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Posted 2010-10-25 8:18 PM (#247024)
Subject: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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One of the scarcest and most sought after of the Virgil Exner Chrysler's are the Imperial Convertibles. Between the years of 1957 and 1960, it has been said that there are less than 150 total remaining. Without question, the most hard to find are the Hemi V-8 equipped 1958's. With the country in the thick of a serious economic downturn, buyers were not coming to the dealers and orders were not placed for the 1958 models from any car manufacturer. After having outsold Lincoln the year prior, the Imperial suddenly found itself almost sale-proof (like many luxury car that year).

Only 675 were built and with a survival rate of less than 10%, perhaps 20 road worthy unmolested Imperial Convertibles remain today.

What we have here is one of the only original factory Matador Red Imperial convertibles ever built (Paint code PPP) with several important options including speed control. More later on both of these things.

Before I get further, I expect several questions:

1) Yes, I have TONS of high resolution photos. Please ask. Ebay only permits 24 pictures and I know I was not able to show as much as I want to.
2) The car is actually indoors. I had my guy take it out earlier today for the photo shoot, the fog rolled in and whoops. It is back in the garage.
3) The aircleaner is with the car but off. I have a photo of it. it is the correct '58 only air cleaner.

It is a two owner car that comes from a respected family in central Colorado. The owner was high up in the police department and was well liked and respected in town. The car was purchased from the original owner in the late 1960's and carried original paint so there is no question about the authenticity of the original paint on this car. They used the car extensively around towns and for parades maintaining it as needed until the owners death within the last year. I am selling the car as a result.

This is not in any way a show car. It is a largely original car that has some body rust but a very solid original frame. The rust is confined to the drivers side fenders (front and rear) and for some reason did not impact the passenger side to any real extent. It could be driven as is but I would think a restoration of some sort is in order. According to the data plate, the car was ordered with a special code PPP Matador Red paint. The current owners acquired the car from the original owner and it had not been repainted ever to the best of their knowledge. I state with strong confidence that this car is one of only a hand full of Matador red cars from the factory.

The exterior is original and complete. The sheet metal is original throughout and has rust areas that can clearly be seen in the pictures mostly on the drivers side. The fenders can be repaired. The chrome and trim is entirely complete with the exception of the two front fender 'eyebrows' that are missing. Aside from those two items, the trim is complete. The trim around the windows and vent windows is remarkably good with NO bubbling or pitting what-so-ever. Those parts are hugely expensive once pitted to repair. The bumpers are straight with no dents or damage anywhere. The front grill is also good to go as is with no damage whatsoever. The paint is average with chips throughout. There are no dents and serious damage anywhere. The rocker panels are original and sound. The glass is all original and the front windshield has a crack in it.

Inside the car are good signs of care-taking by the long-term ownership. The seats were recovered in vinyl but the original leather remains underneath. To protect the floors, they put down carpet scraps and the effort succeeded as the floors are excellent and rust free. The dash instrumentation is all there and works well. The odometer shows a hair over 99K miles and based on everything I can see, I can't disprove that reading. Included in the rather long option list are the upgraded town and country (seven button) radio, power seats, power windows and power steering and brakes. About the most interesting option is the factory speed control which is still in place. It is the dial just under the factory clock (see pictures). I had never seen speed control on an imperial before.

The top components are 100% complete. The top is original (or a very very old replacement) and has obvious issues (the tear on the passenger side being the most visible and serious). All of the top framework is excellent original and has been lubricated just this week to allow the top to be put up and down manually. There is a boot as well that fits (it was on the car as we pulled it out of the garage) but I suspect it is NOT original to the car.

Underneath the car is the solid and rust free original frame. The tires have good tread but I have no idea how old they are. The brakes work but have NOT been serviced. I just put fresh fuel in the car and the car starts, runs and yard drives. The trunk is in good order as well with a solid floor and extra parts.

There are at least two (maybe three..I am not sure) extra correct hub caps with the car.

1958's are the most sought after of the Imperials because A) they are scarce to begin with and B) they are the last of the big Hemi equipped cars. Here is a chance to acquire one with unquestioned provenance, a very rare factory ordered model and ready for a ground-up restoration having freshly been pulled from the garage where it has resided for the last 40+ years. As always, I can be reached by clicking the contact seller link or by calling me at 860-883-3998.

Many thanks and good luck.

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Posted 2010-10-25 9:58 PM (#247045 - in reply to #247024)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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Kinda expensive for a car needing a full restoration.

