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ttotired
Posted 2011-08-11 1:44 AM (#284274)
Subject: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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I got this today

At least now I know what it should look like





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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-08-11 5:24 AM (#284290 - in reply to #284274)
Subject: RE: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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This car was shipped 03 August, 1959 ? My God, that's an early car !!!!! Hands down,
the earliest I have ever heard of !

What is the build date ?

How early did 1960 model production begin ????

Wow !

Olympic was still around in the early 80's when I was spending time up around Port Townsend.
PT is a wonderful little Victorian town that got all built up for a railroad terminus that never came.
The town just kinda faded into dormancy until being discovered again for all its fancy architecture.
Wonderful place.
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alumcanTandThd
Posted 2011-08-11 1:10 PM (#284329 - in reply to #284274)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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I was 'told' (If I remembder right) the present year's production stopped, and the following year's car production all started the 1st of Aug. And was unvieled 1st of Oct.
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ttotired
Posted 2011-08-12 11:16 AM (#284406 - in reply to #284274)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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So how do I work out the missing number?





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Chrycoman
Posted 2011-08-13 1:27 AM (#284490 - in reply to #284290)
Subject: RE: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-08-11 5:24 AM

This car was shipped 03 August, 1959 ? My God, that's an early car !!!!! Hands down,
the earliest I have ever heard of !

What is the build date ?

How early did 1960 model production begin ????

Wow !

Olympic was still around in the early 80's when I was spending time up around Port Townsend.
PT is a wonderful little Victorian town that got all built up for a railroad terminus that never came.
The town just kinda faded into dormancy until being discovered again for all its fancy architecture.
Wonderful place.


1960 production began the last week of August, 1959. The 1960 models were introduced to the public two weeks after Ford & GM.
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Chrycoman
Posted 2011-08-13 3:19 AM (#284500 - in reply to #284329)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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alumcanTandThd - 2011-08-11 1:10 PM

I was 'told' (If I remembder right) the present year's production stopped, and the following year's car production all started the 1st of Aug. And was unvieled 1st of Oct.


Model year production ended when management said so (usually when there were no more orders to build ) and began when everything was ready to go for the new models The "August 1" date holds no magic powers. Some years, such as 1973 if memory serves, ended during the first week of August, 1973, and the 1974 models started the second week.

In this case, the staff member at Chrysler Historical believes that "August 1" stuff by the looks of it.

However, this car was not built on August 3 of either 1959 or 1960. August 3, 1959 was the first Monday of August. The last six digits of the VIN is the sequential production number which started at 100001 at each plant. Thus is it the 26,722nd 1960 model car built at LosAngeles out of a total of 65,733 (26,971 were Plymouths). The first 1960 Plymouth was actually built on August 14, 1959 - six were built. An additional 105 were built the next week followed by 206 the week ending August 29. The last 1960 Plymouth was built the week ending July 23, 1960.

The 1960 models went into production later in the year than normal due to the delays in getting the new unibody models into production. The new bodies needed a complete revamp of body assemby procedures and the assembly line as well as the introduction of a series of seven body dips to clean and protect the lower third of the car. Thus all the holes in floor panels. 1960 was not only the first year for the unibody, but also the slant six engine and the A904 Torqueflite. The first production Valiant rolled off the Hamtramck line on September 21, 1959.

The Dodges were introduced first on October 9, 1959, followed all the other makes, save Valiant, on October 16, 1959. The Valiant was shown to the public on October 29, 1959. Fords and the GM lines were introduced around October 1, although Mercury, Lincoln, Rambler and Studebaker were all mid-October.

I suspect the 08 03 date of assembly should be 03 08. It would fit better with the car being the 26,722nd of 65,733 built. Wonder if Chrysler Historical could check the build dates for car numbers 126000 and 127000 at Los Angeles.
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ttotired
Posted 2011-08-13 4:40 AM (#284502 - in reply to #284274)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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Hi Bill

Thanks for your imput, I was hopeing that you might pop up

"I suspect the 08 03 date of assembly should be 03 08. It would fit better with the car being the 26,722nd of 65,733 built. Wonder if Chrysler Historical could check the build dates for car numbers 126000 and 127000 at Los Angeles. "

Looking at the IBM card, the dates apear to be correct (Looking at the boxes along the side).

As I posted above, I am trying to work out what number to put in the Number box on the body plate (mine is missing), so dates are very important



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d500neil
Posted 2011-08-13 4:00 PM (#284557 - in reply to #284502)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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Mick, the five digits that you are missing, under "NUMBER", above, are probably the Dealer coding :"07582", that CHS has
confirmed to you.

At least, for the Dodges, the dealer coding goes 'into' that location on the P/T plates.

BTW, you ARE lucky that CHS was able to confirm your car's selling dealership's identity.

CHS does not have dealer records on file for every car that they research.


BTW(ii): your car's IBM card clearly shows 08/03 for its scheduled build date.

That computer-imprint is probably NOT in error.

For many/sundry 'internal' reasons, any particular car might be held back from being built
and/or shipped out from the factory, and, as Darrell Davis' research has shown, there ARE
'many' instances where an engine number or a VIN might seem to be out of logical production-
sequence.

Altho I have no clue as to why....my belief is that your car probably had something unusual
or 'special' in its construction which caused it to have peculiar build and shipping dates.

It is really unfortunate that the car's build and shipping dates are not ink-stamped onto the IBM card
copy, like they are, on Dodges.










