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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-15 10:57 PM (#550358)
Subject: Installation of a new gas pedal in a 56 Dodge



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A few weeks ago, I purchased a new grey gas pedal to replace my original (I presume) grey but deteriorating gas pedal in my 56 Dodge.

This one:



While I was improving the condition of my driver's footwell today, I had a quick look at the existing pedal. Conclusion was I don't know a few things about it:

1. How many bolts are holding down the pedal box (looks like I have 2 missing)?

2. Is there a water tight gasket involved? I can see daylight at the base of the pedal. (Do I need the 1611 621 seal shown below?)

3. Can I do the install of the new gas pedal from above or am I going to have to do it from below?

This is my existing pedal as of late this afternoon. (Yes I need two new bolts (actually screws) for the inspection panel).



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-10-16 12:01 PM




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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-17 2:05 AM (#550439 - in reply to #550358)
Subject: RE: Installation of a new gas pedal in a 56 Dodge



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I've decided to remove the inspection panel/plate show in the photo to

a) correct some surface rust on its inner edge and

b) hopefully gain more insight into the workings of the gas pedal.

I presume that I need to do something with the washer pump (hiding under the blob of green masking tape above the left end of the Power Brake pedal) (??)

PS: I found some Geno 11-2988 (Auveco 2988) 14 x 3/4" metal screws that I think are a pretty good match to the OE plate screws.



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-10-17 2:07 AM
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DepsilonD
Posted 2017-10-17 11:54 AM (#550462 - in reply to #550358)
Subject: Re: Installation of a new gas pedal in a 56 Dodge



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I did install a new gas and brake pedal about a year and a half ago. I think I was able to push the pedal towards the drivers seat and access the one screw that holds it in but it is all very hazy.
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-17 5:45 PM (#550499 - in reply to #550462)
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DepsilonD - 2017-10-17 11:54 AM
I did install a new gas and brake pedal about a year and a half ago. I think I was able to push the pedal towards the drivers seat and access the one screw that holds it in but it is all very hazy.


Turns out you were close. I removed the three 7/16" head machine screws that hold the base of the throttle lever to the car and then was able to twist the pedal enough to see what Heck was going on (with the aid of a mirror). One 7/16" nut to a stud on the back of the pedal. The tab at the bottom of the pedal slips over a pin at the base of the throttle lever as a locator. No screw there.

Now I want to remove the entire lever to figure out/repair/McGyver a boot but I can't remember how the "ball" joint/pin (at 14-07-18 in the bottom diagram) from the lever to the throttle linkage attaches. I see a nut but I am nut sure how I will hold the pin.

On a related note: I thought I was missing 2 bolts in the base of the throttle lever. Wrong. There are 5 holes but there are only 3 thread bosses (captured nuts) attached to the body under the base. Good news.





Edited by 56D500boy 2017-10-17 5:50 PM
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-17 7:31 PM (#550508 - in reply to #550499)
Subject: Re: Installation of a new gas pedal in a 56 Dodge



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56D500boy - 2017-10-17 5:45 PM
Now I want to remove the entire lever to figure out/repair/McGyver a boot but I can't remember how the "ball" joint/pin (at 14-07-18 in the bottom diagram) from the lever to the throttle linkage attaches. I see a nut but I am nut sure how I will hold the pin.


Called my NOS parts guy for hints. He said the pin will have two flats that I will have to hold as I break the nut free. The nut was 7/16" and I just tried it with my tiny 1/4" drive rachet and it broke loose. Didn't have to hold the "flats" on the pin. After I cleaned it up, it turns out the "flats" are actually a 5/16" hex. Which I will have hold when I reinstall the lever.

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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-17 9:31 PM (#550514 - in reply to #550508)
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Just tried the new gray gas pedal on the freshly repainted throttle lever. It's going to be fine. The stud on the back lines up great with the hole in the lever end. The tab at the lower end of the pedal will have to be bent so it goes over the "nub"/pin on the lower part of the lever.

