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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | since speed-o-motive screwed me by sending the wrong pistons . the new ones were delivered to the builder . the thing i totally forgot about was with new pistons , the weight
most assuredly changes . so in return the rotating assembly has to be re-balanced . now to that mistake will have to be another 225$ for the re-balance . i'm sure hopin the light
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | it's more like a kick in the head at every turn roger . i really don't know the final specs . all that and pistons went directly to the builder and me being me i really don't bother him unless it's a
have to . i just let it take it's course . the pistons are auto tech , the street/strip version --------------------------------------------------------------------later
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There's probably no real way out of it if the reciprocating assembly was already balanced for the wrong pistons so yep, like you said, you've just got to move on I guess. Hit Speed-O-whateveritive up for some store credit for their mistake if that's the case,no harm asking..........
I'm feeling your pain..... been there... done that......
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | when i bought from them , they had been in business for over 50 yrs. . not long afterwards i started reading bad things about them and bam they were gone ----------------------------------------later |
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Yep, VERY similar story to mine, I got dudded with a very well known and reputable company here building sheds for over 40 years, the father started the company, passed away, son inherited it, sold to a Malaysian company who drained the company of everything and taking the money back to Malaysia and were still taking deposits on sheds whilst trading insolvent.
This I know AFTER paying my money in full for my shed with no knowledge of the company going down the drain prior to my payment.
I got part of a shed, cost me thousands extra I had to pay for myself to finish it.
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | name it , it's gettin done . bored , stroked , printed , 470 schneider cam , performance rocker assembly , solid lifters , headers , plug & play ignition , and trip rochester 2g's . 833 4
speed . 3.23 gears when i get to em , ported stock heads with hard seats , 10:1 CR----------------------------------------------------------------later |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | to a ton of old mopars solids were oem as was my 60 and depending to who you talk to solids were the choice of whole era of hot rodders . solids just have a more positive action than
hydraulic . i've driven a lot of older cars at high rpm and have had the lifters just stop functioning "float" . the late 50"s chevrolet v-8 is a real good example . ever ask an old hot-rodder
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Location: atlanta | Yep, well it is a stroker and I know Your gonna flog it, so it does make sense, I just hate the mess and pullin' the valve covers, solids and a quiet exhaust system is a great sound. The can You have, what are the specs, was it a long wait and was it ground on a new blank,. did the lifters come with it and what springs You running? I hear the 340 hi-po springs will work, did they recommend any particular spring? |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | when i bought all the cam related parts , i got in touch with gary pavlovich in cal. , the 318 guru . he offered a re-grind but i went with new . the springs are double but
as far as what varieties of fitment i really don't know , most likely up to 500 lift . they are still packed away , so getting a number to chase i'd have to un-pack---------------------------------later
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | another 316$ . so far nothin about the stroker crank has been right . but it's like he said . you're building a 5,000$
motor so why would you want to use junk bearings to begin with . he's more pissed at speed-o-motive than i am . he
also had to deck the block , i guess it was way out of being true . in places it was high by .027 , others , low . now
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | so far i'm into the builder alone for @ 2300$ , so i sent him an email asking if final assembly was going to cost me even more . i'm under the impression his stated cost included final assembly but the
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | grand total for all machining including assembly plussssssss the new pistons , rings , hard bearings , etc ,,,,,,, @3300$ . an amount i wasn't really prepared for . i pretty much had to start
from scratch with the parts . so the original parts was @ 2200$ including the crank i used but only after the journal in front of flywheel hub was cut 100$ , along with all the wrong size journals , which
was corrected during the build . it'll be done by saturday but i won't be able to pick it up till the end of next week . the builder said to me , you'll like what you're getting . kinda like the old papan's
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Not sure if I'm reading it right Chuck but is that $3300 on top of your $2300 ...... making $5500 ??
It sucks that got got stung by a supposedly professional company previously but I guess there's nothing you can do now ' eh .........
I'm really looking forward to seeing how your stroker performs, sounds like it' gonna be a good ' un.
You've probably mentioned it before but.......... what capacity will it end up being after the re-bore and stroke ??