What's up with the blue intake ? Is that correct for this car ?

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Posted 2010-10-25 11:06 PM (#247050 - in reply to #247024)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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Auction seems to have been taken down.

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Posted 2010-10-26 1:15 AM (#247057 - in reply to #247050)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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imopar380 - 2010-10-25 10:06 PM

Auction seems to have been taken down.

must be a problem with my link.

eBay item number: 120638774940
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrysler-Imperial-Crown-Convertible-...

Lancer Mike

Posted 2010-10-26 3:44 PM (#247117 - in reply to #247057)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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Seen this one a few times before

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=25370&posts=16&highlight=58%20conv&highlightmode=1#M171305

The price has come down, but the puffery in the description is getting bolder.

Started in Colorado, moved to Utah, now in Connecticut - and nobody had bothered to change the plates! Probably not a good sign.

Edited by Lancer Mike 2010-10-26 3:49 PM

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Posted 2010-10-26 4:03 PM (#247121 - in reply to #247024)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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Yeah, $53K B-I-N (or Make-Offer!) is quite the purchase price come down, from the $150K opening bid, in the previous auction!

This message board is incredibly valuable to us, but, arguably, not-so-great to some...car sellers!

Edited by d500neil 2010-10-26 4:06 PM

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Posted 2010-10-26 4:12 PM (#247122 - in reply to #247024)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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can anyone tell me why the door has two window switches, and the rear seat has one too?

Thanks

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Posted 2010-10-26 4:38 PM (#247129 - in reply to #247024)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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one switch for the vent window...one for the regular window.

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Posted 2010-10-26 4:57 PM (#247130 - in reply to #247129)
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TexasDart - 2010-10-26 3:38 PM

one switch for the vent window...one for the regular window.

one switch is for the main window and the second is for the power locks which were and industry 1st on '58 Imperials.
the back seat only needs one switch for the quarter window.

KcImperial

Posted 2010-10-26 5:00 PM (#247131 - in reply to #247117)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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Lancer Mike - 2010-10-26 2:44 PM

Seen this one a few times before

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=25370&posts=16&highlight=58%20conv&highlightmode=1#M171305

The price has come down, but the puffery in the description is getting bolder.

Started in Colorado, moved to Utah, now in Connecticut - and nobody had bothered to change the plates! Probably not a good sign.

completely forgot about seeing this one before. at least this seller kept the trunk lid closed and that trailer hitch hidden.

Lancer Mike

Posted 2010-10-26 5:15 PM (#247132 - in reply to #247057)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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The current owner wisely does not show any pictures of the trunk in the auction itself.

All things considered, I would rather have the $3,000 four-door hardtop 58 Imperial with the GM motor and tranny. With that car, at worst you are only down $3,000!

This convertible is just itchin' to give somebody a major cash bath!

Edited by Lancer Mike 2010-10-26 5:18 PM

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Posted 2010-10-26 8:37 PM (#247169 - in reply to #247024)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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Was the stand-up dash mounted tachometer a very rare option, on an IMP?

Check out Mike's posting of this car's original 4-sale pics....you can kinda see it, in the top-most pic, on this thread, too.

hemidenis

Posted 2010-10-26 10:39 PM (#247193 - in reply to #247024)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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I been with Imperial since 1992 and i never saw one with the optional "autopilot"

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Posted 2010-10-27 10:43 AM (#247232 - in reply to #247193)
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hemidenis - 2010-10-26 9:39 PM

I been with Imperial since 1992 and i never saw one with the optional "autopilot"

you got me by 1 year, bought my first Imperial in '93

this is also the first '58 I've seen with autopilot. The late production of June 6th on this car may be part of the reason.

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Posted 2010-10-27 12:01 PM (#247247 - in reply to #247024)
Subject: RE: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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It is a rare option, but most rare is the fact that my 1957 Crown (delivered in Feb. 1957) has the hole in the dash for it, just under the clock.

Of course, the hole in the metal frame only, not in the top plastic which make to believe that this option was ready before the introduction in 1958.

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Posted 2010-10-27 12:04 PM (#247248 - in reply to #247024)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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So with the dial installed there, where is the parking brake warning light?

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Posted 2010-10-27 12:17 PM (#247250 - in reply to #247248)
Subject: Re: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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I see the dash dial, but where is all the "perfect circle" autopilot stuff under the hood?

