > > set mode standard mailing-list > > To unsubscribe entirely, visit: > http://imperialclub.com/IML-Specific/unsubscribe.htm > > If you have been switched to digest mode without > your consent and you want to know why, visit: > http://imperialclub.com/IML-Specific/autodigest.htm > > > | > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE > SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > | > | > > From: "jsadowski" <jsadowski@xxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: IML: Please help me start my 440! > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:26:08 -0700 > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > The plug gap is the same .035 on all from around 59 > through at least the > late 70's. They all use Autolite #85 plugs. > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Whitney" <david.whitney@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:21 PM > Subject: RE: IML: Please help me start my 440! > > > > > > > I concur with previous posters that getting the > distributor 180 degrees out > of phase is not hard to do. > > BUT if you were achieving combustion, I would think > you would experience > backfire through the carburetor if that were the > case because the cylinders > would neither be firing in the proper sequence nor > have the proper > combination of open and closed valves. It does not > sound to me like > combustion is happening. Is manifold vacuum > sufficient to pull atomized > air/fuel through the throttle plates? What comes > out of the tailpipe when > you crank it over? If there's no soot in the > exhaust, nothing is burning. > > 413s are not that different than 440s. Improper > spark plugs may affect > performance, and I think the gap is different from > '65 to '72, but should > not result in no start. To be sure, I'd spend a few > bucks for the > specified plugs and set the gap to spec. You say > spark plugs are firing -- > did you observe spark at the electrode or from the > wire to the plug with > the plug installed? > > I recommend hand cranking per Robin's suggestion to > get oil pressure up > before trying to turn the engine over with the key. > Lubrication of > cylinder walls is a good idea to prevent premature > wear on first startup, > plus it helps give the proper seal to achieve > compression. > > There are a few other things in the Mopar books > about first starting up, > but I don't have them with me right now. > > Persevere, > > David > > > > "Dick Benjamin" > <dickb@xxxxxxxxx> > To: > <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent by: > cc: > mailing-list-owner@imper > Subject: RE: IML: > Please help me start my 440! > ialclub.com > > > 01/18/2005 08:26 PM > Please respond to > mailing-list > > > > > > > 1. Remove #1 spark plug, and install a compression > test gauge. > 2. Crank the engine until you just begin to see > pressure building up. > 3. Remove the distributor cap and see what plug > wire the rotor is pointed > at. If it is pointed at #1, your distributor is in > correctly. If it is > pointed at #6, your distributor is 180 degrees out > of time. > > These are 4 stroke engines. This means the crank > goes around twice for > each > time the cam rotates - thus you have a 50/50 chance > of getting the > distributor in backwards, unless you checked for > this when assembling the > engine. > > Dick Benjamin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of > commenace@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:31 AM > To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: IML: Please help me start my 440! > > I just dropped a freshly rebuilt 440 and trans, as > well as a newly rebuilt > gear box, et al, in my 1965 Imperial Le Baron. (I > know 413 is proper, but > I > wanted a little more, so please no comments on my > choice of engine.) > > On Saturday, we buttoned everything up and tried > sparking her > up. Nothing. The engine cranks, rather slowly, but > never starts. Went out > and got a new > battery, engine cranked a little faster, but still > no start. Timing is > spot > on. No. 1 has compression when it's supposed to, > sparkplugs are firing, > fuel pump is giving us gas. > > What's going on? > > A few things concern me: first, the engine seems to > crank slower than I > remember, and second it feels as if the timing is > off or the plugs aren't > getting power, or if they are, it seems the spark is > a little weak. I > bought a new battery and starter, but as yet have > not installed the new > starter. The timing has been checked more times than > I can remember! It > is > right, I'm sure of it! Is it possible that the > spark is too weak? How can > that be rectified? > > The battery cables seemed a bit thin, about 6 or 8 > gauge. I will be buying > some fat cables this week and trying that on > Saturday. What about ground > strapping the block? Anyone try that? Does it make > a difference? > > My new engine was made in '72. I believe the heads > the heads are from mid > seventies. However, the plugs are the same type I > was using on my '65 > 413. Is it possible that these plugs are too > shallow, not getting close > enough > to the air/fuel mixture? Does that make any sense? > Does === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. 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