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Elite Veteran Posts: 957    Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Thanks, guys... Moments ago, I was talking to one of our customers who has his Porsche 912 here at the moment. I walked up front to make sure that nothing was leaking after having run it yesterday and driving it... looks good.... He was up there in the front garage, checking out my Plymouth. He saw me walk over to it, and was asking what engine it had, was it a '57 or a '58... Was I restoring it? that sort of thing. Turns out he had a '58 Fury when it was new. I was kinda dismissing the "Fury" notion.. it seems like everybody owned a "Fury" if they owned a Plymouth, you know how it is. But then He was talking about remembering how it was a "sort of a light color... but not white"... how he remembered the Three speed push-button transmission, the long, leaning front fenders, the big fins "Just like this one" and it having a "Big long shiny gold spear" that ran all the way down the body... I guess he knew what he was talking about afterall. He was loving mine. Cool old guy. He's been here a number of times, but untill I saw him checking out my car, hadn't really talked to him before.  | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | SavoyPlaza - 2012-03-08 4:23 PM That's one of the best by-products of these old cars, is talking with an older person who had one in his youth. Great progress on a fine car, Rick! Pete I have to agree. I never get tired of talking with people about this car. It's funny how many people you encounter who used to own one. I've been keeping it away from my grandfather untill it's ready to roll. He asks me about it whenever I see him.  And thanks for the words, Pete. I am really enjoying this build. It's been a long time since I was this excited about a car. Edited by BarnFind57 2012-03-09 8:22 AM | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Hauled her back to the house to get started up on the body work today... Kinda snug in there, I can work one side, then turn her around and do the other.... (002b.jpg) (003b.jpg) (004b.jpg) (013b.jpg) (016b.jpg) Attachments ----------------  002b.jpg (245KB - 143 downloads) 003b.jpg (218KB - 138 downloads) 004b.jpg (204KB - 147 downloads) 013b.jpg (232KB - 129 downloads) 016b.jpg (214KB - 130 downloads) | ||
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 Location: Parts Unknown | SavoyPlaza - 2012-03-09 1:23 PM That's one of the best by-products of these old cars, is talking with an older person who had one in his youth. Great progress on a fine car, Rick! Pete %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My greatest pleasure in owning these cars is the smiles it puts on the faces of passing people as you drive it, or the people that might come ask or tell you about one they had. You get some wing-ding idiots in the mix that can be pretty funny too. But out in the general public, most are just good folks who have just had their day made by seeing the car their Aunt Myrtle had. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | I have some other stuff to tend to first thing today, but I plan on starting the work on the body this afternoon sometime. With any luck, I hope to have the welding done in the next couple of weeks (it's really not bad at all), and get this thing in primer.... I hope....  I am looking forward to seeing her shiny once more. And, yeah, I hear ya Doc. as for the "wing-ding idiots" as you call them.... they make me smile on the inside... I can usually stop short of laughing in their face....  | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Front inner fenders sanded down (engine compartment side), primed and bathed in Semi-gloss Black.... Very pretty.... Most of the undercoating was in really good shape (not hard and brittle and flaking off like most of what I have seen) so I just sprayed a thin overall coat to make it alll clean and even again, shot it a little heavier in the spots where it came off when I pressure washed them. I also got the heater case and fan housing back on, and a few days ago I got in the mail a new idler arm bushing and some NORS back-up lenses to replace the (1) weathered/splintered and the (1) broken one. The speed I am moving at right now, I keep telling people to watch out, it's very likely they will get hit with something flying.... Also got something coming from John at Big M that will really help the overall appearance of the car in time (and budget) for the wedding.... Less than three months away... I think I can.... | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Engine compartment done enough for now.... On to the rest of the body work. Pics: (035b.jpg) (037b.jpg) (039b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 035b.jpg (244KB - 136 downloads) 037b.jpg (243KB - 120 downloads) 039b.jpg (225KB - 140 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Yeah... I was trying to leave as much original as possible everywhere, but once that shiny fresh engine was in there, I thought... "Well, now... that looks like doo-doo..." So I have been trying to touch up everything... just ran out of time last night. It will get some fresh paint too, for sure. I just need to get started on the body... the weather is beautiful, and I need to get this thing on the road. