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Posted 2013-08-19 8:38 PM (#392346 - in reply to #392339)
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Boy all that looks familiar!! Regarding the trans issue, you can adjust the band but the shifting issue is a throttle linkage adjustment for the early shift and no kickdown, let me know if you need advice on this.
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Beltran
Posted 2013-09-17 8:06 PM (#398260 - in reply to #309019)
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I got it working ok for now. If I want to run it out in first gear I just use the push button to hold it in 1st until I want it to shift. Not all that often I do that anyway.
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Beltran
Posted 2013-11-25 8:31 PM (#412977 - in reply to #309019)
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My parts came in from Australia (thanks Bob). Got some work left to do there but all winter to noodle it.

List for the winter :
- Axle goes into the shop for rework to a 2.94. Wednesday.
- Take out the headliner (again) and work with the wife to get it sewed up properly so it doesn't wrinkle.
- Get the door panels out and have the front two reworked to fit properly.
- Take off exterior chrome and get it to Muskegon to get reworked in February.
- Get the radio back this winter and take apart the dash to get it back in.
- Drop the trans by moving engine forward enough to get the bell housing detached. Not looking forward to this job.
- Get the new trans / torque converter in
- put the new rear axle in
- measure the drive shaft and get it rebuilt
- connect up the new 5 button trans interface and figure out how to get the control & bezel attached and have it look good at the same time.
- oh and install the speakers and amplifier inconspicuously in the car.

Just a small list...
- I almost forgot! Prep the exterior for PAINT. hmm. maybe 2015 before it sees the road again...

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Beltran
Posted 2013-12-19 9:25 PM (#417432 - in reply to #309019)
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The Trans is finished and in the garage. The Axle gets rebuilt and gets picked up tomorrow. Need to get some spring perch's for it so I can move them to align with the springs and weld in place.
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Beltran
Posted 2014-01-09 5:34 PM (#421210 - in reply to #417432)
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So the axle is back in the garage. but it's too freakin cold to work out there right now.

I do have a nice picture to post. This is of my daughter and I in Bayfield Canada last October on the way back from a show. We got stopped by an impromptu picture taking class that was being held out doors, in the rain. Anyway we got to play subjects for the class and I got some of the pictures that were taken.



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Beltran
Posted 2014-05-11 8:15 PM (#440369 - in reply to #421210)
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So I finally got started on this years project, updating the drivetrain.
Tasks.
1) update the rear axle to a 69 Plymouth Posi with 2.94 gears.
2) update the trans with a 3sp Castiron Torqueflite
3) covert the 4 button dash to a 5 button for the 3sp.





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Posted 2014-05-11 8:32 PM (#440370 - in reply to #309019)
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With those drums on. is the rear wider or is it a trick on the eye?

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Posted 2014-05-11 8:55 PM (#440372 - in reply to #309019)
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Trick on the eye. I thought that as well when I looked at the picture.
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Beltran
Posted 2014-05-14 7:34 PM (#440815 - in reply to #440372)
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Got the 2sp out last night and put the 3spd in. Took about 3 hours. Not bad for the first time.




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Beltran
Posted 2014-06-08 9:40 PM (#444285 - in reply to #309019)
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The new mount is in. Now working on connecting up the transmission.



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-08 9:50 PM (#444286 - in reply to #444285)
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Nice work and nice car!
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Posted 2014-06-08 10:47 PM (#444292 - in reply to #309019)
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Great car and workmanship on your part.
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Posted 2014-06-10 5:19 AM (#444438 - in reply to #309019)
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HI MARK I HAVE BEEN MEANING TO ASK HOW DID YOU GO GRAFTING THE 3 SPEED BUTTON ASSEMBLY INTO THE DASH



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Beltran
Posted 2014-06-10 7:30 PM (#444552 - in reply to #309019)
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I am not quite there yet Bob. It's in the box you sent and I am going to have to sit down and sort it out in the next week or so. It's one of those jobs I don't look forward too. I tend to save those for last as I have time to figure out how I am going to do it (waiting for divine inspiration...) while I move farther on the other things I have a plan for. Once I get those done then I am faced only with the job that I really didn't look forward too. But I will have come to far to back out so it will get done.

