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jwheath68
Posted 2023-02-15 1:29 PM (#627626)
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Thanks for the help, I’ll get a better picture when I’m able to scrape the numbers a little to clear things up
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jwheath68
Posted 2023-02-15 2:08 PM (#627627 - in reply to #627626)
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Posted 2023-02-15 4:51 PM (#627629 - in reply to #627627)
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jwheath68 - 2023-02-15 11:08 AM
Picture


Nope.

Has to be < 259 kB (1024 x 768 works well)

.jpg is good. .jpeg from iPhone sort of works but not that well. Regardless, has to be < 250 kB.

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ttotired
Posted 2023-02-15 5:52 PM (#627632 - in reply to #627626)
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I will put the picture up for him



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jwheath68
Posted 2023-02-15 10:45 PM (#627638 - in reply to #627626)
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Thanks Ttotired, I’m slow with interweb stuff
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frwl
Posted 2023-02-16 3:07 PM (#627645 - in reply to #627626)
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Hello!

UPPER ROW:

SERIAL NO M352104349

M – 1959
3 – Dodge
5 – Custom Royal
2 – Hamtramck Assembly Plant
104349 – 4349th Royal Built

MIDDLE ROW FROM LEFT TO THE RIGHT:

9 – Fin End Chrome Inserts
9 – Rear Quarter Panel Ornaments – Chevrons
1 – Undercoating and Underhood Insulating Pad
3 – Accessory Group – “Deluxe Radio Heater” that included:

Heater and Defroster
Back Up Lights
Left Outside Remote Control Mirror
Inside “Mirror Matic” Glare Proof Mirror
Radio Music Master

4 – Accessory Group – “Convenience” that included:

Air Foam Rear Seats
Handbrake Warning Signal
Trunk Light
Map Light
Glove Box Light
Visor Vanity Mirror
Windshield Washer
Variable Speed Windshield Wipers

LOWER ROW:

SCHEDULE M1110 53 010 – Scheduled on November 10, 1958; probably 10th car built that day…
BDY 352 = Dodge (3) Custom Royal (5) Lancer Two Door Hardtop (2)
PNT UW4 (if I’ve read first “U” correctly) – Paint Scheme – Deluxe Two Tones (4 in the end):

U – Biscuit – Roof Colour
W – Mocha – Upper Body Colour (above belt moulding)
U – Biscuit – Lower Body Colour (below belt moulding)
U – Biscuit – Fins Colour

TRM S77 – Swivel Seats (S); Tan Vinyl and Tan “Nassau” Fabric (77)

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frwl
Posted 2023-02-16 3:10 PM (#627646 - in reply to #627626)
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1959 Dodge Accessory Groups:



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frwl
Posted 2023-02-16 3:21 PM (#627647 - in reply to #627626)
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The paint scheme should look like this:



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frwl
Posted 2023-02-16 3:31 PM (#627648 - in reply to #627626)
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The Tan Vinyl and Tan Nassau Fabric interior color scheme (4 Door Sedan shown)



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jwheath68
Posted 2023-02-16 5:44 PM (#627651 - in reply to #627626)
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Thank you Thank you for that!! Awesome job, I guess i was wrong about how they're read, the Chrysler's read down on that middle column, at least the 57 I had so I thought it 389,399,411, 473 and 484 but you listed just that last number going across, is there a place that information can be found? And there's a doppleganger in Europe somewhere, haha!! Great stuff!!
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Posted 2023-02-16 6:09 PM (#627653 - in reply to #627626)
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389, 399, 411, 473, 484 are the correct codes for those numbers. Igor just didn't spell them all out for you when he posted it.
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frwl
Posted 2023-02-16 7:27 PM (#627654 - in reply to #627626)
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Yes, you are right – 1957 (and 1958) Chrysler / Imperial data plate codes are matching to the order codes, but 1957, 58, and 59 Dodges ARE NOT!
Except 1958 and 1959 Dodges built at Newark Delaware plant.
Besides that Dodge data plate codes are also differ depending by 57, 58, or 59 model year!
If you want to understand this issue more deeply – here we go:

MIDDLE ROW FROM LEFT TO THE RIGHT:

Data plate code 389 = order code 419 – Fin End Chrome Inserts
Data plate code 399 = order code 429 – Rear Quarter Panel Ornaments – Chevrons
Data plate code 411 = order code 501 – Undercoating and Underhood Insulating Pad
Data plate code 473 = order code 313 – Accessory Group – “Deluxe Radio Heater” that included:

Heater and Defroster (order code 345)
Back Up Lights (order code 392)
Left Outside Remote Control Mirror (order code 402)
Inside “Mirror Matic” Glare Proof Mirror (order code 405)
Radio Music Master (order code 441)

Data plate code 484 = order code 314 – Accessory Group – “Convenience” that included:

Air Foam Rear Seats (order code 352)
Handbrake Warning Signal (order code 394)
Trunk Light (order code 395)
Map Light
Glove Box Light
Visor Vanity Mirror
Windshield Washer (order code 521)
Variable Speed Windshield Wipers (order code 522)

This information can be found in the any ’59 Dodge build sheet like this:




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frwl
Posted 2023-02-16 7:56 PM (#627656 - in reply to #627626)
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By the way, there is no info about transmission, power steering, brakes, seat, heater and solex tinted glass on the ’59 Dodge data plates;
These items can be found in the build sheet only in 29x, 301, 302, 303, 345 and 46x columns;
According to the data plate, your car has not FACTORY power windows, air conditioning, dual rear antennas, etc…


Regarding the trans, highly likely that your car is equipped with Torqueflite;
The ’59 Dodge brochure says that Coronets have 3-speed Manual transmission as standard equipment,
Royals have 2-speed Powerflite, while Custom Royals have 3-speed Torqueflite, BUT…

This brochure got correction later: all series have manual transmission…




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jwheath68
Posted 2023-02-16 8:56 PM (#627658 - in reply to #627626)
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So dual rear antenna would show on the data plate? It's got holes there on the body but I guess they could've been retrofitted
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ronbo97
Posted 2023-02-16 10:36 PM (#627664 - in reply to #627658)
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So, to correct what was incorrectly stated earlier, 411 is the hood ornament. If the car had Solex, it would be coded in position 42.

Ron

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frwl
Posted 2023-02-17 3:36 AM (#627669 - in reply to #627658)
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jwheath68 - 2023-02-16 8:56 PM

So dual rear antenna would show on the data plate?


Dual Antennas are not stamped on the data plate as a separately option;
Just only if they included in the “Ornamental” accessory group – order code 318 – data plate code 338;
So, it might be a factory-installed option…

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frwl
Posted 2023-02-17 3:37 AM (#627670 - in reply to #627664)
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ronbo97 - 2023-02-16 10:36 PM

So, to correct what was incorrectly stated earlier, 411 is the hood ornament.



Ron, hood ornament has code 408 (must ends on “8”); I’ve never seen “8” in the 41x column. Do you?
Could you post some data plate picture to confirm that?

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frwl
Posted 2023-02-17 3:39 AM (#627671 - in reply to #627664)
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ronbo97 - 2023-02-16 10:36 PM

If the car had Solex, it would be coded in position 42.



Ok.
I posted a data plate picture and build card from this link:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=50718&...

This car has tinted windshield (order code 465 in the build card).
I see a twin nines only and DO NOT SEE “5” in the position 42 on the data plate!!!

I have pictures with 421, 422, 424 codes on the data plates – in the 42 position as well;
There are no solex tinted glass options ends on “1”, “2” or “4”!!!
1959 Dodge offered two types of solex glass: 466 – all tinted and 465 – windshield only
Sorry…

BTW this car has also hood ornament – code 408 on the build card;
The 41x position on the data plate is EMPTY too…




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frwl
Posted 2023-02-17 3:41 AM (#627672 - in reply to #627626)
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Jim, does your car have a solex tinted glass?

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ronbo97
Posted 2023-02-17 11:08 AM (#627677 - in reply to #627670)
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frwl - 2023-02-17 3:37 AM
ronbo97 - 2023-02-16 10:36 PM

So, to correct what was incorrectly stated earlier, 411 is the hood ornament.

Ron, hood ornament has code 408 (must ends on “8”); I’ve never seen “8” in the 41x column. Do you? Could you post some data plate picture to confirm that?

You make assumptions that the build sheet relates to the data plate. In some cases, it does. In others, it doesn't. My statements are based on researching these cars for decades. There could be errors in production that aren't caught, like leaving off the hood ornament.

Ron

 

 

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jwheath68
Posted 2023-02-17 8:07 PM (#627688 - in reply to #627626)
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It does (did) have a hood ornament, I'll let you know about the tinted glass. Thanks for everything so far, I'll dig into it this weekend to see if a build sheet can be found.
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jwheath68
Posted 2023-02-22 9:34 PM (#627771 - in reply to #627626)
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Doesn’t appear to have solex glass, but did have passenger mirror, dual antenna and the swivel seat, unfortunately no power windows



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frwl
Posted 2023-02-23 1:18 AM (#627777 - in reply to #627626)
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It also has power brakes, but no electric clock



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frwl
Posted 2023-02-23 1:19 AM (#627778 - in reply to #627626)
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Is her name Ester?





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frwl
Posted 2023-02-23 1:20 AM (#627779 - in reply to #627626)
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Your car serial number is M352104349 – that ends on “49”;
It could be a coincidence…




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frwl
Posted 2023-02-23 1:23 AM (#627780 - in reply to #627626)
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Two small holes own a right O/S mirror;
What purpose of the big hole?




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jwheath68
Posted 2023-02-23 7:35 AM (#627783 - in reply to #627626)
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No idea FRWL, this was a trim parts car for another CRL coupe many years ago that’s somewhere in Sweden, but this car is very restorable, the difficulty in finding the lost trim pieces and rust repair, of course, drivetrain is all there minus the radiator. I love this thing
On the big plus side, it has all the trim around the top including the unobtanium thick roof rail trim, thank you again for all the help , couldn’t find a build sheet unfortunately and the last word I got from Chrysler is the records department isn’t happening right now, maybe in the future, that’s what they told me in an email
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Mope R. Geezer
Posted 2023-02-23 10:51 AM (#627784 - in reply to #627626)
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Maybe antenna????

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