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Location: Sept. 1958 | This is a 9+ beautifully restored vehicle. I have owned for nearly 20yrs. Since prices rose so high a few yrs. ago-I have driven it very little for fear of damage. It has the pushbuttom Trans. that works perfectly-it has a 318 motor w/4v carb & newer manifold-twin exhaust & mild mufflers. It has Beautiful White leather interior & Black New Carpet. All chrome is new. There is 1 small pimple on right side of top of tail fin Trim. It has Front Disc. Brakes with a booster mounted in the trunk & a vacum reservoy mounted under the hood.The car has not been driven more than aprox. 2,00 miles a yr. in the last 5 yrs. but starts & runs smooth as glass. Glass is original but in excellent shape. The car has always been Garage kept and has not felt rain since 1996. The only thing it needs is the conv. top frame has broken twice now. I had the first one repaired(rewelded very nicely but it tore a small hole in an almost new top when it broke). I don't know why it broke, the top motor, hydralics & lines are all nearly new. One of the primary reasons I am selling is that I now live in N. Myrtle Beach,SC and quality repairs are non existant and I can't afford(retired) to keep sending it away for repair. That and the fact that it's to valuable for me to drive in case of damage ,I don't have the funds to pay for repairs if the Insurance doesn't cover it.
If you wanted to make this vehicle a 10+ car, you could accomplish this perhaps with less than $10,000.00 I love this car and it is an excellent restored vehicle that fuctions wonderfully. I need to sell but I want give it away. Serious inquires only.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Plymouth-geougeous-nearly-perfect-19...
OK, a 58 Plymouth Conv to me is right up there with a 58 big-bodied Desoto Conv as the best looking production cars ever made, but man oh man, this guy is dreaming.
This one was built at the same place my convertible was, and appx 2000 digits after.
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1958 Plymouth Belvedere Convertible - eBay - $110K
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Location: CA | So there is my missing nameplate on his trunk! lol! Nice car but I think it will be a tough sell for that price having taken so many non stock liberties with the restoration. Gorgeous car though! |
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Starting Bid £110k.. Reserve NOT Met......... WOW |
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Location: Central Alberta | good looking car, but he`ll have to sell it for half the asking price! |
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Location: Harrison, NY | The owner of this car is absolutely out of is mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Big pimpin' | Holy crap, and no bumper wings...I just can't get with those wheels though.. Nice 4BBL addition. A small block car bringin' that kinda askin' money will surely have a few "Ask seller a question" I'm sure.
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Location: The Mile High City | At first I thought the seller was nuts, but then I saw the picture of the seven button radio.
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Location: Connecticut | I see how this works. Seller puts it out there just to let people with serious $$$ know it's for sale. Someone with more money than brains and not much knowledge offers 75-80K. Which is probably what the seller realistically wants, but IMHO, is still way too much, considering all the non-stock additions and the broken convertible top frame. Ron
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Location: CA | What part of the conv top is subject to breaking? |
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Location: Central Alberta | I`ve never heard of a converible frame brake on a driver, I wouldn`t know where, there is not that much stress on it at any time! We certainly never had a problem like that.
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Location: Connecticut | Finsinthemirror - 2011-06-28 12:44 AM What part of the conv top is subject to breaking? I think it's a case where either something heavy fell on the frame (possibly while it was off during the resto), or someone had the bright idea to try to sit on the top  Ron
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Location: Williams California | Finsinthemirror - 2011-06-27 9:44 PM
What part of the conv top is subject to breaking?
It is common for the top frame to break at the main pivots above the hydraulic cylinders due to lack of lubricant, or misadjustment. This part of the top frame is cast aluminum.
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Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado | No way, not worth 110k at all, maybe 50k. Maybe. Add the door panels to the list of "things not done right". |
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Location: CA | There is no shortage of things "not done right," it's missing nearly all of the aluminum trim on the rear of the car. Namely the tails beneath the tail lights and the strip beneath the deck lid which are on all Belvederes. It's missing the stone guards on the rear wheel wells too. It's a nice car but it will take quite a bit to make it right.
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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | Is there anything on this car that's correct?? I mean for $25,000 to $30,000 it's not a big deal, but for $110,000 it should have 200 original miles and be nicer than any car that has been restored by, say Tom White??????......... |
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Location: Sept. 1958 | Here are two e-mails I have gotten from the seller. I e-mailed him regarding the price.
