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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | One of the most honest, and very funny - descriptions of a used car I've ever read! Looks like someone installed a Cadillac Autronic Eye (auto headlight dimmer) in the car at some point. What's with the VIN #? **1718 ????
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Location: Kansas City, KS | Definitely have to give credit to the seller for a realistic auction.
I bet this is the first time a complete (albeit very rusty) 300D has ever been listed with a $900 opening bid and no reserve!
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Location: Connecticut | imopar380 - 2015-06-25 12:42 PM One of the most honest, and very funny - descriptions of a used car I've ever read! Looks like someone installed a Cadillac Autronic Eye (auto headlight dimmer) in the car at some point. What's with the VIN #? **1718 ???? My friend and I were reading this one out loud last night and laughing. VIN is LC4 1718. You see that on the VIN tag on the A-post. This will probably hit 5K, IMHO. I'd be seriously interested if this was a 300C. I have the perfect parts car to go with it. Ron |
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | Darn, Now that it's out, I will never get one! Oh well it's tan anyway, May as well get a FURY. It would look great in Cobalt with a Brick interior. |
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Location: Eastern Iowa | Looks like it's fresh out of "Darnel's" back lot!! |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Makes the 57 Imp I scrapped for steel because it was too far gone look like a cream puff. Yikes! |
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Location: So. Cal | What are those 2 electronic boxes behind the A/C compressor and the vacuum tank? Never seen those before. |
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Location: Muskego, WI | If the car is still in the Racine, WI area that is very close to me. I may have to go have a look, I'm curious if this is a car I knew about when I was a kid in the 80s and then it suddenly disappeared? |
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Location: Upstate NY | This is one of those cars that would be great if you had another to make a good one. I guess I see some value. Rust is so prevalent in the East. |
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| This car reminds me of a 1958 Fury I bought a while ago, it sat on a farm in auburn Indiana for years owned by an old man that would never sell it .Many people tried to save that car he would never sell it .It had power windows and sat with the drivers window down for years ,the window switch wouldn't work ,I jumped the switch the window went up the old man finally got Cancer ,but it was too late for the Fury it became just a parts car and got cut up for parts .Yet another great car Wasted .That's a shame a lot like this Chrysler . |
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Location: Arizona | The gizmo by the brake booster is the cruise control. Don't know what the box on the passenger side is. I didn't think the cc needed any other "boxes" but perhaps it's also part of the cc system. |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Thanks, powerflite, for posting those engine pics.
Check out the wiring going to the compressor clutch. There are two wires coming out of the protective loom, one will be 18ga light blue and the other 14 ga brown. Most of us have seen these two wires terminate at the duplex connector. NOBODY I KNOW, KNOWS WHAT THE BROWN POWER WIRE IS THERE FOR!!
WELL, here it is, exiting the duplex connector and ACTUALLY going some place!! None of us have ever seen that!!
I know a bunch of people who would like to talk to whoever buys this car for this reason!!
Everything under the hood of that car appears to me to be close to original. I have no idea what that box on the passenger side is for. Perhaps these two unknowns are connected?
Pitch in ANYBODY.
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Is there any possibility that this car could have been EFI converted back to carbs and that box was part of the EFI system? That was a possibility tossed out to explain that 14ga power wire when I was searching for info years ago.
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Location: Ontario, Canada | For further info, that 14ga wire is hot. Runs from the battery terminal of the starter relay into the taped A/C blower harness and ends as shown at the compressor clutch. Highly unlikely that the factory did this for NO reason. This was a 58 thing ONLY. Not used in 57 and certainly not in 59 or later.
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Wayne, Dave, George or Jim, could any of you post those engine pics on the 300 club sites along with my questions?
Sorry, but I don't know how to do that!!
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Location: Sweden | The box on the right inner fender is most likely for the GM autronic eye mounted on the dash
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Location: Arizona | If one of the wires to the compressor is an unswitched hot wire it seems like the only explanation for the second wire would be that it's the ground side of the clutch coil. Presumably there is a switch somewhere that when turned "on" grounds that wire to complete the circuit and engage the compressor. The likely reason to do it that way is that they thought it made more sense to just run a 'hot' wire the relatively short distance from the battery to the compressor rather than routing a wire all the way inside (or from the inside distribution at the light switch which might have made that circuit a little too highly loaded), then it would have had to go thru the AC on-off switch and then back out to the compressor. This probably used less wire and put less load on the rest of the electrical wiring with less worry about something shorting out. If the ground wire shorts out it just turns on the compressor.. not great but at least it won't cause a fire. |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | jimntempe - 2015-06-27 5:43 PM
If one of the wires to the compressor is an unswitched hot wire it seems like the only explanation for the second wire would be that it's the ground side of the clutch coil. Presumably there is a switch somewhere that when turned "on" grounds that wire to complete the circuit and engage the compressor. The likely reason to do it that way is that they thought it made more sense to just run a 'hot' wire the relatively short distance from the battery to the compressor rather than routing a wire all the way inside (or from the inside distribution at the light switch which might have made that circuit a little too highly loaded), then it would have had to go thru the AC on-off switch and then back out to the compressor. This probably used less wire and put less load on the rest of the electrical wiring with less worry about something shorting out. If the ground wire shorts out it just turns on the compressor.. not great but at least it won't cause a fire.