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | nope , 1000 on top of the 2300 , to replace the bad parts i was sent from speedomotive and thats not counting the reballance ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 390ci. -------------------------------------------later |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | nope , 1000 on top of the 2300 , to replace the bad junk parts i was sent from speedomotive and thats not counting the re-balance ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 390ci. -------------------------------------------later |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | the cam idle should be noticeable but not lumpy ......... yes the trip rochesters are going on , about the only thing i can do with them considering how much i have in them . i'll do the initial
start up with a single 2 bbl , tune , then remove that one , same for the next 2 . the carb tuning will be done by vacuum . or i may just install a 4 bbl setup i know is ok , then switch over to the trips
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | its done . at least as far as i wanted him to go . the painting , i'll do the timing cover , i had him blast it smooth "natural look" , lifters i'll install , ballancer , i'll do . i'll be pickin it up
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | well , its home but still need parts . i got melling push rods comin but wouldn't you know it , i got one of the bas***d pre-62 318's . back when i ordered most of the parts , almost 5 yrs ago , i was sent
a post 61 HV , melling #M72HV , and again i trusted it being correct , never checked it . actually i totally forgot that a post 61 oil pump won't fit . now i'm tryin to hustle to find a correct pre-62 , new , oil
pump . the real pisser is the pre 62 is 3-4 times the cost of the la interchangeable unit . i've just seen the post 61 is going for as low as 45$ . the pre 62 is 175$ . there aint one dam thing that has got right
with this build . the builder said maybe i need to take the blame by not checking every piece but i told him that if i'm guilty of anything , i'm guilty of trusting too many people . i've thought of rebuilding
an old pump , kit @ 50$ , but i really don't want to put a rebuilt unit in it . i guess my only option is to by a new one for 175$ . even its only going to be a standard volume . i still have one request out to
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well , its home but still need parts . i got melling push rods comin but wouldn't you know it , i got one of the bas***d pre-62 318's . back when i ordered most of the parts , almost 5 yrs ago , i was sent
a post 61 HV , melling #M72HV , and again i trusted it being correct , never checked it . actually i totally forgot that a post 61 oil pump won't fit . now i'm tryin to hustle to find a correct pre-62 , new , oil
pump . the real pisser is the pre 62 is 3-4 times the cost of the la interchangeable unit . i've just seen the post 61 is going for as low as 45$ . the pre 62 is 175$ . there aint one dam thing that has got right
with this build . the builder said maybe i need to take the blame by not checking every piece but i told him that if i'm guilty of anything , i'm guilty of trusting too many people . i've thought of rebuilding
an old pump , kit @ 50$ , but i really don't want to put a rebuilt unit in it . i guess my only option is to by a new one for 175$ . even its only going to be a standard volume . i still have one request out to
someone about a correct pump but probably won't get an answer till tonight . the builder seems to be real proud of HIS work but as this thing progresses it might just melt to the ground ------------------later What is the correct Melling pump #? On the early Hemis the 392 oil pump is slightly different than the 331/354 pumps. Turns out the shaft & 1 bolts is the same & the other hole in the main cap can be filled with threaded rod & redrilled. Check & see if something simular might work on your M-72 |
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ok , here's a photo --------------------------------------------------------------later What does the cap look like? Is there enough room/area to drill both holes? Cap probably doesn't care where the holes are as long as there's enough metal.
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few days ago i was tellin my wife , that if i had to go back to work (which i can't) there's no way , considering the way my brain functions to day versus 5 yrs ago . i think i have a new correct "melling M51"
coming with a trade + cash with no loss in cash . right now i have building repair materials layin on the garage floor that makes pretty much doin anything a chore , like putting the motor on the stand . it'll
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | thanks buddy . puttin a hex on me is about the only way they'd get to me . i don't take a backseat to none of em and they know it . this build has been nothing but terrible . no one should have the bad
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | here's where i stand now ,,,, the valve springs i bought just after the stroker kit and the ones that came with the new rocker assembly , to me are too big of a dia. for the poly retainers and LA retainers . so
i ordered as set of matching springs "480 max lift" and retainers , comp cams brand . well now i get an email from the distributor that they are running behind in shipments and they will try to get them out in
the next few days or if i really need them fast they would try to help speed the process up . well hell yes i need em now . thats why i picked the distributor i did because they use expedited shipping . i also replaced
the sealed power push rods with melling . the melling will work much better than the sealed power at 6 grand or so . from what gary pav. was telling me the melling failed at @ 8 grand in one of their test motors ,
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the builder said maybe i need to take the blame by not checking every piece but i told him that if i'm guilty of anything , i'm guilty of trusting too many people .