"Dear Sir-I bought this car off an estate auction over 20yrs. ago. It was in great shape then and has really never given me any major problems/ I had it appraised in 2000 for $85K by a professional Company-Would be Happy to photo copy and fax to you-I don't know how to get it on my computer. I Love this car and have always said I would never sell it. It runs as good as it looks and handles wonderfully. What kind of figue did you have in mind-please don't insult me, I would never insult you. Will entertain a reasonalble offer as I am sick and can no longer enjoy it."
"This may be the most reliable of all the ones you've seen, mechanically and it is certainly one of, if not the best of the best. I have had it over 20yrs. and it has proven to be most reliable. This new top frame thing just popped up recently and I don't live in an area where their are any qualified people to properly repair. The upholstery is not original, I had original redone but the redo did not last as long as the original-so I changed. I will accept a reasonable offer but I have over $100K in it over the past 20yrs. When I redid anything I did it right and money was not an issue."
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Location: CA | No offense intended but a car with a broken top (or a top with a bad fix prone to breaking) isn't "reliable." Convertible parts are very expensive and near impossible to find. That's the major problem this gentleman is fighting with selling this car I'd think. The trim, fixing the holes that were filled and drilled isn't too big of a deal. The convertible specific parts which are broken or not repaired correctly is a big deal. I wonder what it would appraise at if he were honest about its condition to someone who is actually familiar with these cars TODAY?
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | christine-lover - 2011-07-02 10:27 AM
Here are two e-mails I have gotten from the seller. I e-mailed him regarding the price.
"Dear Sir-I bought this car off an estate auction over 20yrs. ago. It was in great shape then and has really never given me any major problems/ I had it appraised in 2000 for $85K by a professional Company-Would be Happy to photo copy and fax to you-I don't know how to get it on my computer. I Love this car and have always said I would never sell it. It runs as good as it looks and handles wonderfully. What kind of figue did you have in mind-please don't insult me, I would never insult you. Will entertain a reasonalble offer as I am sick and can no longer enjoy it."
"This may be the most reliable of all the ones you've seen, mechanically and it is certainly one of, if not the best of the best. I have had it over 20yrs. and it has proven to be most reliable. This new top frame thing just popped up recently and I don't live in an area where their are any qualified people to properly repair. The upholstery is not original, I had original redone but the redo did not last as long as the original-so I changed. I will accept a reasonable offer but I have over $100K in it over the past 20yrs. When I redid anything I did it right and money was not an issue."
The guy really doesn't even realize that the statement he made ( in bold ) is actually false...... he obviously didn't do it right ( or "correct"). Had he done it correctly he might stand a chance of getting something like 70-80K out of it but not when the interior is completely wrong, trim is missing, wheels are wrong......
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Location: Parts Unknown | Lancer Mike - 2011-06-29 1:57 PM
Personally, I hope the seller gets their asking price and more. If they do:
1. Ben Bernanke will personally declare the Great Recession over and done; and
2. Other Forwardlook convertible owners will be rich! :dollar:
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"Rich" is a matter of perspective. You only get the $$ IF and ONLY IF you let it go.
If that is never your intention, then the escalating prices only become a burden to
those who just want to own and drive them, from parts and repair to theft concerns.
If it were a nice old car, worth $500, no one would care beyond "Hey, neat old car!"
But when they become rolling bank vaults, parts walk off and finding new ones is flat-
out impossible. I am always concerned about my steering wheel clock and Adventurer
wheelcovers growing legs.
"Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it" 
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Location: Sept. 1958 | imopar380 - 2011-07-02 10:57 PM
QUOTE] The guy really doesn't even realize that the statement he made ( in bold ) is actually false...... he obviously didn't do it right ( or "correct"). Had he done it correctly he might stand a chance of getting something like 70-80K out of it but not when the interior is completely wrong, trim is missing, wheels are wrong......
No doubt. I e-mailed the seller telling him what these have been selling for, and it's nowhere near his price. If he really has to sell it, he needs to lower his price. It's a nice driver, but not a full blown correct restoration, I just can't see the $100K he put into it. |
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Location: Harrison, NY | I believe this car is being sold by either an estate lawyer and or a consignor who ofcourse is looking to score a sucker at $110K This car is cheaply restored. Just look at the trunk carpeting, the emblem on the trunk lid, the wheels, the conv top frame broke and this car has no options. If this guy received $35K he would be lucky, very lucky. The car is a nice driver and thats it!!!!! |
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Location: Big pimpin' | You guys are assuming this guy put $100K into this car through JUST BUYING PARTS....NOT all the $$ tied up in a car is just in the purchasing of said parts. IT's the LABOR to install parts that causes the price to go up..This guy is dreaming if he thinks he will get back every dime he has invested over the last ten years. If that was his/her original intent, then he should have gotten out when the market was good and not gotten in so deep. Has anybody every noticed that People will get on Evil-Bay and buy said parts, then Almost as if like clockwork, they tend to try and find the CHEAPEST person to install said parts? My question is Why pay $500 for that part, then look for a person to install it for $5.00? For whatever reason, NONE of you here even thought about the LABOR side of the restoration of this car....You only thought about the money laid out for the parts side...Restoration comes in two flavors people...PARTS AND LABOR if you can't do it yourself, which most like this gent. can't...
