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frwl
Posted 2022-05-08 4:56 PM (#621338 - in reply to #616689)
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22mafeja
Posted 2022-05-08 5:42 PM (#621340 - in reply to #621335)
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Location: Finland		I can assure you it is a very clear 1634983 as well as the one on my 58 Firedome was. Have I perhaps misunderstood the measuring of a pinion ? When I measure the yoke stem it is 1 7/8"...
that is the inner diameter of the pinion seal.



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56D500boy
Posted 2022-05-08 6:30 PM (#621344 - in reply to #621340)
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22mafeja - 2022-05-08 2:42 PM. Have I perhaps misunderstood the measuring of a pinion ? When I measure the yoke stem it is 1 7/8"...
that is the inner diameter of the pinion seal.


The pinion seal for a 55-57 Dodge was 663 602 which crosses to an SKF 18880 which has an inner diameter of 1.875" (1 7/8")

https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/skf,18880,differential+pinion+seal...

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1837032&jsn=3

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22mafeja
Posted 2022-05-09 12:17 AM (#621350 - in reply to #621344)
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Location: Finland		That`s a very good thread Dave , it tells me I have the same pinion seal as your 56 D500.
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56D500boy
Posted 2022-05-09 2:22 AM (#621351 - in reply to #621350)
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22mafeja - 2022-05-08 9:17 PM
That`s a very good thread Dave , it tells me I have the same pinion seal as your 56 D500.


That is true. However, I think the main point of that thread was to point out that a 1958 Dodge Pinion, PN 1828 644, which also crossed up to a much later flange, i.e. a 3004 872. Supposedly the same thing as a 58 Dodge 1826 644, just a newer NOS PN. I will call it an 1828 644 to be consistent. Both it and the 57 1738 748 seem to have the same key dimensions, i.e. the distance from the 10 spline end of the flange to the "bottom" of the U-joint bearing cap seat.

Using the 1828 644 allows you to go with a "modern" U-joint, like a MOOG 315G, provided that you use a Ford Pinion spacer when installing the pinion.





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22mafeja
Posted 2022-05-16 8:59 AM (#621525 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		Now I have compared the two pinions on 741 and 742 rear ends with my 1634983. As some guys already know the 1634983 pinion is quite slender without a step in diameter for the inner
bearing looking just like the 741. This is a fact.
I made new pads between the leafs and could save all the retainers after some repairs. My grandpas 100 year old powerbelt supplied the raw material for the pads. I think it was balate
and that is quality I would say.
I am going to paint the body shell on tuesday and I can`t wait for the sound of the jaws dropping...surprise, surprise...

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22mafeja
Posted 2022-05-18 11:05 AM (#621555 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		Goose bumps..this is structure paint. No side moldings, matte silver bumpers on this car. I have done many original restorations so I decided to do this last one
a little differently. These are only cars after all...

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Posted 2022-05-18 12:07 PM (#621561 - in reply to #616689)
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22mafeja
Posted 2022-05-18 12:13 PM (#621563 - in reply to #621561)
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Location: Finland		This paint is polyurethane with 2k hardener and it gets incredibly tough and durable. It is close to u-pols raptor.
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22mafeja
Posted 2022-05-18 11:34 PM (#621594 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		A couple of parts have been re zinked..80 pounds. Takes a while before every item has found its place..

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Posted 2022-05-24 11:58 AM (#621701 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		Finally got the frame blasted. I examined it carefully and found the number 203057 on the left frame beam behind the rear axle . Suppose 57 is the year but 2030 I have no clue...





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Posted 2022-05-24 12:58 PM (#621706 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: So. Cal		That should correlate to your motor number. Check the motor to see what it says.
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22mafeja
Posted 2022-05-24 2:16 PM (#621711 - in reply to #621706)
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Location: Finland		Unfortunately that motor is missing....a 318LA is going to fill that vacancy.
Would that original motor number have been KDS-2030 then ?
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Posted 2022-05-24 7:14 PM (#621719 - in reply to #616689)
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22mafeja
Posted 2022-05-27 12:07 AM (#621757 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		The frame is finished in epoxy..
The red areas are where I have stamped the VIN , to be sure on two locations. In Finland the law requires a stamped VIN number.

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Posted 2022-06-23 1:17 PM (#622325 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		The chassis is soon ready. Next week will the engine and transmission get installed.



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22mafeja
Posted 2022-06-24 11:02 AM (#622348 - in reply to #616689)
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Posted 2022-07-14 2:54 AM (#622865 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		Before...after...hmm the pictures got loaded in wrong order so now it looks like I first repaired them and then broke them...
The pictures show the 25 usd core I fitted into the model 705 heater housing...I just could not pay the price of a correct core...darned pirates.

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Posted 2022-07-14 7:11 AM (#622866 - in reply to #616689)
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22mafeja
Posted 2022-07-14 9:54 AM (#622869 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		My parking brake is progressing. It might even be good...I am going to connect the original cable to it.