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Busy all day Saturday, running round with mama trying to get some errands done. Got about a half day in today.... Removed the seats, the rubber floor coverings, vacuumed out all the crusty stuff living under the mats... I was pretty happy to see the floor is in fact completely intact, just some surface rust on the rear half, and a little bit of rot along that nasty attempted repair on the passenger rocker repair.. I did get a good look at what was going on with the crap repair job at the right rear dogleg area... The floor area was wrinkled up pretty good, along with the lower part of the wheelwell. The good news is that the entire damage area is smaller than the surface area of a basketball. The part of the floor that had wrinkled from the impact had left a gap at the outer edge that the body shop "repaired" by laying a thick piece of rubber mat on top of the hole... Nice... Then, to "fix" the rocker damage to the rear section, they used a new rocker repair section and attached it with sheet metal screws.... on top of the original rocker... again, Nice... There was actually shiny paint on the original rocker when I pulled the rusty "outer - outer" rocker off. Got most of that nasty stuff cut out, starting to line up the new inner and outer rocker sections before having to call it quits for the day. Pretty good progress for the time I had. Got a bit more trimming and cutting out to do, should start welding in new metal before the week is out. | ||
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Regular Posts: 74 Location: Falicon 06 France | Nice job you're doing here, your engine bay is stunning !!!! | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Been tearing into the rocker mess pretty hard and heavy. Hit a major milestone tonight.... FINALLY started welding on this big gal. Got the floor edge trimmed up, fabricated a narrow strip to run along the edge to replace the rotted steel. Welded the strip up, then started welding the inner rocker in and joining the two together. I am doing the forward half first, then, once that is tacked in place helping hold things still, I will be cutting out the damaged rear section and repairing that mess. Exciting Stuff. Some more pics to catch everybody up.... (012b.jpg) (028b.jpg) (035b.jpg) (037b.jpg) (042b.jpg) (043b.jpg) (067b.jpg) (068b.jpg) (079b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 012b.jpg (220KB - 130 downloads) 028b.jpg (225KB - 140 downloads) 035b.jpg (178KB - 249 downloads) 037b.jpg (174KB - 205 downloads) 042b.jpg (150KB - 133 downloads) 043b.jpg (255KB - 141 downloads) 067b.jpg (248KB - 137 downloads) 068b.jpg (223KB - 127 downloads) 079b.jpg (238KB - 124 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | d500neil - 2012-03-19 11:05 PM Hope that Bondo Sculpture, you just ruined, wasn't created by anyone famous! So much for the Antiques Roadshow. Pretty sure I didn't affect the resale value of that mess.  | ||
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Regular Posts: 74 Location: Falicon 06 France | The amount of rust is impressive  | ||
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Expert Posts: 2788 Location: USA - KY | Wow...you don't fool around! Great work. Pretty engine too! | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | I forgot to post this pic... this is what the rocker behind the "screwed and glued" repair panel looked like.... I could see my reflection clearly in the paint. It appears that the damage was confined to the rear door section and back. Most likely the rust didn't come up till after the "repair"... I say that because The driver's side rocker section is just lovely, without so much as a hint of rust to it. (049b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 049b.jpg (221KB - 148 downloads) | ||
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Regular Posts: 74 Location: San Antonio,Texas | Hello great car,great work its originality is quite impressive , I like that your going as original as possible its a great thread. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | 318fins - 2012-03-22 5:40 PM Hello great car,great work its originality is quite impressive , I like that your going as original as possible its a great thread. :) Thanks for the kudos, man. I must say yours is a lot more ambitious than what I am doing here. I have done full-on rebuilds before for myself and others, but this is a lot easier. I am really big on original cars, so I try to keep them that way when I can if it's possible.... That's part of why I was so excited when I found this one. The exceptions to that are I strive for mechanical reliability, so I go through all of that... and I wanted to fix the rot and do away with the bondo.... I don't think they left the factory body with body work this bad.... well, not quite... | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7809 Location: Williams California | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1155 Location: somerville mass | i have been following your find and restoration of your 57 savoy since day 1! found (pretty solid away fom the elements!) in a barn/garage in n.j. your work and attn to detail is amazing! so original not driven for years. i love all that stuff you found in the glove box and the orig. keys! it is gonna look so nice when your done! your almost there! gonna paint it orig. color or a different two tone? clean up the front seat with sms or similar. carpet wont hurt. no power steering... r&h in newspaper ads 50's and 60's - radio and heater - was a big deal. some basic cars ply dodge ch%&y f%&d came with niether stock! no tunes and you froze your azz off! power disc brake conversion? petronix ignition? great work,man! we're almost there!!!! | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Thanks, Steve.... yep, she's gettin' close.... As for the color, sticking with the original two-tone Satin Gray over Silver Charcoal. I always wanted something you don't often see when searching for one of these cars as it was, and that color combo is not too common from the pics that I have seen. The fact that it actually looks pretty cool just adds to the allure. I have been pretty successful with the local paint shop guys mixing my colors. He is gonna tweak the lighter color just a bit to get it dead on. (It currently has a slight green to the hue vs a more blue-gray.) Gonna put some cheap slip covers over the seats as a temporary "so I can drive it for the Spring" but plans are for SMS to fix the fabric portion and clean up the original vinyl. The glovebox contents and build code sheets are like icing on the cake for the cool history on the car and the town it lived in all of it's life. I love the bought after the fact Motorola AM that it has in it, so that will stay, and the rear rubber mat is perfect although the front one is pretty badly split around the pedals and worn through from old lady high-heels from the years. I will leave them for now and maybe replace them later on. Drum brakes for now, but I am super picky in that area, so they will be tip-top before they ever leave my driveway. And a Petronix? I'm way to old-school for that stuff. I just toss and extra set in the car just in case of emergency. I have been a die-hard points gap adjuster for decades... And I'm only 37. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Wow.... hard to believe that today marks the one year anniversary of my first post here. I think I am gonna get all sentimental or something... nah, never mind that mess.... I was in Nashville all of this past weekend, so no Plymouth progress for those days.... last night I managed to install my oil filter adapter plate for the spin-on filter, and then got some more done on the rocker. I finished welding up the forward section of the inner rocker, then got the rear section properly aligned and the rear brace cut out, straightened, and welded back in and welded it up to the inner rocker as well. Also, the damaged floor section is cut out, and I will be installing that soon as well. Every little bit is strengthening up the door sill. It's getting there. I hope to have the remainder of the inner rocker sections done tonight, and, maybe even start installing the outer rocker. Hope to have time this coming weekend to get some more of the body work done. I also started a little temporary "budget re-chrome" on the few pieces that are actually chrome... pics to post of that when I finish, but it's actually coming out pretty nicely. Lots of work happening here. June 9th is the date of the wedding, and it's coming pretty fast at this point. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | A little bit got done here... I got a big box from Williams, California day before yesterday. A new used better than what I had by a long shot rear bumper from Big M Auto. Actually, mine was a straight, but completely rusted turd, and the new one is a bit of beautiful, and completely rust-free (well, a little surface stuff on the back side, but nobody will see that.)... Big thanks for that huge leap forward, John! Got the inner rocker mostly done the other day, then got the outer welded up night before last... closed the door, looked at it and realized the darned thing was crooked on the top edge... had to cut it loose on the top edge and re-do it. The front door was hanging out about a 1/4" over the rocker when I closed it. I have to be careful about making measurements with a tape measure after 10 o'clock from now on...  Luckily, I hadn't seam welded anything yet, it was just tacked in.... Thank you overlapped seam welding... Anyway, it's in, it's straight (now) starting to work the forward inner section, then the dogleg... then, it's on to the damaged spot of rear floor once the outer part is in and straight. Should have a good bit of time this weekend to get some work done. I really underestimated how bad the previous repair had been to the car. It really didn't look that bad, but it turns out that is all just SLIGHTLY off, so it's taking some time to get it right... But, that's the only way I am gonna do it. I still have to remove all the filler in the passenger rear quarter, and pull it outward. (the lower rear edge of the rear door hangs about 1/2" out beyond the body at one spot. (and that's after the 3/8" or so of body filler piled on there.) It's gettin' there. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | 57plymouth - 2012-03-30 4:22 PM Nothing is easy when there is old body damage buried under bondo! You, sir, are correct... Busy couple of days, including a lot of today.... Much good werk... Today I got the forward section of the outer rocker seam welded and the rear braced and aligned on the outer. got the damaged dogleg out and the new one in. Straightened the wheel arch some more. Cut a damaged section out where the edge had been creased. The seam for the wheelhouse to the body had actually broken loose (more build quality goodness, no doubt)... I drilled out the spot non-welds and plug welded them after hammering the seam straight. Began stripping the rear quarter of the layer of filler. Still gotta pull the damaged quarter back out. Slow going, but steady. This is the worst part, so I wanted to get it all done first. Pics: (032b.jpg) (038b.jpg) (052b.jpg) (055b.jpg) (071b.jpg) (081b.jpg) (111b.jpg) (101b.jpg) (119b.jpg) (095b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 032b.jpg (234KB - 141 downloads) 038b.jpg (238KB - 140 downloads) 052b.jpg (217KB - 129 downloads) 055b.jpg (140KB - 138 downloads) 071b.jpg (227KB - 127 downloads) 081b.jpg (175KB - 230 downloads) 111b.jpg (151KB - 134 downloads) 101b.jpg (179KB - 248 downloads) 119b.jpg (139KB - 130 downloads) 095b.jpg (162KB - 138 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | And, finally, Sunday afternoon and Monday evening I managed to finish pulling the forward section of the rear quarter out, along with the fender lip. I also had to work the whole remaining quarter back straight. (The impact had actually bowed the remaining 2/3 of the quarter out)... Came out pretty nice, just needs a thin coat of filler in the forward section by the door, and a few remaining dings to pull. (nothing like the 1/2" or so gap we started with there. From here on out, it's just some more minor rot repair and dents and ding stuff.. wreck damage is all gone. Pics, of course.... (005b.jpg) (008b.jpg) (015b.jpg) (018b.jpg) (028b.jpg) (025b.jpg) (023b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 005b.jpg (158KB - 132 downloads) 008b.jpg (164KB - 143 downloads) 015b.jpg (157KB - 117 downloads) 018b.jpg (150KB - 119 downloads) 028b.jpg (191KB - 137 downloads) 025b.jpg (165KB - 115 downloads) 023b.jpg (221KB - 126 downloads) | ||
