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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-22 12:28 AM (#326587)
Subject: Original 1961 Belvedere 2dr HT


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Location: little rock, AR		I might as well start a thread on my latest purchase. Some of you may have seen it on the Ebay/CL section. I picked it up in Dallas today. It is a running and driving car that I will refresh to make it safe . It's a slant 6, 3 on the tree, with add on under dash air. This car was sold at Fred Oakley Motors in Dallas,TX. The glove box was full of documents including the original owners packet that included the original owners info. Oh yea, it has the original WINDOW STICKER. The Delivery date was 8/12/61. I googled the original owners name on white pages.com and he is still alive at 99 yrs young. I'm going to do some more digging and see if I can contact him or his family. I hope I can download pics. Thats it for now.

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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2012-06-22 12:54 AM (#326589 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: Minor Hill, TN		Very nice . I was wondering does it still have the original headliner? My '61 fury still does. It lived with original owner until 2006
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Posted 2012-06-22 12:55 AM (#326590 - in reply to #326587)
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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-22 12:58 AM (#326591 - in reply to #326590)
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Location: little rock, AR		Yes it has its original headliner. However, the rear piece is drooping a little but an easy fix.

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Posted 2012-06-22 1:08 AM (#326593 - in reply to #326587)
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Posted 2012-06-22 5:44 AM (#326600 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: Georgia		Great score, Dorsey! A 2-door hardtop with padded dash and dog-dish hubcaps, a really strange (non) equipped car. Very cool.
Is the car yellow? I think "maize" would be the official name of the color.
She sure needs a good bath!

Again, great score!
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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-22 9:42 AM (#326627 - in reply to #326587)
Subject: Re: Original 1961 Belvedere 2dr HT


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Location: little rock, AR		I've been admiring my new ride and drinking my cup of coffee thinking of the previous owners. I wonder if they had the same feelings that all of us have by owning a FL car? I was steel wooling(oooo) and dreaming and looked on the floor and found the " Mopar COOL AIRE by Chrysler " metal strip that fell off of the under dash A/C. So I'm guessing this unit was added after it sold new. I don't have the original sales invoice to document this item. I'll post pics of all of the paper work later on. It is a light yellow color.

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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2012-06-22 12:05 PM (#326644 - in reply to #326587)
Subject: Re: Original 1961 Belvedere 2dr HT


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Location: Minor Hill, TN		It took my father 18 months to restore mine. It was well taken care of by the original owner. I really enjoy driving mine to cruise ins and shows. There are times I will take it out for a pleasure drive. I added a AM/FM / CD player to mine so I can listen to the music that was playing on the radio when it was brand new . I also tinted the windows to help keep the interrior cooler when its out of the garage . You will also see mine in a movie called Hell and Mr Fudge. My '61 fury is a black 2drht



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BarnFind57
Posted 2012-06-22 4:09 PM (#326689 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: Signal Mountain, TN		Awesome ride, Dorsey... and super cool on the history trail...

Hope you are able to get in touch with the original owner.

Can't wait to see this one on the road for sure!


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Posted 2012-06-22 4:10 PM (#326691 - in reply to #326587)
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d500neil
Posted 2012-06-22 4:35 PM (#326696 - in reply to #326691)
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Location: bishop, ca		Dorsey, as you know, the original sales order would have to say something like :" Car to be delivered with Air
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That would explain/document the MoPar under dash A/C unit, but, a dealership could have installed that system any time after
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Posted 2012-06-22 5:27 PM (#326706 - in reply to #326587)
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Posted 2012-06-22 6:29 PM (#326721 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: somerville mass		nice find dorsey! steve here from boston... get rid of the slant 6 and put in a 318 or a 383 , find a square steering wheel and your good to go...
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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-22 10:27 PM (#326764 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		Slant 6's are one of my favorite motors. My '60 has a / and my '84 1/2 ton pick up. 57 Saratoga will tell ya the / will run 70-80 all day long. I'm all about originality. Whats nice about a / is that they get at least 20 mpg on the freeway in a full size car. OBAHMA is sending meeeeees a check so I can find more places to hide my fleet. HA! This '61 Belve will be on the road within a month. I named it "Frumpy". It just has that look!!! Thanks for all of your comments.