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ttotired
Posted 2011-08-13 8:14 PM (#284583 - in reply to #284274)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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Thanks Neil

I use this decoder to look at body plates, maybe what it says is wrong?





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Chrycoman
Posted 2011-08-14 3:24 AM (#284597 - in reply to #284502)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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ttotired - 2011-08-13 4:40 AM

Hi Bill

Thanks for your imput, I was hopeing that you might pop up

"I suspect the 08 03 date of assembly should be 03 08. It would fit better with the car being the 26,722nd of 65,733 built. Wonder if Chrysler Historical could check the build dates for car numbers 126000 and 127000 at Los Angeles. "

Looking at the IBM card, the dates apear to be correct (Looking at the boxes along the side).

As I posted above, I am trying to work out what number to put in the Number box on the body plate (mine is missing), so dates are very important



What must be remembered that 1960 was the era of punch cards and massive reels of tape for data storage. There were no terminals to manually enter data and nothing was done or recorded when it actually occurred. Updates to the system were done by creating punch cards with the updates and then running the data tape and the punch cards to create a new updated data tape. The date was entered manually, first by the person recording the date and then by the person creating the punch card.

For some reason I got it into my head that 08 03 was the scheduled build date, and not the shipping date. There is nothing on the card for the Shipping Order Number which has the Scheduled Build Date plus the order sequence number (not the dealer code). As the Build Date was not recorded, you will not be able to fill in the blanks on the plate. It should be on the broadcast sheet, should you be lucky enough to find on ein the car.

So, disregard my comments on the validity of 08 03. The car was built whenever, probably March or thereabouts, and shipped in August, after production had come to an end. The car was not recorded as Expedite - Sold Car, which means the order was not placed for a customer. Instead, the car was probably built to keep the lines going and was placed in the sales bank for dealers to choose from when they needed a car ASAP.

Once the car was shipped, the process I described above was done to produce the build record, a copy of which was sent to you. The final run was also used to produce reports on how many of each body style was produced, percentage of each body colour ordered, options ordered, etc.

Not unusual for a car to sit around for awhile. I own a 1988 Plymouth Caravelle Salon (Gran Fury in the U.S.) that was built in late August 1987. Do not know when it was shipped from Kenosha, but it was not sold until 12 months later. I purchased it from the original owner last year.
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ttotired
Posted 2011-08-14 6:09 AM (#284602 - in reply to #284274)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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Thanks Bill

The build sheet will be hard as I do not have the orriginal dash or glove box.

I think the seats are orriginal, I have looked under both seats, but when I pull them out again, I will look harder.

There is no floor coverings in the car at all, so i thinkI will be out of luck.

So am I right with the other numbers?

I have noticed on all the other 60 plym tags that the trim and paint codes are stamped around the wrong way, but
it appears that there are 2 types, so I will have to work out which is the correct one.

It also says that the brakes are code 9. The car has manual brakes in it now (not sure if thats orriginal) but the
cowl has a hole welded up where the booster rod would come through but the pedal mechanism does not have an
extended part where the booster rod would attach.

should it have boosted brakes?

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Chrycoman
Posted 2011-08-18 3:38 AM (#285176 - in reply to #284602)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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Power brakes are code 292. They may be heavy duty brakes. According to the lower part of the card, the only option with a 9 is 349, and I do not have that code listed. Numbers above 600 were for build details, shipping, export, etc.

Codes as per the card -
283 - Torqueflite
291 - Power steering
293 - Power seats
303 - Appearance Accessory Group (Wheel covers, safety padded instrument panel, deluxe steering wheel, front fender shields)
342 - Rear foam seat cushion
344 - Front bumper guards
347 - Deluxe steering wheel
349 - ??
391 - Front fender shields
422 - AM Astrophonic radio
431 - Instrument safety pad
441 - Tinted windows - all
461 - Padded sun visors
501 - Wheel covers
618 - ??
624 - ??

There is no guarantee there are any broadcast sheets in any car, especially after fifty years. Someone may have gone through the car sometime in past and pulled them out (I do that with my cars) or there may have never been any left in the car, especially in the early 1960`s and prior.

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ttotired
Posted 2011-08-18 10:42 AM (#285202 - in reply to #284274)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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Wow Thanks

Look at all the expencive stuff I have to find

I am open for donations

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ttotired
Posted 2023-02-25 4:32 PM (#627848 - in reply to #284274)
Subject: Re: CHS stuff for my Plymouth



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Well, sometimes you just have to be patient

After owning this car for 12 years, Yesterday I was contacted by a previous owner that he found a part from my car and asked if I still had it.

He said he found the missing tags, YOU BEUTY

I know most of it, but what is the 3 under the X ?

Anyway, here are my now NOT missing tags



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-02-26 10:59 AM (#627867 - in reply to #627848)
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Wow!  There's a find for you!

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frwl
Posted 2023-02-26 12:19 PM (#627869 - in reply to #284274)
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Posted 2023-02-26 12:23 PM (#627870 - in reply to #284274)
Subject: RE: CHS stuff for my Plymouth


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ttotired
Posted 2023-02-26 3:55 PM (#627879 - in reply to #284274)
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Thank you

The power seat is no longer with the car, a different owner used it on another car

The brakes are wider than the ones that were on my 60 Dodge

The padded dash is also long gone

The missing seat really burns though

I think it was quite a nice car once, sad to see how bad it got

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