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Member Posts: 41 Location: Cognac , S-W of France | You' re doing a nice job Rick ! Edited by Metalshop16 2012-04-03 8:03 AM | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Metalshop16 - 2012-04-03 8:00 AM You' re doing a nice job Rick ! Thanks, man.... as an added bonus, the door gap before was pinched together at the top edge, and the door would drag terribly when you opened and closed the door. Now, the gap is even, and she opens and closes super smooth. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Got the paint stripped from the passenger quarter and both doors... found a couple of plastic filler surprises... no big deal, though. I will pull the dents, fix the itty bitty bits of rust, and keep on kicking. I also kept looking at the rear door edge line on the quarter, it was really bothering me that it wasn't quite back in line, and the whole purpose is to eliminate as much body filler as possible here.... Finally figured out why it's not quite out all the way. One surface in the door jamb is actually inset/pushed in at the rear edge. I had been looking right at it, but didn't realize the problem untill running my hand over it a coupe times. On the driver's side, the same section is flat with the body. I plan to cut a relief in that section, and should be able to pull it out the rest of the way. I also pulled the exterior door handles (held my breath a bit on the rear door due to the rusty rust) and the fron lock cylinder... Last, I got the siezed regulator and glass out of the rear door, and got it freed up and moving beautifully. The window seal was poop in that door, causing all the rust behind the noise insulation and the stuck window. The metal is still pretty thick, though, so I plan on fixing the little bits, knocking off the loose surface rust, and hitting the inner part of the door with some POR15. I am sitting in the garage, looking at a rebuilt engine, detailed engine bay, smooth bare metal and lots of repair and welded up body sections, and thinking back about how I kept talking about just getting it running and not messing with the body at first.... yeah... right.... | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | No, it's not done yet....  My metal is kinda a hodgepodge of everything from everywhere.... - New Inner/Outer Rockers from RockAuto... not perfect, but pretty decent, supposedly US made, and Cheap. - Fender/dogleg patch NOS... ebay.... - Inner headlamp panels, NOS, Very dusty from years on the shelf in a body shop, STUPID cheap off of eBay.... - One outer headlamp panel, NOS, still gotta get the other side. The rest I am fabricating myself.... I did kinda cheat on the inner part of the rocker sill.... I used a cut-off part from a door skin section from a VW bus, the fit/contour were perfect. Good times. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | oldwood - 2012-04-05 2:05 PM Nothing like good old GERMAN sheetmetal. Brazilian, actually... That way I can go up to complete strangers and ask them if they want to see my Brazilian..... ...panel.... | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Thanks, Neil... and you are right... I am a bit anal retentive about my body-working... I honestly believe if I am this far into one, just half-arse is not the way to fly. It seems kinda silly to strip one all the way down, then fill it with bondo, and spray something cheap on top.... Don't get me wrong, I have done it if that's what people want, but I prefer the slow and right method. The door gap is near perfect top to bottom, and I started working the quarter some more with the stud welder and slide hammer after cutting a relief gap in the jamb near the tweaked edge, and it's starting to come more in line with the door... should need just a small amount of filler to make it just right. I might have to straighten up the driver's side a little so the difference between me in 2012 and Evansville in 1957 isn't so obvious.... And, to answer your comment, Gord... YES! I can't wait to see this girl in her two-tone gray glory again. The body is coming along very well. The biggest secret to a beautiful paint job is the quality of work under it. Although I am looking at a deadline just over 2 months away, I am still determined to do it right. I want to do it once, then drive it for the rest of my life. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | db300 - 2012-04-08 7:25 PM Love the Hazet Tool Buddy! What VW's do you have? I'm getting ready to embark on my first Mopar/non-VW myself. That cart was the very last one in the warehouse at Zelenda in New York when they changed over to the new style carts. I love that little guy. I have owned as many as six at one time, but I realized that you never do have time to work on them all, so you just end up with a pile of broken junk everywhere. I only have one now... a Velvet Green '67 SO-42 Westfalia Bus... I have almost sold it a couple of times, and have been offered quite a bit for her.... and it's a project to say the least, but I just can't make myself part with my one and only V-dub. Edited by BarnFind57 2012-04-09 6:39 AM | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | With the quarter pulled all the way out, finally... (it's now within 1/8" or less from lining up with the door)... dents pulled out of the quarter, and the front door.... (041b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 041b.jpg (188KB - 135 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | |||
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Regular Posts: 74 Location: Falicon 06 France | Very very impressive work !!!!! | ||
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