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Yep, I've been found guilty in trusting too many people and had my fingers burn't because of it ,you're not Robinson Cruso there on that one and I'm sure most here will have a similar story .... good thing is you're shaking off the dust and getting straight back into it... that is to be admired........
Big call for your builder to hit the sole responsibility blame key on you entirely for your misfortune ??????
I'll bet his glass house has had some stone chips in it !!!!!
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | thanks van , i'm into this so deep there aint nowhere but forward . you'd have to meet the builder is person . he's truly a salt of the earth type . i like him because he's a no nonsense guy . -------------------------------later
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Location: N.W. Fla. | 60 dart - 2013-12-27 12:40 AM
here's where i stand now ,,,, the valve springs i bought just after the stroker kit and the ones that came with the new rocker assembly , to me are too big of a dia. for the poly retainers and LA retainers . so
i ordered as set of matching springs "480 max lift" and retainers , comp cams brand . Are these springs for the Poly or some that fit the description? I use Comp Cam springs in my Hemis, have no idea what they're supposed to go in but they fit the bill. |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | they aren't specific to the poly . they are heavier with inner dampers . stock poly springs are @ 1.41 dia. . the comp cam ones are @ 1.49 dia . as are the melling ones i don't want to use but
i wasn't sure what size of the correct matching retainers they take . "melling charts sucks" ......... so i bought a matched set of comp cam---------------------------------------later
ps. the melling springs i got from gary pavlovich for my poly but after i assembled one head , i didn't like the fit and i told gary so . it's been
a week since and i think i may have pissed him off but that was far from my intentions . i like gary , he's a great guy but so far i had
to switch out the oil pump , which was wrong , switched from sealed power push rods to melling , switched out the valve springs to a matched
set and one of the new rocker assemblies had a missing adjustment screw and lock down nut . never once did i blame gary for anything . at
this point i just want things to move along and keep gary as a friend !!!!!!!!!!!
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Location: N.W. Fla. | 60 dart - 2013-12-27 11:39 PM
they aren't specific to the poly . they are heavier with inner dampers . stock poly springs are @ 1.41 dia. . the comp cam ones are @ 1.49 dia . as are the melling ones i don't want to use but
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while changing the springs and retainers on one of heads that have o-miles on it , one of the valves didn't have a seal . now mind you i paid i think @ 750$ to
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | the stroker is all together , painted , valves set , oem v-covers painted . flywheel , clutch , pressure plate , bell on . trans temp attached as i still need to attach the fork pivot , fork and
throwout bearing .
with not using pivots for the bell to align , which i couldn't . it went together in a snap . ya , right . it took a blizzard of snaps to get it ligned up and way more time
than i thought it would . way , way , way more time . the first problem was how to attach the dial gage considering the clutch and pressure plate have to be together , then the bell over
them then the dial gage .... so i made a washer out of 20G tin with a bolt in the center , welded , so i could put it inside of the pressure plate fingers . outside a piece of 1/4 steel big
enough to fit over the fingers with a hole in the center to allow for the bolt of the tin piece . the 1/4 wasn't enough to fit the dial base so i added 1/4 pieces to 2 side . that worked like
a charm . the hold back was every time i tightened the bell down , the readings would change . in the end as it always does it fell together . it's settin at .002 - .003 all the way around .
after all that i just had to put the trans to it after a little coxing it went together .
since i got the motor back from the builder , i haven't been idle for too much time . waited on some small parts , watched paint dry . probably tomorrow afternoon i'll be firing up red to melt
the snow off , then into the garage to start the old motor removal including removing the grill and radiator and such . maybe tomorrow i'll put up some photos the motor ------------------------later |
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