The things you have to do to challenge yourself as you get older...
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Beltran
Posted 2014-06-11 12:40 AM (#444599 - in reply to #309019)
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Tonight was draining the engine of coolant and fixing the header leaks. The silicone didn't hold up on some of the bolts so I cleaned them up and used PTFE this time. Tired of leaks!
I also got all my drive shaft measurements and will get that ordered tomorrow. (err today actually... it's late) .
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Posted 2014-06-11 7:27 PM (#444711 - in reply to #309019)
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Marko , you keep usin cinder blocks like that , you might not be around long enough to finish that fine ride ----------------------------------------------later
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Posted 2014-06-11 7:55 PM (#444716 - in reply to #309019)
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Funny you say that Chuck, was going to surgest the same thing

Rotate them like they would be in a wall, they have absolutly no side streanth

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Posted 2014-06-11 11:10 PM (#444741 - in reply to #309019)
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very nice
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Beltran
Posted 2014-06-12 7:04 PM (#444871 - in reply to #309019)
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Thanks for the tip. That isn't something I realized would be an issue. I am using a piece of wood between the car to spread the load and not scratch the frame. I figured these would be better than the jack stands they make these days that have about 3 inches of surface area in contact with the frame. I am always worried that the car could slide off the stand.
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Posted 2014-06-14 12:12 AM (#445044 - in reply to #309019)
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GOOD ADVICE FROM cHUCK AND MICK
(hard to remember your original reason for draining the swamp when you"re up to your ass in alogators)
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Beltran
Posted 2014-06-15 8:48 PM (#445264 - in reply to #309019)
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So I completed the shifter change this weekend. Had to be creative but It will work.

So the first pic is of the existing 4 position shifter without the cover on it.
I then realized that the 5 position unit in combination with the buttons came up a little short with the bezel in place... about 1/2 an inch.
So I came up with the idea to use flattened 5/16" steel tubing to extend the button arms.




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Beltran
Posted 2014-06-15 9:01 PM (#445270 - in reply to #309019)
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I thought it was interesting that the 57 3sp bolted right into the dash. The same plate from the 4 button fit with the 5 button. No modification needed. Talk about Forward Looking Engineering! That made it so much easier!
Once I got the buttons extended to the right length I was able to work on the face plate mount. This is where Earleebob's guys came in last year, modifying a face plate for me to use for this purpose.
I had to create a center mount point under the face plate to give it strength.

I also learned that my 3sp cable was too short! But I had another epiphany sorting out the other challenges... why not use a bushing to adapt the 2sp cable. Sure enough, the hardware store had a nice 1/2 x 3/8 x 1" bushing that was perfect for the job. The only difference between the two was the length, the input connector being larger on the 3sp and technically the length of the cable was 1/16 in longer on the 3sp. I could fix two of the three... hopefully that 16th of an inch isn't significant in the function of the trans.



But here are the results. A fully adjusted 3sp trans sitting in a 55 Chrysler. Waiting for a driveshaft to be completed!




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Posted 2014-06-15 9:06 PM (#445272 - in reply to #309019)
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I thought on the latter part of '56 Imperials could be optioned with the 3 speed torqueflite. I guess the rarity of them is why you adapted this one? http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1956/SpottersGuide/Interior/PushButt...
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Beltran
Posted 2014-06-15 9:13 PM (#445274 - in reply to #309019)
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Yes I had heard it was done but this is the first photo I have ever seen! I wish I could have found that setup.

Heck it's even the right color dash!

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Posted 2014-06-19 11:21 PM (#445826 - in reply to #309019)
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Well I have good news and bad news.
I am trying to fill up the transmission but it seems like the breather is plugged because I had the darnedest time getting the fluid in there without it backing up the tube and running out onto the floor. I had to pour very slowly and about a pint at a time. I even had the engine running.

The breather, if not plugged, should be allowing the air to escape and the fluid to easily go into the trans, correct?

and the good news is, I got gears!!!!   Drive and Reverse work!! 

The drive shaft shipped today, one day turn around on the order from Drive Shaft Specialists of TX.  Should be here next tuesday. 



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Posted 2014-06-24 11:43 PM (#446513 - in reply to #309019)
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So the drive shaft came today and it bolted right in! No issues. I bled the brakes and took her for a little cruise around 11pm... everything works! No vibrations any longer either. Still some little stuff to do but I couldn't be happier. Nice to know I can cruise a bit this summer.
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Posted 2014-06-29 5:46 PM (#447166 - in reply to #446513)
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Some pictures of the progress.