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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2012-06-24 6:39 AM (#326939 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: Minor Hill, TN		I wish mine had AC. I hope it can be added. I also know it will be hard to find a donar car with it or maybe I can get an aftermarket installed. I know dreams are cheap but in reality they are not
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2012-06-24 6:46 AM (#326940 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: Minor Hill, TN		My '61 has a 318 under the hood it was rebuilt before my dad got the car. The highest fuel MPG I got was 23 mpg . I run premium in mine . Were I go the premiun has no ethenol in it. I also wanted to pass the 411 that ethenol in gasolines is not good for the carburator .
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Posted 2012-06-24 9:13 AM (#326945 - in reply to #326940)
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Location: Australia		Oh wow... I didnt even realize that it was Maize Yellow, as it is so light... Rare colour... Such a cool find Dorsey! Adriana
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Posted 2012-06-24 9:59 AM (#326951 - in reply to #326764)
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oldwood - 2012-06-22 10:27 PM

Slant 6's are one of my favorite motors. My '60 has a / and my '84 1/2 ton pick up. 57 Saratoga will tell ya the / will run 70-80 all day long. I'm all about originality. Whats nice about a / is that they get at least 20 mpg on the freeway in a full size car. OBAHMA is sending meeeeees a check so I can find more places to hide my fleet. HA! This '61 Belve will be on the road within a month. I named it "Frumpy". It just has that look!!! Thanks for all of your comments.



On the road within a month? This is great!!!!!! I love your car.

PLEASE, I hope you will document the restoration process and post tons of pictures
Will you keep the original color? This one is amazing.

Lucky, really.


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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-24 2:57 PM (#326979 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		I'm just going to get it where I can drive it safely. I have another 2dr '61 in a salvage yard that will give me the trunk pan and other parts.
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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-24 6:05 PM (#326996 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		Here is some documentation. Getting a car like this cool especially when it comes with extra goodies.



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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-26 3:00 PM (#327224 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		Here is a pic of my parts car. It has a good trunk lid and trunk pan which I needed for this '61 I just bought. I'm glad I kept this parts car because you never know when you'll need it.

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1960fury
Posted 2012-06-26 5:08 PM (#327232 - in reply to #327224)
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Location: northern germany		 that looks pretty solid&restorable and its a coupe... trunk pans are easy to fabricate.
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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-27 12:06 AM (#327275 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		Too many parts are gone off this parts car to piece it back together.
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1960fury
Posted 2012-06-27 10:26 AM (#327299 - in reply to #327275)
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Location: northern germany		if the other side is equally solid&straight (at least thats how it appears in the picture) please let me know if you want to sell it before you cut into it. a straight rust free body is the most important thing in a restoration and cars like that are getting rare. a car that has seen rust repair or sheet metal replacement will always be a patched up car, all the rest can be restored/replaced again and again but you can't duplicate a virgin factory body.
cars considered too far gone today will be worth their weight in gold in a not too far future. imo it would be a shame to destroy it for a part that can be relatively easily fabricated. if the wheel arches of the car you just bought are gone too it would be wiser to transfer its parts to the "parts" car with less rust/good floor pan...
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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-27 1:06 PM (#327325 - in reply to #327299)
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Location: little rock, AR		The flloor pans in the parts car are gone. The windshield is broken. All of the interior would need to be restored. The list goes on. Are you wanting to save the parts car??? Its also a slant with an automatic.
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Posted 2012-06-27 1:30 PM (#327331 - in reply to #326587)
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Posted 2012-06-27 2:11 PM (#327343 - in reply to #326587)
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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-27 2:22 PM (#327347 - in reply to #327343)
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Location: little rock, AR		The rear end is gone also. Someone throw me a # and I'll consider it.
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1960fury
Posted 2012-06-28 9:59 AM (#327492 - in reply to #327347)
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Location: northern germany		i was actually looking for a v8 project. the busted window and missing axle is the killer. it would cost me a fortune on shipping and to piece it back together over here across the pond. if i was over there... in a heartbeat. i really hope someone here can save it!
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oldwood
Posted 2012-06-30 8:12 PM (#327866 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		Here are some new pics with seats out. Floor pans, Trunk pan and the door panels. I took a few breaks today with heat and humidity.