Now to work on a boot solution.



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-10-17 9:32 PM
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ronbo97
Posted 2017-10-17 9:51 PM (#550515 - in reply to #550514)
Subject: Re: Installation of a new gas pedal in a 56 Dodge


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The 14-01-22 seal in the diagram is available from Gary Goers. His repro part isn't perfect. But you can get it to work. You should have this to keep water out of the foot well.

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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-17 11:04 PM (#550521 - in reply to #550515)
Subject: Re: Installation of a new gas pedal in a 56 Dodge



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ronbo97 - 2017-10-17 9:51 PM
The 14-01-22 seal in the diagram is available from Gary Goers. His repro part isn't perfect. But you can get it to work. You should have this to keep water out of the foot well.


I appreciate the Gary Goers lead but I am not waiting months and months for that seal. I will come up with a perfectly fine solution before the weekend (carpet is arriving Monday). Maybe another Mercury Marine bellows like I used on my cowl vent rod.



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-10-17 11:06 PM
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-19 8:39 PM (#550638 - in reply to #550521)
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The new Mercury Marine shift bellows came in and I've tried it on the gas pedal lever. Need one minor trim. I also cut away most of the crumbling OE boot. With the trimming, the Mercury Marine boot/bellows fit over the gas pedal lever and up to the bottom of the seal. One issue that I didn't foresee is the OE boot and seal was made of a very thin rubber that folded easily. The Mercury Marine boot/belows is much thicker and stiffer. Depending on the strength of the throttle return spring, it might cause gas pedal "sticking" (NOT a good thing). I will continue on with this trial but might have to give up in defeat if there are "unintentional consequences".

Sometimes when you are "pushing the envelope" (LOL), you might end of with paper cuts.

Even McGyver had failures.





Edited by 56D500boy 2017-10-19 8:46 PM




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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-24 2:24 PM (#550950 - in reply to #550638)
Subject: Re: Installation of a new gas pedal in a 56 Dodge



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56D500boy - 2017-10-19 8:39 PM The Mercury Marine boot/belows is much thicker and stiffer. Depending on the strength of the throttle return spring, it might cause gas pedal "sticking" (NOT a good thing). I will continue on with this trial but might have to give up in defeat if there are "unintentional consequences".
Sometimes when you are "pushing the envelope" (LOL), you might end of with paper cuts.
Even McGyver had failures.


I trimmed the first Mercury Marine boot significantly and failed because what remained was too narrow to fit over the mechanism (didn't see that one coming). Luckily I had a second boot and trimmed it on an angle but still leaving the wide bit- better but now the issue is attaching it to the flat gasket (cut out a roof vent rubber flange that I used on my taillight project). That required changing an initial round hole to a rectangular hole to eliminate binding. Not confident that I am going to win this one. Looking at Plans B (some 55-56-57 Chevy part) and C (Gary Goers).

Gotta try things.

Edited by 56D500boy 2017-10-24 2:25 PM
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-24 2:56 PM (#550951 - in reply to #550950)
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56D500boy - 2017-10-24 2:24 PM Not confident that I am going to win this one. Looking at Plans B (some 55-56-57 Chevy part) and C (Gary Goers).
Gotta try things. ;)


Plan B = failure, both 55-57 Chevy and Ford go through the firewall so no equivalent gasket that I could pick up a the local "Old Car Center" 30 minutes away.

Plan C = I found Item 263 in Gary Goers pdf catalogue and have emailed Gary Goers to see if he has any available for sure. Hoping that there will be a reply.

In the meantime, I will carry on with the Mercury Marine boot option (somehow).