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Beltran
Posted 2014-06-29 5:50 PM (#447168 - in reply to #309019)
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Oh and I cleaned out the trans breather while it was IN the car... It would have been much easier outside of the car. After all that trans work, nobody bothered to check it. It was rusty and very plugged up.
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Posted 2014-06-29 6:54 PM (#447178 - in reply to #309019)
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Good work

Take it easy for a bit and re build confidence in the car

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Posted 2014-06-29 10:06 PM (#447225 - in reply to #309019)
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Indeed.. that is what I plan for the rest of the summer here. Cruising time.
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Posted 2015-01-17 3:23 AM (#467840 - in reply to #440815)
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Beltran - 2014-05-14 6:34 PM

Got the 2sp out last night and put the 3spd in. Took about 3 hours. Not bad for the first time.
Any difficulties other than making SURE the front pump tangs and the coupler-torque converter was engaged correctly? I will be doing this sometime. I have R&R my powerflite so am familiar with it......................MO
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Posted 2015-01-17 3:25 AM (#467841 - in reply to #444285)
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Beltran - 2014-06-08 8:40 PM

The new mount is in. Now working on connecting up the transmission.
Why did you have to change the mount and what did you have to do?................MO
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Posted 2015-01-17 12:03 PM (#467864 - in reply to #309019)
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Ah.. the trans mount? Well its the same kind of mount except the brackets are welded farther forward for the 2sp than the 3sp. So I left the old mount points in place and welded in new ones. Its nothing more than vertical pieces of steel or if you want, a U channel. I attached the mount and cross beam to the trans and then held it in place with a jack while a neighbor and I tack welded in place the U channel we made. Then took it apart and completed the welding, cleaning and painting of the new mount point. Be sure to get your trans mounted high enough to ensure the proper drive shaft angle. If you have the old mount still in place its very easy to ensure this.

As far as the torque converter coupler goes, I have a couple of them and they look identical except for the type of seal ring in place. One was a metal ring and another was a rubber ring. They bolted up identically. I did use a rebuilt 3sp torque converter although I could have used the 2sp as well I think. It had a higher stall and I often wonder what it would have done for my launch characteristics. I chose not to because that was a first year TC and I figured they had made improvements in the newer version 3sp. So I used the 3sp.

Note that your 2sp cable can be made to work with the 3sp trans, no need to get another one. I got the bushing from my local Ace Hardware which has a massive Dorman (I think? that's the name) collection of pieces parts for just about anything. My rebuild of this car could not have gone nearly as well without that store.

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Posted 2015-01-17 12:22 PM (#467866 - in reply to #309019)
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A couple of other pics that may help.





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Posted 2015-01-24 8:26 PM (#468517 - in reply to #309019)
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Well Penance has a new Radiator. I think I like the polished look over the painted look.

I also got to mocking up the bracket for the powersteering pump. Tomorrow hopefully we will be working it in steel.





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Posted 2015-01-25 3:35 AM (#468535 - in reply to #309019)
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Beltran, thanks much for the info and the pics, that is going to help me a lot when I get ready to do mine
What is your power steering pump from? quite a different set up than I used...............................MO
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Posted 2015-01-25 5:01 AM (#468540 - in reply to #309019)
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Thats a good idea to make vaneer mock-up for brackets and so. How come this has not come to mind
I have always made steel versions 1, 2, 3...
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Posted 2015-01-25 9:40 AM (#468550 - in reply to #468540)
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We are all waiting for a you tube video to see this Hemi with all of its mods motoring down the road. Great thread!!!
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Posted 2015-01-25 2:24 PM (#468580 - in reply to #309019)
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I think its a small pump with the reservoir out of a Chevy S10 truck for like a decade. Napa #81-52085. I also got the double pulley to go with it. I got the idea from the Hotheads site but they don't have a mount for my timing chain cover. Hence the fabbing of something custom. That has been the story for this build. Everything on the front has been custom due to the water jacket holes in the old marine blocks.

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Posted 2015-01-25 2:28 PM (#468582 - in reply to #309019)
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Oh Dorsey it's been motoring every year. I just always have to fix / tinker with something new each winter. This winter I got tasked with the radiator and well while it's out of the way, the electrical and power steering mods are getting tackled. I have been avoiding them long enough...

I got to have it rock solid to drive the 9 hours to Carlisle this year. Lots of motivation.

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Posted 2015-01-25 4:54 PM (#468591 - in reply to #468582)
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I have a 1054 miles = 16+ hrs to Carlisle. John aka Big M has a whole lot more than me.
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Posted 2015-02-04 9:16 PM (#469386 - in reply to #309019)
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Latest work on converting the Generator and PS pump to separate units. Had to make a PS pump bracket and adjust my Gen bracket to work with the new alternator. Still have to sort out the wiring.
Also can see the upgraded dual power brake booster attached to the new MC. The first pic was an attempt using questionable parts that had set on a shelf for years. MC was bad and booster was a single stage 7 inch. Inadequate for the job. Second pic is the new MC with a 9 inch dual stage booster.