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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2012-07-02 8:15 AM (#328047 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: Georgia		It is a bit warm around this part of the world, so be careful Dorsey.

Aside from the floors, she looks very solid.
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BarnFind57
Posted 2012-07-02 8:28 AM (#328055 - in reply to #328047)
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SavoyPlaza - 2012-07-02 8:15 AM

It is a bit warm around this part of the world, so be careful Dorsey.

Aside from the floors, she looks very solid.
Pete


Agreed on both... stay out of the heat, man.. we were in Nashville with Amanda's mom all weekend... 109 there...

You got her runnin' yet?

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oldwood
Posted 2012-07-04 10:11 AM (#328317 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		UPDATE: I spoke with the 2nd owner of this car and he couldn't remember when in the 70's that his father bought this car for them to work on together. They bought the car with approx. 26k miles on it from the original owner. By the receipts that came with the car it had 33,343 on 6/8/01. Currently it has 33,830 miles. He sold it to the dealer I bought it from @ 30days ago for $1100.00. He stated he had some pics of him and his dad from yrs ago with the car that he would send me. He was glad that someone got it that would get it going again. I'll post those pics when I get them.
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2012-07-04 1:08 PM (#328338 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: Minor Hill, TN		I will be looking foward seeing more photos. You will have fun with this car when you get done. It took my father 18 months to restore mine. He will not register a car like this until he has gone over it and make sure it is safe to drive on the road. I converted to disc brakes on the front. With the hot air there are times when I am driving mine I wish I had AC. I hope some day when I get the extra $ I can get it added on . When you get tires if the sales man offers you nitrogen instead of regular air take it.
The nitrogen will keep the tire pressure the same , tires will stay cooler, they will last longer and you will get better fuel economy. The highest gas milage I got on my '61 fury was 23mpg. I have a 318 in mine its a 4bl and its also the original motor but it was rebuilt before I got it.
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Posted 2012-07-05 1:46 AM (#328431 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: Vancouver, Washington		nice history diggin' Dorsey...gonna be a neat car with a little elbow grease...Awesome find
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oldwood
Posted 2012-07-05 12:08 PM (#328479 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		I pulled the gas tank yesterday and found it 1/3 full. I cleaned it this morning with muratic acid and it is now spotless. I coated the inside with WD-40 to prevent flash rust. Total cost less than $15.00. YEA!!!
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Posted 2012-07-13 3:28 PM (#329701 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: Minor Hill, TN		Make sure the fuel does not have ethenol. Ethenol in today's fuel is not good for the carburators . www.pure-gas.org this will tell you the fuel stations that have pure fuel and what grades have no ethenol in it. The phillips 66 down the street from me has no ethenol in thier premium so I run that in my '61 fury
I have a 318 since I started running the 93 the motor has been running alot smoother than it did




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d500neil
Posted 2012-07-13 5:48 PM (#329722 - in reply to #329701)
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Location: bishop, ca		Steph, you should find out which place around you has a Sun tester/analyzer for your car's distributor, and find out
if that place can re-curve the dissie, for its maximum efficiency...and/or, at least, tell you what the mechanical and the
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oldwood
Posted 2012-07-22 7:48 PM (#331134 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		Ok, here is the latest news!!! I replaced all rubber fuel hoses with fuel injected hose(expensive). I put in @ 4 gal. of real gas and hit my remote starter button and the "Leaning Tower of Power" came alive. This motor is really quite and I believe the previous owners claim to it having 33k actual miles. I ordered all new fabric and the heat sinc emblem pieces from SMS and they will be here sometime in early September. All lights, blinkers, and horn work. The carb has what I believe to have an internal leak as I can cover the top of the carb and the idle smooths out. These carbs are known to warp. I'll have to disassemble and sand the top and body of the carb to get them flat, unless someone has a good /6 carb. I also need 4 head light rings at a reasonable price. That's it for now as it is getting dark.

