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Forgotten 61
Posted 2018-02-22 9:52 AM (#558610)
Subject: Conversion Upgrade



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Hello fellow FLers. I'm in need of your vast experience with this next project. I'm installing an electronic ignition conversion on the 61 Belv.
I'm sure most of you have done this, but this is my first one and i want to do it right. ( no explosions or fires )
I've already purchased the Mopar kit with orange box. It has instructions but I'd like to hear about other folks experience and installation tips.
I'm upgrading the voltage regulator as well but I don't know how to wire it in the new system. (still has the old original).
Any and all help or assistance would be greatly appreciated. I consider myself still a newbie.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-02-22 10:45 AM (#558612 - in reply to #558610)
Subject: RE: Conversion Upgrade



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I prefer the HEI version better. No need to find a place to mount a box on your car. I make and sell this: http://www.designed2drive.com

I am not sure which box version you have. The 5 pin version wiring diagram looks like this



(Dual Ballast diagram.jpg)



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Powerflite
Posted 2018-02-22 4:40 PM (#558633 - in reply to #558610)
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Here is the 4 pin.



(ignition-wiring-diagram.jpg)



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Forgotten 61
Posted 2018-02-22 6:45 PM (#558640 - in reply to #558610)
Subject: RE: Conversion Upgrade



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Thanks Powerflite, I have the 4 pin single ballast system purchased from Mopar. How does the new voltage regulator get wired in ?
I'm getting rid of the original which has different wire connectors on it. The new one has a 2 pin plug connector.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-02-22 6:52 PM (#558641 - in reply to #558610)
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Follow the diagram for the 5 pin connector to get your alternator wired up. There is also a main power line that isn't shown there.
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Forgotten 61
Posted 2018-02-22 7:04 PM (#558642 - in reply to #558610)
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this is the part that's confusing. It's a single ballast so it's not like the 5-pin schematic, and I don't know what you mean my power wire.
Do I have to buy or make the 2 wire connector for the regulator ? the new one I have didn't come with it.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-02-22 7:35 PM (#558644 - in reply to #558610)
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You can purchase the connector. Ebay is one source. Just wire up the alternator part in the diagram and ignore the rest. The blue line will go to the "splice" point on the 4 pin diagram.
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57chizler
Posted 2018-02-23 3:20 PM (#558698 - in reply to #558644)
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Be aware that the voltage regulator pictured only works with the '70 and later "dual field" alternator. If the alternator is the earlier single field style, the blue "IGN" terminal on the regulator is ignition RUN power.
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Posted 2018-02-23 6:16 PM (#558719 - in reply to #558610)
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The voltage reg wiring is not required to make the ignition work, its just a "T" off on the ignition wire

That particular alternator is not dual field, its just not internally earthed like the earlier ones.

The earlier alternators have ignition (blue) going into the regulator, then out to the F terminal on the alternator and grounded internally

The one pictured above is exactly the same except it has a field + and field - terminals and the green wire (field -) goes up to the reg

They are both "Ignition run" wires, the brown dotted wire is the ignition bypass wire, used to bypass the ballast during cranking



Personally, I don't understand why anyone still uses the old mopar type electronic ignition.

They were troublesome when new, lots of extra wiring and extra stuff mounted in the engine bay.

Distributors with inbuilt ignition modules are far neater, just (if not better) as reliable and if you really want, you can get ones with the coil built into the cap (I think I saw that style)

I prefer the coil outside the cap though

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Forgotten 61
Posted 2018-02-23 6:35 PM (#558721 - in reply to #558610)
Subject: RE: Conversion Upgrade



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The alt. I'm using is a dual field from a '72 Challenger, the motor is a '64, and Belvy is a '61.
I'm going to be working on it this weekend. I really appreciate everyone's help and input, especially the diagrams. That's one of the reasons I'm glad I joined this network.
Electrical is not my strong suit, I'm more nuts and bolts, but I think I can do this.
Thanks again. Phil.
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Forgotten 61
Posted 2018-02-24 8:13 AM (#558751 - in reply to #558610)
Subject: RE: Conversion Upgrade



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The harness on the car has 3 terminals. The battery stud, a brown ground , and a green field. Will I have to run another wire from the the other field terminal on the alt to the regulator ?
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sermey
Posted 2018-03-09 11:42 AM (#559524 - in reply to #558610)
Subject: RE: Conversion Upgrade


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Forgotten 61 - 2018-02-22 3:52 PM . . . .  I've already purchased the Mopar kit with orange box. It has instructions but I'd like to hear about other folks experience and installation tips. . . .

This here is a conversion with the orange kit:

Viewing a thread - My Electronic Ignition Conversion DODGE 1959


http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=27487&posts=30&start1

 

Unbelievable: 03 Schematic 1959 Dodge Electronic Ignition SM.jpg have been downloaded 10490 times!  - SERGE -



Edited by sermey 2018-03-09 11:56 AM
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Forgotten 61
Posted 2018-03-09 4:26 PM (#559537 - in reply to #558610)
Subject: RE: Conversion Upgrade



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Thanks, sermey. This was very helpful. Thanks to all.
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