Jim, I appreciate your explanation, but that would involve a special fully insulated electromagnet for the clutch and would require a very different A/C control panel. None of this is supported by my parts books or close to 30 years of experience with 58 Mopars.
Interestingly, that SINGULAR 18 ga light blue compressor clutch power wire was used from 1957 to 1966 and probably later.
This has been a QUESTION for many, many years!! Why, in 58 only, did Chrysler include that brown power wire in that A/C blower harness and do it for no APPARENT reason? I have salvaged harnesses that show that this power wire WAS factory tightened to the BAT terminal of the starter relay. The terminal shows evidence of lock washer scuffing!
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Location: Ontario, Canada | jimntempe - 2015-06-27 5:43 PM
If one of the wires to the compressor is an unswitched hot wire it seems like the only explanation for the second wire would be that it's the ground side of the clutch coil. Presumably there is a switch somewhere that when turned "on" grounds that wire to complete the circuit and engage the compressor. The likely reason to do it that way is that they thought it made more sense to just run a 'hot' wire the relatively short distance from the battery to the compressor rather than routing a wire all the way inside (or from the inside distribution at the light switch which might have made that circuit a little too highly loaded), then it would have had to go thru the AC on-off switch and then back out to the compressor. This probably used less wire and put less load on the rest of the electrical wiring with less worry about something shorting out. If the ground wire shorts out it just turns on the compressor.. not great but at least it won't cause a fire.
Jim, I appreciate your explanation, but that would involve a special fully insulated electromagnet for the clutch and would require a very different A/C control panel. None of this is supported by my parts books or close to 30 years of experience with 58 Mopars.
Interestingly, that SINGULAR 18 ga light blue compressor clutch power wire was used from 1957 to 1966 and probably later.
This has been a QUESTION for many, many years!! Why, in 58 only, did Chrysler include that brown power wire in that A/C blower harness and do it for no APPARENT reason? I have salvaged harnesses that show that this power wire WAS factory tightened to the BAT terminal of the starter relay. The terminal shows evidence of lock washer scuffing!
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Location: bishop, ca | That brown wire probably services the electronic(?) fuel filter system; notice the unique attachment
of the fuel filter.
Maybe the car was meant to operate in the Southern Hemisphere?
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | must have had a ton of torque on those leaf springs . i've only seen one other set bent that bad . yrs ago , my 38 ford pickup , 383 , torqueflite with
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Location: Arizona | LD3 - If it's got one side of the clutch electromagnetic coil hooked directly to the battery I don't see any other option than the coil having its "other end" come out with a "ground terminal" instead of them just soldering it to the frame which is what is of course, far more common. And that's what it looks like in the photo - two wires coming out of the coil to the connector. If someone could get their hands on that car to pin this down.......
I don't see why it would require a different control panel, it would just require that the master switch for the compressor (not the fan part, just the compressor master on-off part, two terminals) be wired to ground rather than to hot.
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Location: Perth Australia | Its not uncommon for ac systems to have an above ground clutch coil
There are numerous ways they can be wired, including, full earth switching, pos switch through the fan switch and the earth switch through the thermostat and/or through a pressure switch
Extra wiring can be overheat protection for the compressor and/or the clutch as well, where a control wire (the pos or the earth wire) are run through a thermal switch or fuse
I am not familiar with this compressor, so theories is about all I can offer
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Location: Ontario, Canada | I think an attempt will be made to check out this car. First to see, if in fact, both wires are running to the clutch and secondly, if in fact, the "brown" wire is to the starter relay battery terminal or is simply going to ground at the relay.
This pic shows what we normally see for 58. Two wires to the connector and only the blue continuing on to the clutch.
Thanks for your help.
