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imopar380
Posted 2023-12-23 10:19 PM (#633151)
Subject: Ethanol blended gas in Canada



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I don't normally get political but the Canadian Federal government quietly mandated that all octanes of gasoline at the pumps must have an ethanol blend by the end of 2023. I found this out near the end of September and by mid October there was NO pure ethanol-free gas left in the province of BC where I live, and now I am assuming there is none left anywhere in Canada since we're a week away from the end of 2023.

If you are a Canadian member of this forum please consider singing this authorized Federal Petition I built over the last 10 days or so regarding bringing back Ethanol-Free Gasoline to the pumps in Canada.
It is only open to Canadians or residents of Canada.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-4...


Edited by imopar380 2023-12-23 10:20 PM
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56D500boy
Posted 2023-12-23 10:54 PM (#633153 - in reply to #633151)
Subject: RE: Ethanol blended gas in Canada



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What about Chevron 94? It was on a separate pump hose and stated that it was ethanol free. I haven't bought any lately so I will have to check next time
I am filling my wife's Hyundai with 87 crapola.

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1960fury
Posted 2023-12-24 12:32 AM (#633154 - in reply to #633151)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gas in Canada



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What percentage? The German Super (premium) gasoline has about 2-5% in it. No gasoline without it for ages. Works for me without problems, I do believe since the 90s. From what I heard it even improves performance.
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imopar380
Posted 2023-12-24 1:09 AM (#633156 - in reply to #633153)
Subject: RE: Ethanol blended gas in Canada



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56D500boy - 2023-12-23 7:54 PM

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What about Chevron 94? It was on a separate pump hose and stated that it was ethanol free. I haven't bought any lately so I will have to check next time
I am filling my wife's Hyundai with 87 crapola.

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There is NO MORE Ethanol free pure gas in BC. Check the Chevron pumps. They haven't had any pure 94 Octane since early October. Chris and I found out about this in mid September.
It's gone man. I was buying 91 Octane from Co-op for years - they converted over to all ethanol by October 10th in BC. A Phone call to both Chevron head office in Calgary and to the Co-op Head office in Victoria confirmed the Feds had mandated it to be completely changed over by the end of this year. It's done. The slipped this under the radar without informing the public at large. No official announcement.
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imopar380
Posted 2023-12-24 1:14 AM (#633157 - in reply to #633154)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gas in Canada



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1960fury - 2023-12-23 9:32 PM

What percentage? The German Super (premium) gasoline has about 2-5% in it. No gasoline without it for ages. Works for me without problems, I do believe since the 90s. From what I heard it even improves performance.


If we could get it down to 2 to 5% here we might be OK, but it's up to 10% and the govt wants it to be 15% by 2030 here in Canada. It can cause a lot of issues with older fuel systems. When left sitting in a tank for months without driving the car, it undergoes phase separation, - the ethanol absorbs water from air in the top of the tank, then the ethanol-water mix sinks to the bottom of the tank. It's not a myth.

https://www.gasdevs.com/blog/phase-separation-in-ethanol-gasoline-th...

https://petroclear.com/resources/dont-be-phased.php
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Old Ray
Posted 2023-12-24 9:18 AM (#633159 - in reply to #633151)
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Ian, do you know if this is also applicable to boat (purple) gas that is dyed/marked premium with no road tax.
Most boats, tractors, or RV's will also sit for a part of the year.
This is like when the lead free chemicals plugged up a lot of two cycle chain saws and lawn mowers without fuel stabilizer
Thanks.
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w.weiland
Posted 2023-12-24 8:46 PM (#633162 - in reply to #633151)
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All part of the control agenda the one that is the biggest falsehood out there

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wizard
Posted 2023-12-25 10:09 AM (#633164 - in reply to #633151)
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In Sweden we have 10% in the 95-octane fuel and 5% in the 98-octane fuel.
There's a lot of rumours going around that there are many fuel-related problems, but really, I had no problems at all with the ethanol mixture.

I have changed all the fuel hoses to a new type of rubber that withstands all new fuel.
I had to adjust the timing slightly.
The fuel will evaporate very fast in the carburator when the car is parked with engine in operative temperature.

That's it.

I store the fuel in the tank over the winter and the consumption is the same with the "stale fuel" when I start the car in the spring.

The consumption is 1,6 liter per 10 kilometer (14,7 miles/gallon), statistic kept since 2008.

This is average consumption, including cruising, city, country roads and highway, always above speed limits on highways.

Mind that the engine has not been renovated, only timing chain exchanged. Milage is 300000km, 186411 miles

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imopar380
Posted 2023-12-25 12:44 PM (#633166 - in reply to #633159)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gas in Canada



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Old Ray - 2023-12-24 6:18 AM

Ian, do you know if this is also applicable to boat (purple) gas that is dyed/marked premium with no road tax.
Most boats, tractors, or RV's will also sit for a part of the year.
This is like when the lead free chemicals plugged up a lot of two cycle chain saws and lawn mowers without fuel stabilizer
Thanks.


Yes, all of the gas here, purple gas. marine fuel all has ethanol blend now.
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imopar380
Posted 2023-12-25 12:48 PM (#633167 - in reply to #633164)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gas in Canada



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wizard - 2023-12-25 7:09 AM

In Sweden we have 10% in the 95-octane fuel and 5% in the 98-octane fuel.
There's a lot of rumours going around that there are many fuel-related problems, but really, I had no problems at all with the ethanol mixture.

I have changed all the fuel hoses to a new type of rubber that withstands all new fuel.
I had to adjust the timing slightly.
The fuel will evaporate very fast in the carburator when the car is parked with engine in operative temperature.

That's it.

