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Tony
Posted 2022-10-04 7:03 PM (#624688)
Subject: Possible fuel pump failure



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Hi All,
Checking out a '56 Fury in 2 days, may have a bad fuel pump. Does the '56 303 use the same pump as a '57 318?
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56D500boy
Posted 2022-10-04 7:34 PM (#624689 - in reply to #624688)
Subject: RE: Possible fuel pump failure



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Tony - 2022-10-04 4:03 PM Checking out a '56 Fury in 2 days, may have a bad fuel pump. Does the '56 303 use the same pump as a '57 318?
Thanks


They seem to have different PNs but I would be surprised that they were significantly different, being from the same family tree and one year a part.

Rock Auto lists fuel pumps for the 1957 Fury 318 and the 313 but nothing for the 56 303

313:

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/plymouth,1957,belvedere,5.1l+313...

318:

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/plymouth,1957,fury,5.2l+318cid+v...

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Tony
Posted 2022-10-04 8:23 PM (#624692 - in reply to #624689)
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I saw the same thing before I opened this topic.
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Powerflite
Posted 2022-10-04 9:00 PM (#624695 - in reply to #624688)
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They are the same with only minor differences in the positioning of the inlet and outlet. As long as you are willing to make new lines, you won't have an issue. The older pumps can be taken apart and clocked to a new orientation as well.
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mstrug
Posted 2022-10-04 9:02 PM (#624696 - in reply to #624688)
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Does yours have a glass filter bowl? https://www.ebay.com/itm/125394599098?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
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Tony
Posted 2022-10-04 10:08 PM (#624697 - in reply to #624696)
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I'll check on the filter bowl.
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56D500boy
Posted 2022-10-04 11:22 PM (#624698 - in reply to #624697)
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This Rock Auto listing for a GMB 5208050 shows a bunch of OE Mopar numbers:

Alternate/OEM Part Number(s): 1736073, 1752463, 1827488, 1827935, 1843287, 1843400

1843287 shows up in the OE PN list that I posted above.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=8891112&jsn=723

https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/gmb,5208050,fuel+pump,6256

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Tony
Posted 2022-10-06 9:56 PM (#624737 - in reply to #624689)
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I removed the fuel pump, the Fury had an AC 40332. A single bend on the pump arm whereas the 1957 and on small block pumps have 2 bends on the lever. Found a new pump for #1637367 online. Waiting for more pics.
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Tony
Posted 2022-10-06 10:08 PM (#624738 - in reply to #624737)
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56D500boy
Posted 2022-10-07 2:08 AM (#624743 - in reply to #624737)
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Tony - 2022-10-06 6:56 PM.
I removed the fuel pump, the Fury had an AC 40332. A single bend on the pump arm whereas the 1957 and on small block pumps have 2 bends on the lever. Found a new pump for #1637367 online. Waiting for more pics.


You might want to check this AirTex 4280 application list:

https://airtexasc.com/product-details?partkey=000566077

It includes the 56 Fury:

1956 PLYMOUTH FURY V8-5.0L Mechanical Fuel Pump 1 A

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Tony
Posted 2022-10-07 1:16 PM (#624752 - in reply to #624743)
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Airtex is part of the company that owns Carter and Airtex doesn't exist anymore. The Airtex page showed part #4280 but Carter answered my call and the pump is obsolete. Next step is finding a pump rebuilder.
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local2Ed
Posted 2022-10-07 6:00 PM (#624758 - in reply to #624752)
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They're simple to rebuild.
I think Antique Parts Cellar or Then And Now is where I bought rebuild kits and they also rebuild the pumps.
I don't remember if those are the same companies since it's been a while since I've rebuilt one but somebody here knows the company I am talking about.
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Tony
Posted 2022-10-07 9:26 PM (#624763 - in reply to #624758)
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The tech guy at Carter mentioned Then and Now this morning.

Has anyone ever dealt with eCRATER? One of their sellers has a new pump that fits many Mopar V8s from '54 to '56, but I asked for more pics before I buy. It looks like an Airtex.

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Tony
Posted 2022-10-08 1:32 PM (#624770 - in reply to #624763)
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Here's a pic from the seller on eCRATER.



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Tony
Posted 2022-10-17 7:43 PM (#624940 - in reply to #624770)
Subject: Re: Possible fuel pump failure



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Finally found a re-manufactured fuel pump at Atlas Obsolete Motor Parts. As for Then and Now, they are not answering the phones or emails. Their voice mail says they are short of people.

Thanks for all of the comments,
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ronbo97
Posted 2022-10-17 8:56 PM (#624944 - in reply to #624940)
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So how badly is Atlas going to screw you for that fuel pump ? Then and Now sells their kits for around $50, IIRC. I would keep trying them, unless you have to get the car to Pebble Beach by this weekend and can't wait.

Ron

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Tony
Posted 2022-10-17 9:47 PM (#624950 - in reply to #624944)
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$250 plus shipping. I've never had any problems with Atlas, I've bought from them since 1998. The owner of the Fury is 80 years old and is selling the car, so it needs to run as soon as possible.
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ronbo97
Posted 2022-10-17 11:51 PM (#624952 - in reply to #624950)
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I was referring to how much they were (over)charging you for the fuel pump. Never said anything about having problems with them.

I would still give Then and Now a chance. I'd also rather rebuild the original pump, rather than using an aftermarket one from Atlas.

Ron

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Tony
Posted 2022-10-20 12:40 AM (#624986 - in reply to #624688)
Subject: RE: Possible fuel pump failure



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The pump was not original, an AC 40332.
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ronbo97
Posted 2022-10-20 10:07 AM (#624994 - in reply to #624986)
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Tony - 2022-10-20 12:40 AM The pump was not original, an AC 40332.

Aftermarket pump. Puts out too much pressure, which may cause flooding and wear on needle and seat. Correct Carter fuel pump puts out 7 lbs maximum.

Ron

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