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22mafeja
Posted 2022-07-18 7:42 AM (#622950 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		The heater box was ready with the core inside but I didn`t dare attach it to the firewall before re marrying the body and the chassis. Thus I have installed a LA 318 and TF904
and it should be room enough. I have the right oil pan and 15mm between the crossbeam and the pan. Ouch...I had to take a big chunk of the heater box for the original sized distributor.
The engine angle is almost zero so I had no other option.
The parking brake cable system seems to work nicely now , I am a little concerned about what happens if I apply the e brake hard when the car is rolling..it might
bend then.



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Powerflite
Posted 2022-07-19 9:22 PM (#623012 - in reply to #616689)
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22mafeja
Posted 2022-07-20 2:11 AM (#623017 - in reply to #623012)
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Location: Finland		Well I got one fingertip in between the oil pan and the cross beam..the block is a 1983 one with a 1964-69 passenger car pan ..that is what I have been told.

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22mafeja
Posted 2022-10-08 3:03 PM (#624774 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		Very little has been done lately but:
-dash is completed with steering column
-wiring is gone through and everything electrical works
-engine bay is completed , almost...
-engine installation is ok
-the new handbrake is installed but not fully tested
-the custom made gear selector is adjusted and works nicely!
-the new and cheap heater core and valve are working nicely as it seems
-the headliner is repaired (new from newstalgiaparts on ebay) and installed

The line pressure of the tf904 is lost....bought a fully repaired transmission but we got unlucky. The seller is taking full responsibility fot it
so he is sending a refurbished valve body as next step.
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22mafeja
Posted 2022-10-14 3:22 PM (#624887 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		Windshield and rear glass got installed.....this is a some sticky business. I put one 310ml tube of butyl sealing compound per each glass. I have learned that
only too much is enough if you want a (almost)water tight car.
The clips were made of stainless sheet metal . The seals were made of universal rubber seal with locking strip. Worked nicely.

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22mafeja
Posted 2022-11-08 11:51 AM (#625444 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		The doors are getting some new sheet metal..
One done and tomorrow is the other ready too.
The skins were too banged and streched and rusted to be used. Better to make completely new skins and edges.
Only with the skins away you get to the rust between the triple sheet metal flange. And it is there even on very fine specimens...
The hefty flat bar is removed after the long seam is welded.



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56D500boy
Posted 2022-11-08 7:24 PM (#625460 - in reply to #625444)
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Ralf: All excellent work, as usual. Looking good.

One thing that I noticed today/missed before was how you have attached the brake shoe return springs on your front brakes. While I think your rear brake return springs are correctly attached to the loops on the shoes, I think that it wrong for the front brakes. I believe that the front return springs should be attached to the hole in the web, not the loops.

I don't want to be critical but I don't want you to have a brake issue either (sorry):

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22mafeja
Posted 2022-11-09 12:21 AM (#625467 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		Thanks Dave, I appreciate that you told me what you noticed. However they seem to have hooked the springs both ways on the front axle.
I didn`t find the pics I took of the Coronet front brakes before I disassembled them but the ones I took of the Desoto 58 front brakes says so.
This proves at least that it doesn`t disturb the function of the brakes.
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Posted 2022-11-10 10:27 AM (#625494 - in reply to #625467)
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Ralf: The 57 Dodge Center Plane/Total Contact brake return springs are different front and rear in the number of coils *AND* their attachment points.

The fronts have springs with 4 coils that are attached to the web of the shoes. (You have springs with 5 coils attached to the loops, not the webs)

The rears have springs with 5 coils that are attached to the loops on the edge of the shoes. (You're good on the rears)

From the 57 Dodge Factory Service Manual (FSM), pgs 6 and 7

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Posted 2022-11-10 5:52 PM (#625505 - in reply to #616689)
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Posted 2022-11-11 3:14 AM (#625517 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		Yesterday I made the armrests. Notice that I made the pads out of solid wood! Outrageous....suck on that purists....just joking
It took a full hour to make the wooden pieces. This way I could staple the vinyl on the under side...don`t trust glue...

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Posted 2022-11-11 4:20 AM (#625518 - in reply to #616689)
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Posted 2022-11-16 2:33 PM (#625656 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		Doors are sand blasted and epoxy primed Also all the seat frames and springs. The front fenders are at the blasting shop.
The front fenders were deep rusted where the mouldings had been. It is impossible to get rid of all rust so I use CRC Rust Remover and then Rust Sealer before the epoxy. This
seems to get the job done. Sandblasting the outside of the fenders is out of the question.



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22mafeja
Posted 2022-12-22 12:37 AM (#626492 - in reply to #616689)
Subject: RE: Coronet 2d sedan 1957


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Location: Finland		Some progress...