I store the fuel in the tank over the winter and the consumption is the same with the "stale fuel" when I start the car in the spring.

The consumption is 1,6 liter per 10 kilometer (14,7 miles/gallon), statistic kept since 2008.

This is average consumption, including cruising, city, country roads and highway, always above speed limits on highways.



Mind that the engine has not been renovated, only timing chain exchanged. Milage is 300000km, 186411 miles



Sven, thanks for the input. Time will tell here probably by next Spring what issues may come to the surface with the Ethanol blend gas. I'm glad to know it hasn't affected yours in a negative way. Changing the rubber hoses makes sense.

The highest Octane we have in Canada is Chevron 94 Octane. I've been using 91 Octane ethanol free, for years, until now, as my tank now has 93 Octane ethanol blend from Shell. I also put some stablizer in the tank, Startron.




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I GOT FINS
Posted 2023-12-25 1:35 PM (#633169 - in reply to #633151)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gas in Canada



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I surely hope that they are not planning on reducing the alcohol content of " Black Velvet " Canada blend whiskey." to use in your gasoline.
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1960fury
Posted 2023-12-25 10:15 PM (#633171 - in reply to #633164)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gas in Canada



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wizard - 2023-12-25 10:09 AM

In Sweden we have 10% in the 95-octane fuel and 5% in the 98-octane fuel.
There's a lot of rumours going around that there are many fuel-related problems, but really, I had no problems at all with the ethanol mixture.

I have changed all the fuel hoses to a new type of rubber that withstands all new fuel.
I had to adjust the timing slightly.
The fuel will evaporate very fast in the carburator when the car is parked with engine in operative temperature.

That's it.

I store the fuel in the tank over the winter and the consumption is the same with the "stale fuel" when I start the car in the spring.

The consumption is 1,6 liter per 10 kilometer (14,7 miles/gallon), statistic kept since 2008.

This is average consumption, including cruising, city, country roads and highway, always above speed limits on highways.

Mind that the engine has not been renovated, only timing chain exchanged. Milage is 300000km, 186411 miles




Sounds great, Sven. Surely our cars will outlive us, at least yours.

I think we have the same type of gasoline here. 5% and 10% Ethanol.
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Sonoramic60
Posted 2023-12-27 12:59 PM (#633181 - in reply to #633151)
Subject: RE: Ethanol blended gas in Canada


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In Colorado, our base octane level is 85, with the mid rated at 87, and premium at 91 and all have 10% ethanol. I run 85 stuff in my "everyday" vehicles, but after a start of using it in my "good" cars, I started having problems with fuel lines and the injection pump on my '65 F.I. Corvette. At that point, I started adding five gallons of 110 octane leaded racing fuel to each when filling up (rarely when below a quarter tank). All four have had their valve seats hardened (normal production for the 392 of the C), but the octane boost of the racing fuel really is evident in the 10:1 CR of the Sonoramic, the 10.3:1 of the 426S in the '65 SF, and 11:1 in the Vette. Since the 110 is supposed to be for off road use only and thus no road taxes, it cannot be pumped directly into a car which means hauling it in jerry cans from the station. With just the sales tax (@5% and NO road tax, the 110 still is pricey, $8.999 per gal, but I think it's worth it.
You guys north of the border should appreciate this. Back in 1966, my new wife and I drove from here in Colorado to Quebec on our honeymoon. While in Canada, I had to pay 0.39 a gallon for premium (I had the twin to my current '65 SF) and thought it was nothing less than atrocious price gouging since the same gas went for around $0.35 here in the states. This idiot didn't realize you used the Imperial gallon, plus at the exchange rate then, for $1.00 American, I got $1.10 Canadian. Typical Yankee tourister who didn't realize a bargain right before his eyes.
Joe Godec
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local2Ed
Posted 2023-12-27 1:34 PM (#633182 - in reply to #633181)
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I've used ethanol blend (E-10) for I don't know how many miles or years and one time I had either phase separation or got a bad load of gas with water.
Had to drain the gas, verified separation in a glass jar.
All fuel lines, carb kits and fuel pump kits are ethanol compliant.
Ran this same fuel in my oldest vehicle which at the time was a 1938.

Much to do over nothing.
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AceS
Posted 2024-01-08 12:53 PM (#633334 - in reply to #633182)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gas in Canada



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The impacts of ethanol vary depending on how often a fuel system is idled and the climate specific to your area. Of course the reason you did not hear of the change is because the powers that be don't care about the classic car owner. They have other agendas. The same thing happened when they removed all of the additives from oil that protected flat tap cams.

Here, we still have selected distribution of non-ethanol fuel, and I think it's because people have spoken up. So, fight a good fight!
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Crusader
Posted 2024-02-22 1:41 PM (#633846 - in reply to #633151)
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Ethanol is definitely poison to our cars. A poison forced down our throats by bureaucrats. Ethanol will start to decompose after only 60 days (many years compared to gasoline), starting to leave residue in the jets of your carburetor. In my home generator, it took only one year of sitting to clog the carb completely. That white-green powder was everywhere... Now I need to "starve" the carb when shutting off the generator or snowblower by closing the gas feed and letting the engine shut by starvation. It's the only way to ensure the carb is emptied of any ethanol before sitting.
Ethanol is apparently pushed for environmental reasons... In reality it is the opposite as Ethanol crop is consuming so much more fertilizer, pesticides and water than comparable sized food crop. Unfortunately, the Ethanol lobby is a several billions $ industry and cannot be slowed down.
Up here in Canada we used to have several Ethanol-free options but they just terminated them all. Next summer will be the first time my fleet of antique cars will drink the poison What a shame...

Edited by Crusader 2024-02-22 1:43 PM
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