56D500boy	Posted 2018-04-02 2:18 PM (#560960 - in reply to #559522)  Subject: Re: FWL Magazine Scans Ultimate Thread
Online Expert 5K+ Posts: 6246 Location: Lower Mainland BC	Hemmings Classic Car June 2007  Too bad that Hemmings doesn't always get everything 100% correct, e.g. what they called the D500 315 hemi engine.  But this one does talk about the 218 hp 2bbl, single exhaust 315 poly as being the Super Red Ram.

     I have read your Hemming magazine article that you have downloaded, which I thought was quite interesting. But, I do not see anywhere that the author had stated that this particular 1956 Dodge Custom Royal car that is shown in his article, has the D500 315 Hemi engine. Although, I see that the author mentions that it was an option in mid-year of 1956 and he also mentions that the most noteworthy changes for 1956 was the Hemi engine V-8 (both remarks stated on page 34) ? Could you please explain what you are talking about ?

Thanks 56D500boy for your replies. 

1) My name is Scott, but my username is Chryslerman101 and NOT Chrycoman101. I am new to this site, but I have been a member of the AACA website for a very long time, which is also a very informative forum with a lot of bright people on it.

2) You had switched the Hemmings article to August 2009, for the original Hemmings article that you had posted on this thread was from a Hemmings June 2007 magazine article and by your comments it left the impression that its author was not factually correct ?

3) The newly added Hemmings August 2009 article that you have just downloaded, does state the fact that "The Super Powered Super Red Ram" was a 315 cu. in. HEMI with a single four barrel carb pumping out 260 hp ? I have seen quite a few pieces of "early 1956" literature and articles which say the samething. I think that I read somewhere that Dodge had originally called it the Super Powered Super Red Ram 315 cu. in. HEMI engine, and later on its marketing department had changed it to simply the D-500 option. Even more confusing is the fact that the 1955 Dodge Custom Royal V-8 cars had a Super Red Ram HEMI engine, then in 1956 the Super Red Ram engine became a poly engine ??

I have found another article which says the samething as the August 2009 Hemmings article, and it is written by the Auto Editors of the Consumer Guide.

I have been a subscriber of Hemmings magazines and a lot of other magazine publications for a very long time (since 2005), and I think that they have a lot of great writers, including Jeff Koch who is a Chrysler engineer and writes a lot of great articles for Hemmings publications. Can Hemmings magazines sometimes make a mistake, sure ?  I have also seen a lot of other newspapers and magazines make some errors or mistakes, including the major ones like Motor Trend, Road & Track, etc. But, just because you find one or two mistakes, that does not mean that they are a bad or not an accurate publication, like the Hollywood tabloids. If that was the case, then Hemmings publications would not of been in business since 1954 and I also do enjoy reading its magazines.

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/1955-1956-dodge-d-500.htm

(Auto Editors Consumer Guide 1955-1956 Dodge D-500 - HowStuffWorks - auto.howstuffworks.com.jpg)

Auto Editors Consumer Guide 1955-1956 Dodge D-500 - HowStuffWorks - auto.howstuffworks.com.jpg (232KB - 383 downloads)

      Thanks 56D500boy for your detailed explanation, which you had cleared up some of the confusion that Dodge had created. But, I doubt that any automotive magazine writer will be able to get it totally correct ? I would think that it would be better to designate its engines by just calling it a HEMI and its motor's HORSEPOWER, which Dodge did in 1964 with some of its stock muscle race cars with the 426 Hemi high-performance V-8 engines and also with its 1966 street version stock muscle car Dodge models. 

It looks like Dodge like the word "SUPER," which they had used for its 1955 SUPER Red Ram Hemi engine, 1956 SUPER Red Ram Poly engine, 1956 SUPER Powered SUPER Red Ram Poly engine, and 1957 SUPER D-500 Hemi engines.

To add further confusion, I found this additional information from the Allpar website, which I also think it has very comprehensive and informative materials that are published on this site and that I also enjoy reading very much.

Supposedly, a 3rd bulletin release letter was issued by Dodge on March 9th, 1956, about new changes for the D-500s ....

"On March 9, 1956 there was an announcement that boded ill for the D-500: the D-500 Special using standard Dodge suspension springs and 11-inch brakes. That was part of a letter that was released on March 9, 1956, reading, “We recently extended the availability of this equipment to include all V8 models and body types.” It confused the identity of the freshly minted D-500.

One issue was adding the potent engine to the Royal (V8 model) that the D-500 was never intended for. The D-500 was only intended for the Custom Royal and the Coronet, period. Now the Royal line was part of the D-500 series.

