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1960ny
Posted 2023-03-15 7:02 AM (#628264)
Subject: 1958 Dodge Custom Royal



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Location: Sweden		A friend of mine has a 1958 Dodge Custom Royal convertible, He recently got the build card from Chrysler historical and would
like some help to decode the information on the card. It was sold in Knaggs motor company in Woodland, Ca

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1960ny
Posted 2023-03-15 7:13 AM (#628265 - in reply to #628264)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge Custom Royal



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56D500boy
Posted 2023-03-15 11:07 AM (#628268 - in reply to #628265)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge Custom Royal



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frwl
Posted 2023-03-15 12:20 PM (#628269 - in reply to #628264)
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WOW!!!

She is beautiful...




DECODING THE DATA PLATE:

Middle row:

293 – Order Code 293 – Torqueflite Transmission
323 – Order Code 303 – Power Seat 6-Way
334 – Order Code 304 – Power Windows
362 – Order Code 312 – Radio Group including:

Heater and Defroster
Back Up Lights
Outside Left Mirror
Inside Glare Proof Mirror
Music Master Radio

373 – Order Code 313 – Convenience Group including:

Air Foam Seat Cushion – Rear
Map Light
Hand Brake Warning Light
Luggage Compartment Light
Glove Box Light
Inside Visor Vanity Mirror
Windshield Washer
Variable Speed Windshield Wipers

406 – Order Code 316 – Safety Group including:

Power Steering
Power Brakes
Padded Instrument Panel
Padded Sun Visors

417 – Order Codes 317 – Bumper Appearance Group including:

Front and Rear Bumper Guards
Rear License Plate Insert

422 – Order Code 322 – White Convertible Top Color
487 – Order Code 467 – Solex Tinted Glass at all Windows and Shade Windshield
524 – Order Code 374 – V8 361CID 2/4BBL 320HP SUPER D-500 Engine!!!
605 – Order Code 625 – Delivered by Truck

Lower row:

SCHEDULE A 1024 19028 – Scheduled on October 24, 1957 (1024); probably 28th car built that day (19028)
BDY 365 – Dodge (3), Custom Royal (6), Lancer Convertible (5)
PNT 3CXC – Fins and Lower Color is Eggshell (White); Sapphire (Blue) in Upper Color – above side molding
TRM 270 – Blue Vinyl and Blue Gotham Plaid Fabric

ORIGINALLY BLUE OVER WHITE!!!

The codes which are not stamp on the data plate:
DEALER CODE 55074 – no info
TRACER NO. 7 – no info
403 – Right Outside Mirror
471 – Two Tone Deluxe Steering Wheel
481 – Rear Quarter Stone Shields
511 – Standard Stainless Wheel Covers (512 would be Deluxe “Spinner”)
TIRES 13 – White Side Wall Rayon 8.00 x 14 Tires 4 Ply
552 – Rear Axle Ratio 3.15 to 1
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frwl
Posted 2023-03-15 12:27 PM (#628270 - in reply to #628264)
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Detailed comparison (Thanks to Dave for the better pictures):



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frwl
Posted 2023-03-15 12:34 PM (#628271 - in reply to #628264)
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The interior code 270 should be like this:



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frwl
Posted 2023-03-15 1:32 PM (#628272 - in reply to #628264)
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more pictures, please
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frwl
Posted 2023-03-15 3:12 PM (#628273 - in reply to #628264)
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L – 1958 Model Year
D – Dodge Division
3 – Custom Royal V8

**9016 – 8016th Dodge Built; the first car VIN beginning from 1001;

“No Letter” (blank) between LD3 and 9016 tells us this car was built at Hamtramck Plant, Detroit, Michigan




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frwl
Posted 2023-03-15 3:21 PM (#628274 - in reply to #628273)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge Custom Royal


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frwl - 2023-03-15 3:12 PM

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L – 1958 Model Year
D – Dodge Division
3 – Custom Royal V8




It would be more correct to say that "3" means the engine used:

1 - L6 230CID
2 - V8 325CID
3 - V8 350CID

Coronet could has 1, 2, 3 (on Wagon) engines; Royal - 2, and Custom Royal - 3
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1960ny
Posted 2023-03-15 4:16 PM (#628276 - in reply to #628264)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge Custom Royal



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Powerflite
Posted 2023-03-15 4:21 PM (#628277 - in reply to #628264)
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Location: So. Cal		I disagree. The Royal could have come optional with a 350 as well, but was still designated as LD2. Also the D500 models were LD2 for both Coronet & Royal, but LD3 for Custom Royal even though all of them have the same engine.

LD1 = 6 cyl. Coronet
LD2 = 8 cyl. Coronet & Royal
LD3 = Custom Royal & Regal Lancer
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Powerflite
Posted 2023-03-15 4:23 PM (#628278 - in reply to #628264)
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Location: So. Cal		This car was not originally a Spring Special, according to the build date. So someone added that trim on there.
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1960ny
Posted 2023-03-16 10:55 AM (#628288 - in reply to #628264)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge Custom Royal



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frwl
Posted 2023-03-16 3:10 PM (#628292 - in reply to #628277)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge Custom Royal


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Powerflite - 2023-03-15 4:21 PM

I disagree. The Royal could have come optional with a 350 as well, but was still designated as LD2. Also the D500 models were LD2 for both Coronet & Royal, but LD3 for Custom Royal even though all of them have the same engine.

