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dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | can anyone decode this 59 dodge custom royal Id plate in the drivers door jam ? M354 1959: Plymouth, DeSoto, Dodge, Chrysler, ImperialFor 1959 only in this series, “M” was the first digit for the model year, followed by the brand (1 = Plymouth Six, 2 = Plymouth V8, 3 = Dodge, 4 = DeSoto, 5 = Chrysler, 6 = Imperial, 7 = Dodge Canada). The third digit was the series (see below) and the fourth digit was the plant, using the codes shown in 1960-65; the rest were the sequence number. This setup might have been car-only.
For 1959, plant codes were somewhat different from 1960-65: 1 = Jefferson Ave, 2 = Dodge Main, 3 = Evansville, 4 = Los Angeles, 5 = Newark, 6 = Lynch Road, 7 = Imperial, 8 = St. Louis
Thanks ! Edited by dodge59 2019-10-10 10:34 PM | ||
dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | <p>according to the info from allpar and mymopar site , the info above says that a 1959 dodge d-500 door jam vin plate should be m39 4 .. the "9" signifies it's a d-500 model . and m354 is just a standard custom royal model . does that sound correct? could you d-500 models owners please check to see what you vin plate in the door checks out to be? appreciate your help !</p><p> </p><p>SOOOOO..........back to the original question >>>>>>>>> what model is vehicle from a id jam plate with numbers M354 1OO252 ?</p><p>This broadcast sheet is from oldwood crl he sold , just an example ............... but I've</p><p> seen the serial numbers don't match the body numbers. </p><p><img src="get-attachment.asp?action=view&attachmentid=198904" border="0" /></p> Edited by dodge59 2019-10-11 11:34 AM (019.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 019.JPG (154KB - 323 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9908 Location: Lower Mainland BC | You know what would be helpful is a photo of the car, a photo of the VIN plate on the door jamb and a photo of the data plate under the hood on the cowl/firewall. Otherwise, it is difficult to help you. There isn't much to learn from just the VIN. | ||
dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | <p>here is the door jam vin number . waiting to get cowl tag .</p> Edited by dodge59 2019-10-11 12:39 PM (IMG_8907_resize 75%.JPG) Attachments ---------------- IMG_8907_resize 75%.JPG (98KB - 323 downloads) | ||
ronbo97 |
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | dodge59 - 2019-10-11 10:56 AM according to the info from allpar and mymopar site , the info above says that a 1959 dodge d-500 door jam vin plate should be m39 4 .. the "9" signifies it's a d-500 model . and m354 is just a standard custom royal model . does that sound correct? could you d-500 models owners please check to see what you vin plate in the door checks out to be? appreciate your help ! SOOOOO..........back to the original question >>>>>>>>> what model is vehicle from a id jam plate with numbers M354 1OO252 ? This broadcast sheet is from oldwood crl he sold , just an example ............... but I've seen the serial numbers don't match the body numbers. So much misinformation here. First, only Calif-built cars have VIN on A-post. All others have VIN on data plate. D500 is not coded into VIN. It is coded onto build sheet and dataplate. Position 36 on dataplate will have a 3 for single 4bbl and a 4 for dual quads. Can you take a nice clear photo of your dataplate and post it here ? M3541 is a Custom Royal built in Calif (designated by the 4. Although I don't have my shop manual in front of me. So someone needs to confirm). Ron
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dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | good info Ron ! but what numbers/letters determine it's a 361 or 383 on cowl plate . because 59 came with 361 4bls too. I will post a pic of cowl id when I get it . Thanks Ron . john | ||
ronbo97 |
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | If there is a blank in position 36 (or something other than a 3 or 4), you have a 361. Ron | ||
dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | Thanks Ron ! | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9908 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . ronbo97 - 2019-10-11 11:24 AM M3541 is a Custom Royal built in Calif (designated by the 4. Although I don't have my shop manual in front of me. So someone needs to confirm). Ron: As "requested": Just to confirm that a VIN that starts with M354 is for a 1959 (M), Dodge (3), Custom Royal (5) built in the Los Angeles plant (4). The M352 that was posted earlier = 1959 (M), Dodge (3), Custom Royal (5) built in the Dodge Detroit Main plant (2) Edited by 56D500boy 2019-10-11 9:12 PM (59MoparModelYearVINInterpretation.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 59MoparModelYearVINInterpretation.jpg (84KB - 350 downloads) | ||
dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | Yes 56D500boy .