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Posted 2012-07-22 7:59 PM (#331137 - in reply to #331134)
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Location: bishop, ca		Dorsey, if you can find even semi-decent headlight rings, cheaply-enough, they can be restored and polished, to NOS appearance.

So, I guess what I'm saying is...you do not have to pay bigbux for really nice, but flawed, rings.

Bigbux for really nice ones, or smallbux for restorable ones, but not bigbux for flawed ones.




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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2012-07-22 10:46 PM (#331167 - in reply to #329722)
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Location: Minor Hill, TN		I had it converted to electronic ignition. Since I started running premium in my '61 my dad made the comment the motor was running alot smoother than it did before. My father also fixed the problem you are talking about.

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Posted 2012-07-24 9:16 PM (#331492 - in reply to #326587)
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oldwood
Posted 2012-07-28 12:14 PM (#332028 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		There is no greater JOY than getting to drive a new ride. It was just down the road and back and the brakes worked and it only died once. The clutch slips like hell but I may be able to adjust it for now. Oh yea, Code Enforcement sent me a notice about abandon cars. It will really chap his arse when I start and drive it.
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Posted 2012-08-07 9:53 PM (#333725 - in reply to #332028)
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oldwood - 2012-07-28 12:14 PM

There is no greater JOY than getting to drive a new ride. It was just down the road and back and the brakes worked and it only died once. The clutch slips like hell but I may be able to adjust it for now. Oh yea, Code Enforcement sent me a notice about abandon cars. It will really chap his arse when I start and drive it.


A friend of mine got busted for that in Louisiana... The cop showed up to act on the neighbor's complaint. He made my buddy start the car, move it forward, move it backward... that was it... not a non-op issue... The officer left, and he went back inside... thankful that the cop didn't notice he was having to use the hand brake to stop it...

Rolling Pics!!!!

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Posted 2012-08-08 8:07 AM (#333760 - in reply to #332028)
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Location: Minor Hill, TN		When I lived in Florida I was restoring another car . A real estate woman turned the car into the city of Palm Bay. Code enforcement sent a notice in the mail about it. When my mother called and asked who turned the car in . I paid this real estate company back big time
This is what I did . I went to the house next door from mine with a can of orange spray paint and spraypainted a ghostbusters sign on each side of the sign infront of the house that was for sale
I will say this paybacks are hell

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Posted 2012-08-08 4:29 PM (#333812 - in reply to #326587)
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Posted 2012-08-08 9:56 PM (#333855 - in reply to #326587)
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oldwood
Posted 2012-08-24 9:57 PM (#336182 - in reply to #326587)
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Location: little rock, AR		I bought a $10.00 used carb for parts and repaired the one on this '61. I also got lucky on ebay tonight and bought 4 NOS tail light lens for $13.50 shipped to my door. They're Glo Bright lenses but only the FL Gods will know the difference.

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PlymouthFury
Posted 2012-08-26 2:41 PM (#336341 - in reply to #326587)
Subject: Re: Original 1961 Belvedere 2dr HT



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Location: Hickory, NC		Awesome car. I love the '61s. And an intact dashpad? I don't know if I've ever seen one of those! The pad in my '60 Plymouth looks like a waterfall sliding off the dash...haha. I wish i could find documentation in cars when I buy them. All I seem to find are rats nests and gum wrappers...

The Glo-Brite lenses will work fine...but if the car is in the sun a lot they do fade much quicker than the originals for some reason. Atleast the '57 Plymouth lenses do.
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oldwood
Posted 2012-09-03 11:37 PM (#337428 - in reply to #326587)
Subject: Re: Original 1961 Belvedere 2dr HT


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Location: little rock, AR		Even the smallest things getting done bring "Frumpy" a little closer to being on the road. I got the tail light short fixed and replaced bulbs and NORS lens.



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