Just think of the mess that would have been made of the C300 if Chrysler had offered a C300 motor package in a 4 door sedan Winsor or a station wagon or worse yet, in anything, across the board. Well , that's what happen to the D-500 when the D-500 special was offered across the board, to include the 4 door sedan and 4 door hardtop Lancers and station wagons (bulletin B-J14) . The source of this information is B. J. Nichols (Feb. 28, 1993) ."

https://www.allpar.com/model/d500.html

Also, I don't think that you should blame a Hemmings magazine article about the minor miswording with regards to the proper name use for the 1956 D-500 Hemi engine. Instead, I would blame Dodge for all the mess and confusion, which they had caused with all of its poorly communicated press and bulletin releases.

Thanks for all your information and downloads, which was very informative and interesting.

Thanks 56D500boy for your information and links that you have provided.

       But, I am just wondering why the 1956 Dodge D-500 brochure, which you have kindly downloaded onto this site, that nowhere that it is mentioned that its 260 hp 315 cu. in. engine is a "Hemi".  In fact, you have also downloaded (2) other 1956 Dodge D-500 ads onto this site and neither one of them has mentioned the fact that its engine is a "Hemi" engine ? However, the 1955 Dodge brochure clearly shows a photo and explains its Super Red Ram and Red Ram as being Hemi engines. 

Although, I do see that it mentions the word "Hemi" in the (one) December 1955 Dodge confidential price list for dealers only, which you have provided. So my question for you is, why do think think that Dodge would not mention the fact that it had a "Hemi" engine in any of its 1956 D-500 brochures or in its advertisements ?

Last, I have a stack of old Motor Life magazines that was published by the Petersen Publishing company, which was also the same publisher for the the Motor Trend magazines. I had noticed that you have down loaded (2) different issues of Motor Life magazines onto this thread and I am wondering if you think that its magazine article's information is accurate, for I know that you do not think that Hemmings magazine articles are so accurate ? Btw, I also love reading all my old issues of Motor Life magazines and this particular magazine publication is also shown as being one the the "experts" and it is listed on the back page of your 1956 Dodge D-500 brochure.

(56DodgeD-500Brochure_Cover.jpg)

(1956 Dodge D500 Brochure InsidePg3_small.jpg)

(D500BrochureInsidePg4_small.jpg)

(D500BrochureBackCover_small.jpg)

(1955 Dodge- brochure.jpg)

56DodgeD-500Brochure_Cover.jpg (67KB - 389 downloads)

1956 Dodge D500 Brochure InsidePg3_small.jpg (231KB - 370 downloads)

D500BrochureInsidePg4_small.jpg (274KB - 379 downloads)

D500BrochureBackCover_small.jpg (235KB - 390 downloads)

1955 Dodge- brochure.jpg (250KB - 386 downloads)

Huh ???

            56D500boy, I don't see how the latest information that you have given, answers the (two) above questions that are highlighted in red  and which I have previously asked you ? 

Hello 56D500boy,

The word "Hemi" head engine and Hemispherical combustion chamber engine means the samething, just like the word "Poly" head engine and Polyspherical combustion chamber engine. I am also aware of the information on the 1964 Dodge HEMI engines, which I have already stated some of its info. earlier in this thread.

I still feel that you were very vague in answering my two original questions that I have asked you. So, therefore I will rephase my questions that I currently have for you.

1) Why do you think that Dodge never mentions the word "Hemispherical" anywhere in its 1956 Dodge D-500 Brochure and also in the two different 1956 Dodge D-500 Advertisements that you have downloaded onto this site, when Dodge clearly shows its Hemisperical combustion chamber engine photo and its information in the 1953, 1954, 1955, and even in the 1957 brochures ?

2) Do you think that the two "Motor Life" magazine Dodge D-500 articles that you have downloaded onto this thread is 100% accurate, which Dodge also had listed this particular magazine publication as one of the "experts" in its 1956 Dodge D-500 brochure ?

I hope that I have made the above questions for you, more clearer and specific. 

(1953 dodge brochure.jpg)

1953 dodge brochure.jpg (273KB - 376 downloads)

Thanks 56D500boy, for downloading the Chrysler Power Magazine article page which was written by Chrysler's engineer Fred Jennings and it was about Chrysler's first designed Hemi engine (XI-2220) that was used in a Republic XP-47H test fighter "aircraft" during the end of WWII. I was able to find your original thread that you had downloaded the entire article and I was able to read the whole article. 

I thought that it was very interesting about Chrysler's early 1940s historic Hemi engine information and I also found it to be a well written and very informative magazine article !

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=74095&posts=3&start=1