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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | Hi everyone,
I already tried to install a modern starter on my '58 Plymouth (one bought off eBay), but it did not fit at all.
First I had to manufacture a new, thinner plate to have a correct engagement of the starter gear.
And then, after a parking maneuver, I realized that the steering link came in interference with the starter and de-axed it.
Do you know a modern starter that'll fit without any headache ?
I looked at the IMI catalog, but it's not clear ...
Thank you.
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Location: So. Cal | IMI very likely has one. Their catalog is crap. You have to call them to get the correct part number and to order it. Their big block starters require modifications to the end plate to get them to fit against the casting. I haven't tried one with a poly engine. You can try emailing them and see what they say. Sales@hitorque.com |
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http://www.hitorque.com/v/vspfiles/IMI%20Performacne%20Catalog.PDF
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Location: Connecticut | You're wasting your time and money. Why jury-rig when you can use an original that you know will work ? Ron |
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | Powerflite - 2023-06-17 1:24 PM
IMI very likely has one. Their catalog is crap. You have to call them to get the correct part number and to order it. Their big block starters require modifications to the end plate to get them to fit against the casting. I haven't tried one with a poly engine. You can try emailing them and see what they say. Sales@hitorque.com
Thanks, I will contact them.
ronbo97 - 2023-06-18 5:15 AM
You're wasting your time and money. Why jury-rig when you can use an original that you know will work ?
Well that's the problem : my original does not work anymore.
To start with, the car came with a L6 starter instead of the V8 one.
The starter has always been quite slow and inefficient, and I thought it was related to the fact that it was a L6 one.
Then, a few weeks ago, it went slower and slower until it did not start the car anymore.
I disassembled it and found it was in a poor state (several grounding problems, one brush to replace ...).
I have ordered NORS parts to restore it (and change it to 4 coils, so it will be a V8 starter now), but in the meantime, I want to experiment with modern starters.
Those hi torque mini-starter are very efficient and start the car after just a few cranks.
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | Taken from 318,com: Starter Categories
Since my starter discussion applies to almost all 1956 – 2003 Mopar engines, I start by saying that the information in this article applies to 1956 – 1961 A, B, and RB blocks and 1962 – 2003 A, LA, B, RB, Slant 6, and Magnum engines. The starters fall into five categories to choose from depending on the engine year, clearance restrictions, and amount of motor torque required: 1956 – 1961 A/B/RB factory, 1962 – 1987 factory, 1988 – 2003 Magnum factory, A/LA/B/RB aftermarket high-torque, and Magnum high-torque.
1956 – 1961 A , B, and RB Factory Starter
Unfortunately, early automatic and standard transmission A-block owners are very limited with starters sold off the shelf. Most 1956 – 1961 A, B, and RB automatic transmission factory starters interchange with the 1956 – 1961 A-block. Part numbers include but are not limited to Autolite 1779955, 1842562, 1889260, and 1889295 (Figure 1). A-blocks with standard transmissions from 1956 – 1964 used the same starter, Autolite 1889200. Both the automatic and standard starter are long and bulky, do not incorporate the solenoid, and cannot be substituted for a 1962+ automatic starter motor. Both the automatic and standard starters are largely unavailable through parts stores–unless you find a very dusty one hidden in a corner–and are getting harder and expensive to source through specialty suppliers due to the lack of cores. Keep cores to have them rebuilt.
https://poly318.com/poly-318-la-b-rb-slant-6-mopar-starter-motors/
Figure 1: 1956 – 1961 Automatic, 1956 – 1964 Standard Starter Motor
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Location: Connecticut | Chrome58 - 2023-06-18 5:05 AM Well that's the problem : my original does not work anymore. To start with, the car came with a L6 starter instead of the V8 one. The starter has always been quite slow and inefficient, and I thought it was related to the fact that it was a L6 one. So you used the wrong starter to begin with. You're lucky that you didn't break a tooth on the ring gear. Instead of wasting your time rebuilding the wrong starter or buying junk from the auto parts store, why don't you look for the correct starter ? Ebay, Big M Auto, Fury Jim Rawa are some likely sources. Stop going down the wrong road. Ron
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Location: So. Cal | If Ron didn't advocate using a stock part, we'd have to head to CT to see what was wrong with him. An alien body swap would be the most likely cause. So we can all sigh in relief that the body snatchers haven't arrived here yet. But there is some wisdom there. The older starters are more repairable than the new ones, and more likely to last longer. Performance wise, the new one is definitely better. |
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Location: Connecticut | Powerflite - 2023-06-18 7:47 PM If Ron didn't advocate using a stock part, we'd have to head to CT to see what was wrong with him. Yeah, I prefer the smart way of doing things. Others would jury-rig aftermarket parts, then wonder why they now have a whole bunch of other problems to deal with to get the aftermarket junk to work properly. Shimming the starter ? New alternator either not charging, or overcharging the battery ? Changing or adjusting the voltage regulator ? Other assorted gremlins... Ron |
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | ronbo97 - 2023-06-18 6:48 PM
So you used the wrong starter to begin with.
You're lucky that you didn't break a tooth on the ring gear.
I did not choose to use this starter. It came with the car.
As a reminder, I'm in Europe, and shipping a OEM starter here would cost an arm and a leg, as those bas***ds are weighting a ton.
I don't understand why you said I could've break a tooth on the ring gear: it's exactly the same Bendix drive for all starters.
The only difference is in the coils (3 for L6, 4 for V8), and some small hardware.
ronbo97 - 2023-06-18 6:48 PM
Instead of wasting your time rebuilding the wrong starter or buying junk from the auto parts store, why don't you look for the correct starter ?
Ebay, Big M Auto, Fury Jim Rawa are some likely sources. Stop going down the wrong road.
Respectfully, Ron, I think I know what I'm doing.
Once again: shipping a OEM starter to Europe will cost me 3 or 4 times the cost of the starter itself.
Edited by Chrome58 2023-06-19 5:03 AM
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Is there a modern starter that fits a '58 Plymouth ?