I was just using that build sheet in reference to model number 354 don't usually match the serial number 352 that all. | ||
dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | yeah .........I wish some of the 1959 d-500 owners would chime in and varify the number (9) in jam id plate. then we would know for sure. Ronbo says the (9) does not exist. not too many real d-500 out there anyway. just say n . | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9908 Location: Lower Mainland BC | dodge59 - 2019-10-11 5:47 PM yeah .........I wish some of the 1959 d-500 owners would chime in and varify the number (9) in jam id plate. then we would know for sure. Ronbo says the (9) does not exist. not too many real d-500 out there anyway. Here is the cowl tag on what is supposedly a real dual quad D500 and the VIN starts with M352 = 59 Dodge Custom Royal built at Dodge Main. REFERENCE: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1959-dodge-custom-royal-lancer-sup... | ||
dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | so.......... it appears that this yellow tag is not a d-500 car . No number 3 or 4 under the 36 data bank. Still waiting to see a cowl data tag showing a real d-500 car. | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9908 Location: Lower Mainland BC | dodge59 - 2019-10-12 7:49 AM so.......... it appears that this yellow tag is not a d-500 car . No number 3 or 4 under the 36 data bank. Still waiting to see a cowl data tag showing a real d-500 car. Well I was just going by this: "Tom White has reportedly decoded the chassis number as a genuine Super D-500. This L.A.-built car has the chassis number at the top of the VIN tag, while examples built in Hamtrack, Michigan put the chassis number in the door jamb. Photos from Tom White’s restoration of the car can be viewed in the gallery." and these articles https://www.hemmings.com/blog/article/dodge-drama-1959-custom-royal-... https://www.hemmings.com/blog/article/dodge-drama-1959-custom-royal-... | ||
ronbo97 |
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | 56D500boy - 2019-10-11 9:17 PM dodge59 - 2019-10-11 5:47 PM yeah .........I wish some of the 1959 d-500 owners would chime in and varify the number (9) in jam id plate. then we would know for sure. Ronbo says the (9) does not exist. not too many real d-500 out there anyway. Here is the cowl tag on what is supposedly a real dual quad D500 and the VIN starts with M352 = 59 Dodge Custom Royal built at Dodge Main. REFERENCE: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1959-dodge-custom-royal-lancer-sup... :)Dude - The D-500 option is NOT coded in the VIN number. Period. The yellow CRL convertible, which later became yellow/black was a 361 4-bbl that became a Super D500 with an engine swap to a 383, and built to Super D500 specs. How do I know this ? I've known the (former) owner that had the car restored by Tom White, for over 20 years. The quote that Tom White decoded it as a Super D500 is a fabrication. Read the Sept 2007 issue of Hemmings Classic Car. Ron
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dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | Right Ron , appears that guys used several parts cars to make one . but not a real Super - D. | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9908 Location: Lower Mainland BC | ronbo97 - 2019-10-12 5:51 PM Dude - The D-500 option is NOT coded in the VIN number. Period. As dodge59 has previously requested and now me, Can someone (Ron, you know so much), please post a photo of a real 59 Dodge D-500 VIN and data plate so we/I can be completely schooled with proper references. (Sorry, I don't have a 2007 issue of Hemmings to confirm/deny the history of the yellow/black convertible.) Thanks. Edited by 56D500boy 2019-10-12 9:32 PM | ||
ronbo97 |
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | Here ya go...
(Bob Bond's 59 Dodge Conv Data Plate copy.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Bob Bond's 59 Dodge Conv Data Plate copy.jpg (478KB - 344 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9908 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Ron: I found a previous thread where both you and Neil (D500Neil) declared a M314 VIN 59 to be a real D-500. Now I am really confused as in I expect the VIN to be M392... http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34200 Edited by 56D500boy 2019-10-12 10:00 PM | ||
ronbo97 |
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | 56D500boy - 2019-10-12 9:31 PM (Sorry, I don't have a 2007 issue of Hemmings to confirm/deny the history of the yellow/black convertible.) Thanks. The first link you posted is that of the article I was referencing. Ron | ||
ronbo97 |
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | M3141xxxxx is a Coronet built in LA. The dataplate had a code indicating D500. LA dataplate is a different animal from all others. Ron | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9908 Location: Lower Mainland BC | ronbo97 - 2019-10-12 7:05 PM M3141xxxxx is a Coronet built in LA. The dataplate had a code indicating D500. LA dataplate is a different animal from all others. Ron So you (Ron) thought M23 = D500 and Neil agreed (with no documentation - makes me crazy). The source of my 59 Dodge D500 confusion is info in the 1959 Mopar parts catalogue which suggests that Ma Mopar had a plan that involved "9" for the Special (sporty) cars, including the D500. I would have expected real D500s to have VINs starting with either M392 (D500 built at Dodge Main) or M394 (D500 built at the LA plant). Edited by 56D500boy 2019-10-13 12:11 PM (1959MoparVINNumberDesignationInfo.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1959MoparVINNumberDesignationInfo.jpg (70KB - 290 downloads) | ||
dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | just need more 1959 d-500 owners to step up and show what there d-500 data plates show. that will settle the dispute. Right ? | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9908 Location: Lower Mainland BC | dodge59 - 2019-10-13 6:17 AM just need more 1959 d-500 owners to step up and show what there d-500 data plates show. that will settle the dispute. Right ? LOL. From what I have now learned and seen, a) there are mostly fake D500s out there and b) real ones are worth so much that the owners would never lower themselves to actually hang out and post here. So don't hold your breath. | ||
dodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1018 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin | yep . that is exactly correct. we'll see if someone comes forward . | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Why is this discussion even happening ? Everybody knows, ALL 59 Dodge convertibles and at least 50% of the coupes were built and sold as Super D500 cars. Duh ! | ||
fivespeedv8 |
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Regular Posts: 68 Location: Seven Valleys, PA | My '59 Dodge Coronet D500 data plate and punched card are in the thread below. note it is also an LA car with the weird, abbreviated plate. http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=68862
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56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9908 Location: Lower Mainland BC | fivespeedv8 - 2019-11-05 9:39 AM My '59 Dodge Coronet D500 data plate and punched card are in the thread below. note it is also an LA car with the weird, abbreviated plate. http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=68862 This? http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=68862 | ||
fivespeedv8 |
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Regular Posts: 68 Location: Seven Valleys, PA | Yes, Dodge59 asked for more D500 owners to post their data plates. So, there's mine - with all the info that has been compiled to date. Edited by fivespeedv8 2019-11-08 12:46 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | here is mine (016.JPG) (019.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 016.JPG (119KB - 315 downloads) 019.JPG (206KB - 303 downloads) | ||
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Member Posts: 9 | better late than never (81BE9229-2519-40A2-BA21-A3CE87E15042.png) Attachments ---------------- 81BE9229-2519-40A2-BA21-A3CE87E15042.png (362KB - 187 downloads) | ||
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