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Location: Wichita, Kansas | This car is awesome. I would patch the fenders so you could put headlights in, make it mechanically sound, and drive it around town. I'd especially like to take it to a 300 meet. Just once, because that's about all I could stand. |
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Location: Perth Australia | Patch the fenders, Naaaa, make some brackets to fit some aftermarket headlight (as small as possible) in the void, then drive it to some flash car show
See how many cars move away, just in case that rust is contagious 
The front of that car looks seriously mean, it could inspire a great "B" grade killer car movie
I could see it coughing and spluttering as it drove itself out of a thickly wooded, steamy swamp with weeds and water dripping off it and aiming itself at the teenage campers (that for some reason wanted to camp next to a mosquito infested swamp) ect
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Location: Wichita, Kansas | man, that was one loaded D. a/c, autopilot, pw, p.seat, 7 button radio, rear speaker and defrost. id love to have it...
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Location: Eastern Iowa | 58, You ever been to a 300 meet?
Please explain...."about all I could stand"
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Location: Wichita, Kansas | fins, yes. one. just a bad experience all around. I don't and wont lump all 300 people in the bad category, in fact many are good friends of mine. but, the meet in Scottsdale I went to left a bad taste in my mouth for 300 meets. rude people, wouldn't give me the time of day, etc. in fact I let my 300 clubs memberships expire after that. not being ****y, but I have one of the nicest g's in the country, and I did 90% of the work myself, so I know what I'm looking at and talking about concerning 300s. bottom line, I was treated poorly and washed my hands of the 300 meet world. ill enjoy my d and g solo. |
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Location: Wichita, Kansas | trust me, I don't expect or demand people to be nice, but being completely ignored or talked down to is just out of line, in my opinion. also, pardon the poor punctuation, I have an arm in a cast and typing with one hand is a pain...
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Location: Melbourne, Australia | Its funny you say that about the 300 Club , as my friend owns Don Pettys old Terracotta 600 Chrysler 300F , and that car was way to good to restore . But my friend collected NOS everything for it and had it restored to the highest level . And even though they hadn't seen the car , he said he went to a few and unless you seemed to be a certain age or in their group no one gave you the time of day to talk to .
So he washed his hands of most of the 300 Club people also .
I think maybe people feel threatened when the new kid in town has a better car syndrome , something I will never understand . If someone has more or better cars than me I am the first to be happy for them and want to check them out and give positive comments . Jealousy in the car hobby is rife though ! |
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Location: Wichita, Kansas | I did not have my car there as we were in town for the barrett-Jackson, and I was a late 20s guy with long hair, so two strikes right there, but in my opinion that should not make a difference. im just different, I guess. when I have my 58 limited or other oddball cool car at a show, I talk to anyone that asks about it because I appreciate anyone that has an interest in a car other than a Camaro, chevelle, or tri-5. not so at the 300 meet I went to. they were more interested in showing their cars to their friends, and to heck with interlopers and outsiders. that was just my experience and may not be typical of 300 meets. I will not find out, though, as its a one-and-done with me.
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Location: Kansas City | Unfortunately I think 58 300D and The Adventurer are onto something. The nicer car syndrome is probably an accurate statement. A long time 300 club member named Ben Gaustainian, who is deceased now, once said that the biggest problem with most people in the 300 club was that a lot of them were hot rodders at heart and had no interest in restoring their cars to better than original, most just want to drive them as is or let them sit. There is a large group of guys who own a handful of letter cars, but most are sitting in the same place they were 30 years ago. My grandfather would never let the 300 club judge his D coupe. He always felt like their intent was to find something that was wrong with it and to tell him that it was over restored. None the less, as time goes on one would have to think that it can only get better. If more young blood can get in the club that will help too. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Years ago the 300 guys descended upon me when I showed up with a nice 57
NY'er coupe and my 58 Fireflite convertible. All they were was a bunch of snooty,
arrogant POS's, letting me know in 20 ways that I needed a 300, that both cars
were only good for parts for a 300 build, and on and on. This occurred over several
meets, so it was not an isolated case.
And as they ranted on about what a waste of time and money these cars of mine
were, am thinking "hold on a minute, .... you are suggesting I trash a great yellow
and charcoal NY'er coupe for the purposes of building a monotone car with a tan
interior ???" The response was universal ... sort of a deer-in-the-headlights look,
as if the choice was as obvious as turds in a punchbowl.
The suggestion that I do the same with my DeSoto convertible was beyond absurd.
And while I do like the unique C and D nose design, to give up all the character of a
DeSoto for a monotone car and a big engine is like trading steak for hamburger, in
my book !
And to think with my own 300 that I could then be PART of that crowd ? Oooh ....
yeah, no thanks. I think I'll eat mine right here. Yeah .... 
People have told me "the scene" has changed, but many say it hasn't too. I don't
care. Car shows are for braggarts and people with nothing better to do. Let them
do as they will. It's all good. I'd rather go on a long road trip or work in my shop.
