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Ray
Posted 2012-05-18 7:44 PM (#321815)
Subject: Another Oil thread


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I started to look through previous threads to find some direction in buying the right oil. I am confused. What I have distilled is that Zinc was removed because it was causing problems with Catalytic convertors. According to some of the threads and what I saw today on the shelves at NAPA, Zinc is back in some of the synthetics.

If this is true, why don't the new formulas harm converters?    

Several posters said that they find straight 30W helps with lifter noise. Is this available with zinc in any of the big box auto parts stores?   

I saw a bottle of Zinc substitute for almost $20 per oil change. If I can't find 30W with Zinc, where can I find a true Zinc additive?

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GearSpear
Posted 2012-05-18 7:49 PM (#321816 - in reply to #321815)
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Location: Midwest USA		i buy my ZDDPlus from Studebaker International - http://www.studebaker-intl.com/index.html
i could probably order over-the-counter from one of the big box stores, haven't really asked them...
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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2012-05-18 7:52 PM (#321818 - in reply to #321815)
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FIN ME
Posted 2012-05-18 7:56 PM (#321821 - in reply to #321815)
Subject: Re: Another Oil thread



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These might help. I used the Zinc Additive TB - "break in", although it's not just for that purpose.

There is also a 30W with zinc.

I phoned Lucas in California and spoke with "Bob" in the technical division 951-270-0154 - he is very helpful if you have questions about your specific car and/or engine.

http://www.lucasoil.com/search/results_products.sd?keyword=zinc&hea...



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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2012-05-18 8:03 PM (#321822 - in reply to #321821)
Subject: Re: Another Oil thread



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Thanks for the link,the local auto parts stores carry Lucas products and I have never seen their special Hot Rod and Classic oil with zinc. I wonder what it costs?

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FIN ME
Posted 2012-05-18 8:19 PM (#321828 - in reply to #321815)
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I can't recall exactly, but I think it's between $30.00 to $40.00 somewhere for five quarts.




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Chrispy
Posted 2012-05-18 9:46 PM (#321843 - in reply to #321815)
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Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado		You can still find oil with zddp levels of 1200 to 1300ppm. Mobil 1 0-40w is pretty much the best of the synthetics, and its 1200ppm, IIRC this should be enough for a pushrod motor. Check out www.bobistheoilguy.com if you really want to jump in to this subject.

Keep in mind that some of these ZDDP products are being made to cash in on the paranoia surrounding this subject...

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imopar380
Posted 2012-05-19 12:06 AM (#321853 - in reply to #321815)
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		I just had my engine rebuilt by a fellow that builds MoPar racing engines, and he swears by this stuff which is $8-9 per quart and has high zinc additive. COMPcam Oil
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2010/07/15/comp-cams-adds-muscle...
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60 dart
Posted 2012-05-19 1:17 AM (#321855 - in reply to #321815)
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58coupe
Posted 2012-05-19 7:58 AM (#321877 - in reply to #321815)
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Your profile says you live in Minnesota. I would not run 30W oil in a cold climate unless I never started it in the winter. One cold start can cause more wear than lack of ZDDP IMHO.
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finsruskw
Posted 2012-05-19 10:07 AM (#321887 - in reply to #321877)
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-02-19 1:06 PM (#534342 - in reply to #321887)
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finsruskw - 2012-05-19 10:07 AM I ain't buyin' no dern oil with a picture of a %&)$!#@ chebie on the jug!!! Dave S.


Like this stuff? I am thinking about it because I can buy it locally, not having to have it shipped from wherever.

http://lucasoil.com/products/hot-rod-high-performance/hot-rod-class...

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imopar380
Posted 2017-02-19 3:46 PM (#534347 - in reply to #534342)
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57chizler
Posted 2017-02-19 4:09 PM (#534351 - in reply to #321815)
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For a readily available oil with plenty of ZDDP I like Valvoline VR-1. Usually $5-6 a quart.
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-02-19 4:44 PM (#534354 - in reply to #534347)
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imopar380 - 2017-02-19 3:46 PM I have 6 litres of that sitting ready to go for my next oil change, bought at the local LORDCO.


That's where I saw it (a LORDCO) when I picked up my Pertronix stuff the other day.
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-02-19 4:48 PM (#534355 - in reply to #534351)
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57chizler - 2017-02-19 4:09 PM For a readily available oil with plenty of ZDDP I like Valvoline VR-1. Usually $5-6 a quart.