Edited by Lancer Mike 2010-10-27 12:27 PM

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Posted 2010-10-27 12:54 PM (#247255 - in reply to #247024)
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wheres the tach neil? i dont see it - a auto pilot knob, yes.... anybody who finds any 57-61

imp conv wants to try to cash in on it.... that vinyl on the seats.... paint nds to be buffed out

or use compound will bring it out not a show car can be a nice weekend car with tinkering

and spit and polish... worth 20k tops... hate to think of the cost to make it a show car...

collectors are barely breaking even at the auctions as it is.. some are "driven off...

unless your a zillionare at amelia or pebble beach.. sipping champagne buying prototypes....

KcImperial

Posted 2010-10-27 12:55 PM (#247256 - in reply to #247250)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-10-27 11:17 AM

I see the dash dial, but where is all the "perfect circle" autopilot stuff under the hood?

the vacuum canister is turned perpendicular to make room for the "perfect circle" between it and the brake booster but I can't see it in any of the pictures posted. The dash knob is correct per FSM photos.

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Posted 2010-10-27 1:09 PM (#247258 - in reply to #247024)
Subject: RE: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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body pretty solid the trim and chrome is good - presentable....the chassis not bad for a

52 yr old car... are those glasspacks under there? good gawd that must be loud!

says the leather is good under vinyl.. needs...

new paint / top / exhaust / may need a new front end / tires due to dry rot / fix

whatever accessories may not work...... we may be lookingat 15/20k in all here..

to make it nice... but still... 53k way too much...

KcImperial

Posted 2010-10-27 1:09 PM (#247259 - in reply to #247255)
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moparsteve - 2010-10-27 11:54 AM
wheres the tach neil? i dont see it - a auto pilot knob, yes.... anybody who finds any 57-61
imp conv wants to try to cash in on it.... that vinyl on the seats.... paint nds to be buffed out
or use compound will bring it out not a show car can be a nice weekend car with tinkering
and spit and polish... worth 20k tops... hate to think of the cost to make it a show car...
collectors are barely breaking even at the auctions as it is.. some are "driven off...
unless your a zillionare at amelia or pebble beach.. sipping champagne buying prototypes....

even with some sketchy details about this car, I'd show you a sold sign if it was selling for 20K tops

the tach can be seen in pictures from the old thread about this car. it's definitely aftermarket stuff.
http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=25370&post...

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Posted 2010-10-27 6:51 PM (#247313 - in reply to #247259)
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So, Don - all things considered - what is the most you would lay down for this car? I don't know Imperials very well, but I would start getting mighty queasy on this right around $20K.

d500neil

Posted 2010-10-27 8:47 PM (#247323 - in reply to #247024)
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Looks like a "Mileage Minder" vacuum gauge, too, on it.

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Posted 2010-10-27 9:47 PM (#247330 - in reply to #247313)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-10-27 5:51 PM

So, Don - all things considered - what is the most you would lay down for this car? I don't know Imperials very well, but I would start getting mighty queasy on this right around $20K.

How much would I personally lay down for this car? I'm not actively pursing a convertible purchase so that makes a big difference in what I'd pay. There were only 675 Imperial converts produced. This one is a Crown, red on red, and nicely optioned. The floor pans and frame look good in the picture, the chrome appears presentable, all the convert specific parts are present, and I have a decent stash of Imperial parts if needed.

It was suggested in this thread that the value should be $15-$20K. For that price, I wouldn't hesitate to buy and feel I got a bargain. If it was more than 20K I would start debating how bad I wanted it.

If you're asking the true value of this car to someone else in the open market, then I really don't know. I don't see these come up for sale often enough to define a fair pricing trend.

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Posted 2010-10-27 10:21 PM (#247336 - in reply to #247024)
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I agree Don, another 58 ragtop sold not long time ago for 18k, and this is a no AC car. I would say because the options 20k tops + another 20k to restore it. However, is hard to believe theses cars sell that cheap.

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Posted 2010-10-28 2:39 AM (#247363 - in reply to #247259)
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KcImperial - 2010-10-28 10:09 AM
the tach can be seen in pictures from the old thread about this car. it's definitely aftermarket stuff.
http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=25370&post...

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I believe that is a steam gauge peeking over the steering wheel center !

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Posted 2010-10-28 9:34 AM (#247385 - in reply to #247130)
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TexasDart - 2010-10-26 3:38 PM

one switch for the vent window...one for the regular window.

one switch is for the main window and the second is for the power locks which were and industry 1st on '58 Imperials.
the back seat only needs one switch for the quarter window.