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Posted 2022-12-22 1:07 PM (#626503 - in reply to #616689)
Subject: Re: Coronet 2d sedan 1957



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Location: So. Cal		Looking good Ralf. That silver paint will save you a lot of $$.
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22mafeja
Posted 2023-01-06 9:03 PM (#626778 - in reply to #616689)
Subject: RE: Coronet 2d sedan 1957


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Location: Finland		I had earlier repaired the turn signal switch which had both ears broke off...First it was functional but after some time it started to malfunction now and then.
I checked the cost for a new one and indeed it would cost about 300usd including all costs ...nono..
An old fire detector caught my attention since I know they are made of undestructible plastic.
It was a little tricky but doable to make a lid on the switch. Before I was finished I had to solder on two wire which fell of during the work.
Not beautiful but working for zero usd..



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wizard
Posted 2023-01-07 5:35 AM (#626781 - in reply to #616689)
Subject: Re: Coronet 2d sedan 1957



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Powerflite
Posted 2023-01-07 12:58 PM (#626788 - in reply to #616689)
Subject: Re: Coronet 2d sedan 1957



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22mafeja
Posted 2023-01-08 3:15 AM (#626796 - in reply to #616689)
Subject: RE: Coronet 2d sedan 1957


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Location: Finland		For me it`s really rewarding to make these kind of crazy repairs since I have Parkinsons Disease since about five years back.
Feels good to be able to still do things with my hands. So far the overall condition is pretty good.
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Posted 2023-01-08 8:39 AM (#626797 - in reply to #616689)
Subject: Re: Coronet 2d sedan 1957



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22mafeja
Posted 2023-01-08 1:06 PM (#626804 - in reply to #616689)
Subject: RE: Coronet 2d sedan 1957


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Location: Finland		The interior is finished (almost). The seat skins are modified standard van bench covers. Absolutely no show standard...
I had two broke vent window frames and two useless locking levers.
This is how I solved that after I stumbled over a stainless 10mm scrap piece....functional.



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22mafeja
Posted 2023-01-15 7:51 AM (#626969 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		Quality USS fuel tank from 1957...amazingly rust free also inside....
I have never made an autopsy on a vented fuel cap before..easy to drill away the center rivet and put new gasket paper pieces. The rivet was replaced with a 1/4" bolt.

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56D500boy
Posted 2023-01-15 11:29 AM (#626973 - in reply to #626969)
Subject: RE: Coronet 2d sedan 1957



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Ralf: Lucky you with the gas tank. Looks in great shape.

As for the gas cap, did that rivet have a hole in it (in the middle) by chance?

IF so, that was the vent hole and your bolt isn't allowing air into the tank as the fuel is consumed by the engine = vacuum in the tank, tank implodes (slowly) and/or your engine get starved of fuel because of fuel pump can't suck against a vacuum.

I hope that I am wrong.

https://autorestorer.com/articles/do_i_need_a_vented_gas_cap-147

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22mafeja
Posted 2023-01-15 1:22 PM (#626979 - in reply to #616689)
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Location: Finland		It had a solid rivet. The air /fumes are traveling through those small channels pressed in both lower and upper end of the cap so you won`t have to worry..
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22mafeja
Posted 2023-01-23 6:19 AM (#627198 - in reply to #616689)
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wizard
Posted 2023-01-23 6:27 AM (#627199 - in reply to #616689)
Subject: Re: Coronet 2d sedan 1957



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22mafeja
Posted 2023-01-23 6:33 AM (#627200 - in reply to #627199)
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Location: Finland		Yes I think likewise Sven...it is so el cheapo with my home made poverty caps.....
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AceS
Posted 2023-01-26 2:18 PM (#627247 - in reply to #627200)
Subject: Re: Coronet 2d sedan 1957



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Location: WA/USA		I had a lot of fun following this. You have some skills, and the results have helped me decide some of the directions that I'm going on my own Club Coupe build.... so, thank you.
Congratulations, and enjoy!
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22mafeja
Posted 2023-01-27 3:20 PM (#627264 - in reply to #627247)
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22mafeja
Posted 2023-02-12 7:11 AM (#627526 - in reply to #616689)
Subject: RE: Coronet 2d sedan 1957


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Location: Finland		Now my Batmobile is roadworthy and has passed the Finnish Motor Vehicle Inspection. So now I am waiting for the Finnish "IRS" to estimate how much it will cost me to registrate this car in Finland.
This is very very useful since it takes at least one month and the sum will be about 15 e and the minimi charge is 20e!!
Authorities at their very best!
I thus have to wait one month before I get the plates on.
Now I have driven some with contemporary plates and to my pleasure I think all the "improvements" I have made work pretty well. The disc brake emergency brake is a little weak but sufficient imo.
The half sized heater core I took from a newer car is also satisfactory.
The gearshift lever located at the place of the ashtray is working well.
The car is really drivable, the brakes are good , and without power brakes it has kind of ALB , you have to really stomp on te pedal to get them locked.
I really like the steering, it goes steadily and straight with the 215/80-14 tyres. I haven`t tried the bling wheels on the road yet...
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