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-10-24 3:32 PM
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DepsilonD
Posted 2017-10-24 4:57 PM (#550971 - in reply to #550358)
Subject: Re: Installation of a new gas pedal in a 56 Dodge



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Dave,

Gary Goers does not respond to emails. You have to basically mail your check and order form in according to his catalogue with sufficient shipping and he will refund any difference when he ships your order out. Fax and snail mail are generally the only way he communicates. If he doesn't have the boot available and doesn't plan to make them anytime soon, he will refund your money.
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-24 5:41 PM (#550972 - in reply to #550971)
Subject: Re: Installation of a new gas pedal in a 56 Dodge



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DepsilonD - 2017-10-24 4:57 PM Dave, Gary Goers does not respond to emails. You have to basically mail your check and order form in according to his catalogue with sufficient shipping and he will refund any difference when he ships your order out. Fax and snail mail are generally the only way he communicates. If he doesn't have the boot available and doesn't plan to make them anytime soon, he will refund your money.


Well, that is a real modern way to do business.

Which is why I was going to avoid and now I am definitely going to avoid the Gary Goers option. I am not going to hold up my project waiting, perhaps in vain, for a response or a part, some time, maybe, if he feels like it . (Yes, I know about his health issues but all the same it is 2017 not 1917 or 1957 or 1967)



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-10-24 5:43 PM
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DepsilonD
Posted 2017-10-25 1:45 PM (#551023 - in reply to #550358)
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I personally consider Gary Goer's the greatest asset to our Forward Look cars on the planet. I also understand that his business model does not meet modern expectations but his honesty, prices, and products exceed them. Just my 2 cents.
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Posted 2017-10-25 2:37 PM (#551025 - in reply to #550358)
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My last two orders to Gary Goers were for numerous '56 Plymouth rubber parts. Both were filled and received within two weeks. Another order required shipping a brake pedal core to replace the rubber. It took a little over two weeks from the day I sent the core. In years past, I can recall only one time he didn't have a part in stock, and he refunded my payment immediately.

I'm surprised when I hear someone has a problem with him, but I've never had reason to email, phone, or write questions. Without him, most of the parts I bought would not be available anywhere at any price.
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-10-26 8:47 PM (#551133 - in reply to #550972)
Subject: Re: Installation of a new gas pedal in a 56 Dodge



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56D500boy - 2017-10-24 5:41 PM
Which is why I was going to avoid and now I am definitely going to avoid the Gary Goers option. I am not going to hold up my project waiting, perhaps in vain, for a response or a part, some time, maybe, if he feels like it . (Yes, I know about his health issues but all the same it is 2017 not 1917 or 1957 or 1967)


Well surprise surprise. Gary Goers replied to my email which is amazing I guess. He says he has the boots in stock. So tomorrow I will somehow mail off the required funds and keep my fingers crossed. At least the outlay will be orders of magnitude(ish) less than what I entrusted with George Laurie.

In the meantime, I had carried on with the Mercury Marine boot solution. After failing on the first boot (trimmed too much), I trimmed the second (free) boot on an angle and sealed it to a piece of the EDM rubber/plastic roof vent material that I bought months ago. I used Permatex black silicone sealant to "seal"/attach the boot the to EDMP material. I let it set for more than 24 hrs and then added some more this AM (more cosmetic than structural). I had to open up the hole that I had created in the EDMP to eliminate some binding. When I was happy, I outlined the edge of the gasket and cut it with scissors. Then I punched the three holes for the bolts with a single hole paper punch (worked great).

Then I went out to the car and installed it. Had to use a 5/16" wrench to hold the threaded pin on the throttle linkage as I tightened the 7/16" nut with my 1/4" mini ratchet and socket (all this with the inspection plate off). Then I attached the throttle base to the car with the three 7/16" OE bolts. Seemed to be good.

I then tried to attach my new gray ebay gas pedal to the rehabbed base and discovered that the OE pedal used a fine thread and the repop used a coarser thread. So I installed the old pedal temporarily and started the car. No issues with the pedal and/or boot/gasket at the moment. No issues with the throttle returning to full idle position (that spring up top is strong). Couldn't tell if there was any binding due to the modified Mercury Marine boot or not. Seemed fine.

Here are the photos from today.



Edited by 56D500boy 2017-10-26 8:51 PM




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