Just found this on the net (not me):

"... I picked up a Valvoline product manual over the weekend. It clarified some questions about their Racing oil products. It turns out that VR1 Racing Oil is just ordinary new car street oil that says Racing Oil on the label. I think most of us thought it was extra good stuff because of those words, and because it said it contains ZDDP (Zinc DialkylDithioPhosphate), which we commonly just call zinc. That ended up being just marketing hype, since even the newer street oils still contain some zinc, just at much lower levels than they used too. Of course, that reduction was done for emissions reasons to prevent wrecking the cats on street cars, certainly not to help the engines. As we know, zinc is considered one of the main additives that gives extra protection against engine wear. Many consider the fact that zinc has been nearly removed from newer street oils to be the primary cause for the rash of flat tappet motor wiped lobes. It may also be a contributing factor to solid roller lifter failures as well. So, of course, racers and gearheads typically like to stay away from street oil if they don’t run cat equipped cars. The thing is, VR1 is API certified as SM rated (check the bottle and you’ll see), which is the latest street oil rating for current new cars, as well as older ones so they claim. But don’t tell that to the guys with wiped lobes. In order to meet that latest strict API rating, the zinc level is at its lowest level yet……..so much for Valvoline’s feeble claim of “contains ZDDP”. And so much for VR1 being actual “Racing Oil”. I think most of us expect true racing oil to have much larger amounts of zinc than even the older “good” street oil. On top of that, I recently came across a Valvoline link on the web, where they talked about VR1 being a synthetic blend, though they don’t even say that on the bottle. So………. they don’t make it widely known that it is a synthetic blend, yet they do imply it has a lot of zinc, which is doesn’t. I know many people are quite happy using VR1, but the good it is doing for them apparently comes mostly from it being partial synthetic, not from any help from zinc. Jeg’s lists this oil for $5.00 per qt. I was planning to use it in the 540 I’m building, but now I wouldn’t even consider it.

For those of us who actually want truly elevated levels of zinc in our oil, we have to look no further than Valvoline’s two other Race Oils. They have conventional (petroleum) Racing Oil and Synthetic Racing Oil, both of which truly have elevated levels of zinc. Since they do, they say clearly on the bottles, “Not Street Legal”, which is because they will actually ruin the cats on cat equipped cars. And they don’t carry new street oil API ratings. Jeg’s lists the conventional at $7.00 per qt and the synthetic at $9.00 per qt.

Just when we thought it was safe to stop thinking about oil………………"


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Shep
Posted 2017-02-19 5:26 PM (#534356 - in reply to #534355)
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Location: Chestertown, NY ( near Lake George)		All good points, but true racing oil is not designed for normal street use. Check this site info. http://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/racing-oil-vs-street-oil-know...
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-02-19 6:51 PM (#534361 - in reply to #534356)
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b5rt
Posted 2017-02-19 7:31 PM (#534370 - in reply to #321815)
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firedome
Posted 2017-02-20 11:32 AM (#534397 - in reply to #321815)
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Location: NY & VT		We use Brad Penn Grade 1 10w30 green oil, it's one of the highest in zddp (zinc). The Porsche fanatics use it, and they are even more anal than the Ferrari guys, if it's good enough for them... Brad Penn stands for Bradford Pennsylvania and used to be called Kendall. Flat track racers around here use it in their V8s. I get it for our '58 and Mustang convert. at the local race car shop. Great stuff and fairly readily available.

https://www.summitracing.com/search/product-line/brad-penn-grade-1-m...

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57chizler
Posted 2017-02-20 12:32 PM (#534404 - in reply to #534355)
Subject: RE: Another Oil thread



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56D500boy - 2017-02-19 1:48 PM

57chizler - 2017-02-19 4:09 PM For a readily available oil with plenty of ZDDP I like Valvoline VR-1. Usually $5-6 a quart.


Just found this on the net (not me):

"... I picked up a Valvoline product manual over the weekend. It clarified some questions about their Racing oil products. It turns out that VR1 Racing Oil is just ordinary new car street oil that says Racing Oil on the label.


Another perspective.

http://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-02-20 1:03 PM (#534406 - in reply to #534397)
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Location: Lower Mainland BC		Brad Penn has 0.15% Zinc (see page 2 of this pdf): http://www.amref.com/Media/Files/bp_pb/7126_50_44_58_19_BP_PG1_Mult...

The Lucas Hot Rod and Classic has 0.21% Zinc: http://lucasoil.com/pdf/TDS_HotRodClassicCarOil_10W40.pdf

Just sayin'

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