Ignore the oil... still have to clean up the block a bit.

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Posted 2015-02-05 11:44 PM (#469480 - in reply to #309019)
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The Rad is in... it as 10 degrees F outside tonight but I managed to work in the garage to get it assembled and connected. I might be able to start it tomorrow / Saturday.
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Posted 2015-02-06 2:32 AM (#469484 - in reply to #469480)
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Mark, you do nice work. I hadn't kept up on your project. It takes a little "engineering" to put a later modle PS pump on. Keep up the good work--Spring will get here sooner or later...........................MO
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Posted 2015-02-06 5:46 PM (#469513 - in reply to #309019)
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I'm glad you guys appreciate it and say something. No one else in my family seems to get it. They all just scratch their heads and say, and you did this why? How much is it costing you? Shouldn't you just sell that?
So it's good to have encouraging words... it's February and it was 10 degrees F outside last night... I put in 2 hours on the car and couldn't take anymore. Swear I didn't warm up in bed until about 2am.
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Posted 2015-02-06 11:55 PM (#469531 - in reply to #469513)
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We all understand. At least we all are saving FL cars that have so much more styling that set us apart from the rest!!!
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Posted 2015-02-08 3:29 AM (#469590 - in reply to #469513)
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Beltran - 2015-02-06 4:46 PM

I'm glad you guys appreciate it and say something. No one else in my family seems to get it. They all just scratch their heads and say, and you did this why? How much is it costing you? Shouldn't you just sell that?
So it's good to have encouraging words... it's February and it was 10 degrees F outside last night... I put in 2 hours on the car and couldn't take anymore. Swear I didn't warm up in bed until about 2am.
Mark, get one of those small" tube" type portable propane heaters ( like Queen Bee) Farm stores and Sears have them. Be sure to get one that has a fan in it to blow out hot air. Use propane from a BBQ grill tank. Put couple of layers of cardboard on the cement floor . That works as insulation. Hopefully the bitter cold is behind us............................MO
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Posted 2015-02-08 12:08 PM (#469616 - in reply to #309019)
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I have one Steve, but the garage floor and the metal of the tools and the car were so cold. I didn't have time to heat the garage for a few hours before I got in there. Working on it during the week is difficult. On the weekends I can preheat enough that it's decent. Looks like the we have another cold blast coming for next weekend though.
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Posted 2015-02-10 12:49 AM (#469747 - in reply to #469616)
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Beltran - 2015-02-08 11:08 AM

I have one Steve, but the garage floor and the metal of the tools and the car were so cold. I didn't have time to heat the garage for a few hours before I got in there. Working on it during the week is difficult. On the weekends I can preheat enough that it's decent. Looks like the we have another cold blast coming for next weekend though.
Oh Yes, I remember the cold floor and cold hand tools!. A few years ago, I insulated my old barn shop ceiling and walls, hung up heavy tarps over the inside of garage doors, and installed a used small hanging shop heater. Last year I put up new insulated garage doors. I keep the shop heated at 45 degree all winter. Just having the floors and all metal at that temp enables every thing to warm up to 60 degree quickly. My shop is about 30X30 I have a 100 gal propane tank and 200-250 gallon is about what I use for the Winter. Just a FYI...........................MO
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Posted 2015-02-11 10:01 PM (#469900 - in reply to #309019)
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I couldn't be more EXCITED!!! IT ALL WORKS! On the FIRST TRY! for once.

-New aluminum radiator with built in trans cooler.
-Rerouted heater hose due to no heat condition.
-Rebuilt the control valve because I had it all apart anyway.
-Pulled all the leaky header bolts and fixed them with Permatex Thread sealant. (pure suggestions from the boards, TY Guys!)
-Removed the Generator / PS Pump combo
-Replaced it with a Jeep PS Pump mounted low, and a custom mount I fabricated
-Mounted a Powermaster Alternator and removed the regulator but maintained the original wiring.
-maintained the dual belt look all around.
Just prior to all this I did the brakes:
-upgrade the brakes with a 9 inch booster and dual MC supporting front discs
-upgraded the front drums to AAJ disk brakes.

This is so awesome!
The alternator worked as planned.
The power steering pump worked as planned.
The cooling system worked as planned.
The heat is fixed.
The nine inch booster fixed the weak brake issue.


I must be getting much better at fabbing stuff or something. It's only February and well, I can now install the stereo. I might get it all the changes done by Carlisle!

Note: the last picture is showing the Altimeter charging! This is at idle with the brights on, the heater and defroster motors running (oooooh the heat was nice in the 20 degree garage) and the cooling fan running! Mission Accomplished!



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