As with anything else dealing with automobiles, The general public will ALWAYS think the Labor side of the restoration is always negotiable untill it comes time to resell said vehicle....THEN the labor paid becomes important..How do we know this guy didn't have $25K in LABOR paying someone to paint and buff that shiney paint?
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Location: Sept. 1958 | dukeboy - 2011-07-03 10:23 AM
You guys are assuming this guy put $100K into this car through JUST BUYING PARTS....NOT all the $$ tied up in a car is just in the purchasing of said parts. IT's the LABOR to install parts that causes the price to go up..This guy is dreaming if he thinks he will get back every dime he has invested over the last ten years. If that was his/her original intent, then he should have gotten out when the market was good and not gotten in so deep. Has anybody every noticed that People will get on Evil-Bay and buy said parts, then Almost as if like clockwork, they tend to try and find the CHEAPEST person to install said parts? My question is Why pay $500 for that part, then look for a person to install it for $5.00? For whatever reason, NONE of you here even thought about the LABOR side of the restoration of this car....You only thought about the money laid out for the parts side...Restoration comes in two flavors people...PARTS AND LABOR if you can't do it yourself, which most like this gent. can't...
As with anything else dealing with automobiles, The general public will ALWAYS think the Labor side of the restoration is always negotiable untill it comes time to resell said vehicle....THEN the labor paid becomes important..How do we know this guy didn't have $25K in LABOR paying someone to paint and buff that shiney paint?
As an auto tech myself, I know about labor. But seeing what I see here for that kind of money to do things right as he says, it should be more correct. Not knocking the car, would love to own it, infact I missed out on one last year very similiar to this for $28K. |
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Location: Northen Virginia | Home equity loans are over, $480.000 homes worth $150.000 and so on with $110,000 ragtop worth about $35,000 today, same with gullwins, woodies, Daytonas etc. If you didn’t sell your home and your car in 2004 then you missed the window. |
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Location: bishop, ca | (early) 2007 was probably the Economic cut-off date, Denis.
But, who's counting?
2000 was just about the high water mark in selling cars; that's about when the Japanese got out of their buying frenzy on
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Location: Georgia | After reading the seller's description, it sounds as though he has not enjoyed owning/driving the car for many years for fear of "reducing" her value from damage or wear.
That, to me, is the worst part of this listing. Why own such a fine ride and not enjoy it?
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Location: The Mile High City | This fella had it appraised in 2000 for $85,000 - he should have sold way back then. Still hard to believe that any appraiser would put that price on it even in those days.
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Location: Houston | Appraisers are paid liars. |
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Location: The Mile High City | You know, they should guarantee their appraisals. If you can't sell it in six months for that price with national advertising, they should buy it for 90% of their appraisal value. That would be placing your money where your mouth is! You would see those appraised values get realistic very quickly.
-one part of the problem that dragged everything to rack and ruin in 2008.
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Location: Sept. 1958 | Just passing this on, I got an e-mail from the guy selling this, told me he's sick and can't keep care of it anymore. I asked what kind of offers he has gotten and he told me he was offered $45K from a dealer. |
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Location: central Illinois | Probably $45k from someone wanting to lock it away in a museum. Then it can be advertised as a former museum car and be worth over $100k !!! |
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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia ! | Naw, it's the same dealer in Florida that has the blue and yeller Ply convts, the pink and blck '59 DeS convt and the '57 DeS convt. He lives on a street with a 24 mph speed limit sign |
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Location: bishop, ca | The psychology of the $110K Reserve-Not-Met opening bid is to fish for wealthy buyers (and/or their sig-others) who
would fall in love with the car's physical appearance, for, what's $100,000.00 when you are in lust?
The buyer would see the 110, but think that he's winning the transaction by offering something under 100Large, which
the seller would, then, reluctantly accept, after protesting the economic loss that he would be sustaining on the deal.
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