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Location: Arizona | Somebody (Doc) said it! I too find the monotone of that era letter cars somewhat boring. I know some like the monotone look and almost complete lack of trim as a mark of purity but to me it makes the cars rather dull.. which seems like the opposite of what the top of the line performance car should conjure up in one's mind. I feel the same about the all black interiors of so many of today's jellybean cars - dull dull dull, not a spark of life. |
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Location: Wichita, Kansas | monotone, dull, trimless, etc mean zip to me. the front of my 58 screams awesome! that's what sold me on the 300s even though I had a g way before a c/d.
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Location: Eastern Iowa | Well, I'm sorry to hear that from you guys about the 300 Club(s). I have ben a member of the Int'l club now since the late 70's and I will agree to a point about a few of the folks there. However, let me say this...I'm just a working stiff albeit now retired after years on the road. My first exposure to the 300's was in the early 70's when I was on the hunt for a "Kiddy Kar, MoPar of course.
That being said, we wound up with a beautiful 300K Hdtp instead for decent $$ that took 1st in juniors class 1st time out at a 300 meet and we were welcomed w/open arms and have been ever since. And this after minor detailing and touch up work in the engine compt which I DID NOT have "my mechanic" do. I'm sorry, but you cannot lump me (not saying that anyone has) in with the trailer queen crowd. We drive our cars, the F in my avatar has been on the road since I got it back together in the 80's after being rescued from the grave. I did all of it myself except for the paint and we have close to 40K on the clock since. It will be making the trek to PA later this month should any of you make the Macungie meet, I can guarantee you I will not give you the cold shoulder!
That's all I have to say about that.
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Location: Wichita, Kansas | fins, you probably know john hannon, then. I have his white d that the hood flew up on when he was drivivg to the infamous Scottsdale meet. ive put over 80k miles on the beast. it would be short sighted and wrong to lump all 300 meet people in the same negative group, but just for me it was not fun, so it was a one and done. I will say, to me the 58 d coupe is one of if not the best looking fwdlk mopar, right next to the 59 dodge coupe. |
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| I'm waiting for a 300 club member to point out my 300C has 300D hubcaps on it. My C hubcaps are being redone and put the D's on since it's not coming to Carlisle. I've watched them throw fits over my dad's G car with the 5.7 hemi in it. Of course he's put 50k miles on that car in 5 years, while putting over 60k on his 62 lebaron. The C car has a license plate that says 1 of 35, I'm sure that will ruffle some feathers. It's champagne gold that the previous owner had metal flake put in. It's not original so I'm sure I will be looked down upon for that. It's a shame that a few bad apples ruin that club. I've met some great people in the 300 club, but the bad apples keep me from wanting to be an active member. Which is a shame, have 4 letter cars. |
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what they are. I just like the more colorful and playful colors, interiors, and sidetrim
colors sweeps of cars like the 56 Custom Royal and 57-58 DeSoto that much more.
The F and G are wonderful too. Super slippery ! If I had cubic dollars and unlimited
time, I'd certainly chase down a 300 or two. But things being what they are, I consider
myself a lucky SOB to have what I have (which always was my first choice), and I can
still justify to myself why I chose what I did and be happy with it. But make no mistake
about it, if I found a B-C-D in a barn for chump change, I'd be all over it like flies on stink !!!
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To you maybe, but historical fact tells us that the 300's were the king of the hill. There was great planning, foresight and engineering brilliance in Chrysler building the NASCAR proven 300's from the initial Pan Am road race cars of the early 50's to the prototype and production of the '55 C300 which under Kiekhaefer and others cleaned up making history on the beach, road circuits, dirt tracks. Such advancements as the paper air cleaner, professional race teams, tire, suspension, wheel, exhaust enhancements. All because of the 300.
Without the 300, Chrysler, DeSoto, Dodge, Plymouth could have been just another ho-hum brand point A to point B car.
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Yeah, well, I too like the simple monotone, trim less look of C and D but I also like the excessives of a Regal Lancer with SS ornaments!!! No accounting for taste huh?!
I joined the 300 club int'n in the very late 80s. I soon attended my first meet driving a Chev! My wife came with me with a lawn chair and lots of books to read while I did the boring car guy stuff!
GUESS WHAT. We were greeted with open arms even though they all knew I was a Dodge guy first and foremost. Sue never got to read any of her books. Her days were fully occupied and I just did car stuff! It doesn't get any better!
GUESS WHAT. From that meet onward, Sue checks on the future meets, makes reservations and rearranges things to try to accommodate our timetable to attend if possible. It doesn't get any better!
GUESS WHAT. We have many solid friends met through the club and frequently see some between meets. We went for the cars and keep going back for the PEOPLE. It doesn't get any better!
Like Dave, I too am sorry for your bad experiences. We like old cars, we like friends, we like to talk to people, we like to tell stories and we like to party!! Try us again ----- I think you will be happy that you did.
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