Thanks Don!

Lancer Mike

Posted 2010-10-28 11:13 AM (#247396 - in reply to #247330)
Subject: RE: 1958 Chrysler Imperial Crown Convertible Barn Find

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KcImperial - 2010-10-27 7:47 PM
How much would I personally lay down for this car? I'm not actively pursing a convertible purchase so that makes a big difference in what I'd pay. There were only 675 Imperial converts produced. This one is a Crown, red on red, and nicely optioned. The floor pans and frame look good in the picture, the chrome appears presentable, all the convert specific parts are present, and I have a decent stash of Imperial parts if needed.

It was suggested in this thread that the value should be $15-$20K. For that price, I wouldn't hesitate to buy and feel I got a bargain. If it was more than 20K I would start debating how bad I wanted it.

If you're asking the true value of this car to someone else in the open market, then I really don't know. I don't see these come up for sale often enough to define a fair pricing trend.

Thanks, Don - that response is very sensible and well thought-out. You nailed my sentiment down better than I could. And it is true - on eBay, a seller has an opportunity to truly catch "lightning in a bottle" with a buyer who simply must have the item at any price.

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Posted 2010-10-28 3:59 PM (#247439 - in reply to #247248)
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hemidenis - 2010-10-27 6:04 PM

So with the dial installed there, where is the parking brake warning light?

The brake warning light is behind the brake release knob.
The Autopilot mechanism is indeed missing on that car (empty space in front of the brake booster).

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Posted 2010-10-28 6:19 PM (#247450 - in reply to #247439)
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Is that brake warning light special to the cars with the auto-pilot option? If so, that light must be a genuine rarity.

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Posted 2010-10-29 2:54 AM (#247484 - in reply to #247450)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-10-29 12:19 AM

Is that brake warning light special to the cars with the auto-pilot option? If so, that light must be a genuine rarity.

Yes it is indeed. Without the Autopilot, the flashing light (that doesn't flash in 1957) is located below the clock, where the Autopilot dial is.

You will also notice that the flitesweep decklid "dish" is wrong: it looks like a 1957's (round piece in the center) with an additional eagle. The hubcaps are also 1957's.

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Posted 2010-10-29 9:23 AM (#247495 - in reply to #247439)
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hemidenis - 2010-10-27 6:04 PM

So with the dial installed there, where is the parking brake warning light?

The brake warning light is behind the brake release knob.
The Autopilot mechanism is indeed missing on that car (empty space in front of the brake booster).

oohh now I gotta find one of those!

KcImperial

Posted 2010-10-29 9:25 AM (#247497 - in reply to #247484)
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Imp58Alpes - 2010-10-29 1:54 AM
...You will also notice that the flitesweep decklid "dish" is wrong: it looks like a 1957's (round piece in the center) with an additional eagle. The hubcaps are also 1957's.

The original ad in the other thread mentioned a '57 parts car being included. I assume that's where those parts came from.

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Posted 2010-10-29 10:06 AM (#247498 - in reply to #247024)
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WHERES THE BEEF!!! LOL WHERES THE BEEF!!!

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Posted 2010-10-29 11:42 AM (#247507 - in reply to #247024)
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I bought the dial years ago form a guy who was crushing a 58, unfortunately i didn’t know back then that the parking knob was a rare item, so i only have the dial. Darn!

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Posted 2010-10-29 7:13 PM (#247532 - in reply to #247024)
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Whats this worth if it were a #1-2?

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Posted 2010-10-29 11:35 PM (#247569 - in reply to #247532)
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FIN_NV - 2010-10-29 5:13 PM

Whats this worth if it were a #1-2?

If it was fully restored and had a working auto pilot system, it could be a heavy-hitter. A really nice #1 might go for $110,000? With a working original auto pilot system, maybe $135,000?

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Posted 2010-11-08 5:36 PM (#248763 - in reply to #247024)
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The auction ended at $30,300 with the reserve met.

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Posted 2010-11-08 6:49 PM (#248780 - in reply to #248763)
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Well, there you have it. All the speculation about value is mere speculation until the gavel falls. I hope this one gets a top notch restoration. It would be nice to see a fully-restored Imperial convertible with cruise control!

d500neil

Posted 2010-11-08 7:10 PM (#248787 - in reply to #247024)
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There's definitely some profit potential, in this car's restoration.

$85K 'into' it, with a net sales price of $120K++ .

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