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Adventurer 60 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 827 Location: tailFinland | Where to find old school lence-type expansion plugs to 413 engine and heads? Cup stule plugs just do no work. Searched internet but was unable ot find any set | ||
60 dart |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | are you meaning , saucer style . are they 1 5/8" . if not , what size is the hole------------------------------------------------later | ||
Adventurer 60 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 827 Location: tailFinland | Yep, 1 5/8 (heads) and 1 3/8 (block) if I remember correct. | ||
60 Imp |
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Location: North Australia | Jari, 1 5/8 (6 off in the block). Don't accept anything less than the Hot Hemi Heads stainless steel plugs. I have installed the original type (convex disc type) in my engine and will pull them out and install the HHH plugs at some point. The heads have 1 3/8 disc type plugs (4 off). Here is the HHH block plugs. http://www.hothemiheads.com/main_caps/freeze_plugs_stainless.html If you want to use the original style, this English company supplied the ones in my engine currently' The plugs supplied are about .015" thicker than the originals I pulled out, so are probably good plugs. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Freez-Dish-Core-Plug-41-28mm-1-5-8-42mm-44-... here is an ebay source for the head plugs. http://www.ebay.com/itm/171287098954?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trks... here is one part of my story with the old disc type plug malady, still to be finalised. http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=51710&... Steve. | ||
Adventurer 60 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 827 Location: tailFinland | Thanks Steve for the info! | ||
60 dart |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | tail fin , the biggest thing in replacing the saucer ones is , don't be afraid of them , peen them in real good , all even . if you do , they won't leak or blow out -----------------------------------later | ||
Direwolfe |
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Member Posts: 16 | I resurrect this thread because I have a related question. I'm looking for the plug that goes behind the camshaft. The engine shop tells me that this has a stepped bore like the block freeze plugs and thus needs a disc type plug. I believe the bore size is 2 9/64 like the later cup style bores. Anyone know a source? Thanks. | ||
Direwolfe |
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Member Posts: 16 | Oh, this is for a '61 413. | ||
mstrug |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6502 Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | https://www.summitracing.com/search/make/chrysler/engine-family/mopa... 413/department/engines-components/section/engine-blocks-accessories?N=4294951332%2B4294951315%2B4294931311%2B4294949512%2B4294949475&SortBy=Default&So 931311%2B4294949512%2B4294949475&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-555-065/overview/make/chrysle... https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpe-114br/overview/make/chrys... http://www.jegs.com/i/Mopar-Performance/312/P5249708/10002/-1 http://store.440source.com/Engine-Block-Hardware/products/38/ http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Engine/freeze.htm Edited by mstrug 2017-10-22 11:44 AM | ||
Direwolfe |
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Member Posts: 16 | The block has stepped bores so a cup style won't work. Machinist says we need the Welch style disc. Every place advertises their cupped plugs as fitting early 413's but it ain't so. Edited by Direwolfe 2017-10-22 12:58 PM | ||
wayfarer |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 888 Location: Peoples Republic of Oregon | Everything that you need to know about core plugs is here: https://www.seastrom-mfg.com/subcategories.aspx?pl=Expansion+Plu... | ||
Direwolfe |
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Member Posts: 16 | The sides of the block are 1 5/8". I thought the bore for the cam plug was the same diameter as the later RB blocks but couldn't find a 2 9/64 concave disc. Looking up the Chrysler part number for the early 413 plug and cross referencing for equivalents seems a 2 1/8 Welch plug will fit the early 413's as well as some late 50's Chrysler v-8's. Thanks. | ||
57chizler |
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Expert Posts: 3778 Location: NorCal | Do yourself a favor and install them correctly, not the old "ball peen hammer 'em in" way. http://hubbardspring.com/install_reco.php?cid=45 | ||
mstrug |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6502 Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-555-076 Dorman 555-076 Steel Cup Expansion Plug 2-9/64 In. SC, Height 0.350 https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-555-065 Dorman 555-065 steel Cup Expansion Plug 2-9/64 In., Height 0.432 | ||
mstrug |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6502 Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | https://www.morris4x4center.com/plug-camshaft-2-9-64-diam-4-2l-258-5... http://www.enginemaster.com.au/pioneer-rear-cam-plug-2-9-64-piepc-8... https://www.ebay.com/itm/54-4mm-2-9-64-034-2-14-034-Steel-Freeze-Exp... https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/dorman-autograde-3358/engine-part... http://freezeplugfactory.com/expansion-plug-size-chart/ https://www.dormanproducts.com/c-250-cup-type-expansion-plugs.aspx https://www.dormanhdsolutions.com/p-303-555-065.aspx https://www.lawsonproducts.com/lawson/Expansion-Plug/84088.lp I couldn't find any either. Edited by mstrug 2017-10-26 6:08 PM | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7409 Location: northern germany | whats wrong with the mopar performance plug set posted by mark? | ||
Direwolfe |
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Member Posts: 16 | Nothing is wrong with it if you have a later 413/383 or 440 without a stepped bore. With the early stepped bore a cup style won't work. The diameter can be OK but its length is insufficient to properly seat it. These stepped bores were designed for the concave disc style plugs. | ||
Direwolfe |
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Member Posts: 16 | https://static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/6AJU1_AS01?$mdmai... Should be an image of a concave disc plug as opposed to a cupped plug. | ||
Billohio |
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Regular Posts: 65 | I was looking for a cam plug for the back of my 413 and found summit racing has these in steel. Its a melling part and melling number mep-44 I am going to order one and will report back. Kind of tough to find seperately | ||
57chizler |
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Expert Posts: 3778 Location: NorCal | I think you'll find that Summit's minimum shipping price is many times the part cost. For just one, look here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/202804923194 | ||
Billohio |
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Regular Posts: 65 | I have more stuff to order than just one plug | ||
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