LD1 = 6 cyl. Coronet
LD2 = 8 cyl. Coronet & Royal
LD3 = Custom Royal & Regal Lancer



LD3 = Custom Royal & Regal *AND* Suburban, Sierra & Custom Sierra Wagons as well...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-dodge-suburban-spectator/
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Joe Mac
Posted 2023-06-29 1:32 PM (#630501 - in reply to #628264)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge Custom Royal



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Location: Fairfield County, CT		I may have missed it, but did anyone point out the motor number on the IBM card? This was done until early in the 1958 model year and then for some reason discontinued. My Regal lancer built in Jan '58 has it, my buddy's built a month later does not. This is your ability to identify a "numbers matching" car. It's interesting that it's printed giving the intended motor ordered and then handwritten confirming the match. You will also find this number stamped on the frame (somewhere). Mine is stamped on top of the frame rail under the driver's seat. I never knew it was there until the body was removed. This number is also not present on my friend's car frame and we scoured every inch looking for it. Beautiful car, almost done as a Regal Lancer convertible in those colors.
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56D500boy
Posted 2023-06-29 7:20 PM (#630508 - in reply to #630501)
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Joe Mac - 2023-06-29 10:32 AM
I may have missed it, but did anyone point out the motor number on the IBM card? This was done until early in the 1958 model year and then for some reason discontinued.


Like this?



All the 56 and 57 Dodge IBM cards that I have seen (and saved images of) have the engine number either stamped on the IBM card or written on.



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58coupe
Posted 2023-07-01 12:33 PM (#630525 - in reply to #628264)
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Location: Alaska		I have always wondered about the advertised horsepower of these cars. As far as I can research, the 58 Dodge 361 D500 rated at 320 hp is the same as the 58 Desoto Adventurer 361 rated at 345 hp.
I am thinking it must be only the advertising department showing more power for the upscale Desotos and Chryslers.
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Posted 2023-07-01 5:21 PM (#630528 - in reply to #628264)
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Location: So. Cal		More likely the advertising department downgrading the power of the Dodge motor. It looks like the camshafts were the same, so they are very likely to have the same power output, though it is unclear if they used the 1739607 or 608 cam.
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springsweptwing
Posted 2023-07-03 11:19 AM (#630578 - in reply to #630525)
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58coupe - 2023-07-01 5:33 PM

I have always wondered about the advertised horsepower of these cars. As far as I can research, the 58 Dodge 361 D500 rated at 320 hp is the same as the 58 Desoto Adventurer 361 rated at 345 hp.
I am thinking it must be only the advertising department showing more power for the upscale Desotos and Chryslers.



The Dodge D500 would be a single 4 barrel where as the Adventurer would have dual 4 barrels.
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58coupe
Posted 2023-07-03 12:23 PM (#630583 - in reply to #628264)
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Location: Alaska		Not an expert on the D500 Dodges but I owned a 58 Fury with the dual Quad 350 that was only rated at 305 hp.This was a strong running engine with the same heads as the Desoto Adventurer and I believe also the same cam. Hard to believe it was 40 hp less.
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Posted 2023-07-03 1:06 PM (#630589 - in reply to #630583)
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58coupe - 2023-07-03 5:23 PM

Not an expert on the D500 Dodges but I owned a 58 Fury with the dual Quad 350 that was only rated at 305 hp.This was a strong running engine with the same heads as the Desoto Adventurer and I believe also the same cam. Hard to believe it was 40 hp less.


Yes I think the HP figures were adjusted to make the sales.
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JohnD
Posted 2023-07-10 11:42 PM (#630687 - in reply to #628264)
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Location: New Jersey		Yes, the '58 Adventurer had the same cam and heads. But unlike Dodge and Plymouth engines, the Desoto Adventurer had 10.25:1 compression ratio. The increase in compression was achieved with domed pistons. It's still kind of hard to belive the horsepower increased that much with a slight bump in compression.

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58coupe
Posted 2023-07-11 11:22 AM (#630690 - in reply to #628264)
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Location: Alaska		Are you talking about the Desoto hemi or the big blocks. The Plymouth Fury and the Dodge D500 big blocks had 10 to 1 compression and I have never seen anything written that the Adventurer had 1/4 point higher. Not to start an argument but where did you find this info?
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56D500boy
Posted 2023-07-11 11:37 AM (#630691 - in reply to #630690)
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"Normal" (non-Adventurer) 58 Desoto compression ratios:



And, if you believe Hemmings:

"The chassis, still a separate X-braced frame design, also cradled Chrysler Corporation's 361-cu.in. engine. Introduced in 1958 as a replacement for the costly-to-build Hemi, the 361—available in an array of horsepower configurations—was dubbed the 361 "Wedge" due to the wedge-style combustion chambers cast into the cylinder heads. Those inserted into Adventurers featured dual four-barrel carburetors. Coupled with a 10.25:1 compression ratio, the new V-8 was rated for 345 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque. A TorqueFlite automatic transmission was standard issue."

REF: https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/1958-de-soto-adventurer-con...



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