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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | I have posted a few pictures all of our Rocky Mtn Regional conversations, so I thought I would create a dedicated thread on this car that I can go back to with some additional postings of my snail pace progress on this car.
I have been installing a new aftermarket harness (similar to Painless) but got stuck last weekend on the merging of the new harness to the old steering column wiring.
I had to go the Mopower Masters and the Richards Clan to ask for a house call to get me moving again. They said they will make some time for to get me going.
If I can get the steering wheel harness blended in then I can put the carpet in and the seats and then finish termination wires at the front and rear of the car.
Also today, I sent Gary Goers $600+ for needed weather stripping and window fuzzies and other bumpers and grommets to get me moving
Figured around 400 dollars more later for the smaller detailing stuff not needed till after I get it on the road.
I think if I delay any longer I will need to get Snow Tires!
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Location: The Mile High City | Fantastic, John! This will be a cool thread - inspirational too. |
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Location: Colorado, Pike's Peak | Good on you John, Now that I am unemployed I am trying to get the engine and tranny in my 60 Dart and get it ready to sale so I may post pictures during the Winter. August 20 was my last day of work. I was there for 13 years and did not see it coming. I am looking locally and all across the South for work. Here is a nother shot from the Coatal Cruisers
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Location: Ripon, WI | All, I got to say, is....
If you are on rough times and can do it, stick it to the banks that caused all this crap...
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Location: Parts Unknown | Or come here to sunny Afghanistan, sell some sunroofs, and go home with your own bank ! 
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Dr. D. How goes it over there? Keeping your head down I hope.... I have not heard if you have found any Foreward Look salvage yards over there or have you just been to busy to look?
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Location: Parts Unknown | Negative on the Forward Look presence here in any shape or form. Lots of trashed Toyotas, Hinos,
and TATAs though. I swear the world sends all its old trucks and buses here to die !
How it goes ? Last week we took two attacks that left 3 dead on our team before the enemy was
neutralized. The send off a few days later was hard to watch as always, as I get the stinging face and
leaking eyes seeing the coffins go up the ramp bound for home. For us, it is a matter of predictable
anguish as family is notified and the loss sinks in. I pain for those I never knew.
I also think sometimes of the foreign fighters that come from all across the islamic world to wage jihad
against what they are told is a threat to them. Reports say some 10,000+ fighters are amassed just
over the border in Pakistan and filtering in to sustain the attacks. I wonder if word ever gets back to
the families they surely have that they were wiped out with 500 of their closest jihadi friends in a turkey
shoot with Marines or other coalition forces ? As one Marine said to me one day out at X-ray, .. "these
guys come here to die for Allah. We help them meet those goals". I wonder if their mothers cry over
losing their sons, or if they are just as whacked for the jihad as their kids ?
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | A couple tactical low yield Nukes, delivered by couple well place 155mm Howitzers, lobing them across the border should take care of their staging areas and those who man them. Speeding them along to their promise land of more sand and heat.
Sorry about the loss of some of your compatriots. I salute them!
Sorry about my views entering this thread but had to say it.
Now back to my car work. Two more wires to terminate and then the fenders go on!
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Location: The Mile High City | Ok, Mr. Quinn -
I am between posts on my Dodges. How is our favorite Fury coming??? |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | I will have to look to see if I have a Fury...But my Belvedere is coming along fine! LOL Actually, I need to update this posting. I have successfully converted the front drums to disc brakes using Aspen/Volare spindles and an 67 A body dual chamber Master Cylinders, Put in upper and lower ball joints, Upper control A bushings (Thanks Tony and Gerad!) and outer tier rod ends.
Then I went to bleed the rear brakes and....nothing! Shoot! Rear Cylinders were corroded shut. Ok now do a rear brake job and new cylinders...What???? one of the axle seals is leaking...Shoot!
Now to put in new inner and outer axles seals....well as long as the axle shafts are out. might as well put a bigger ratio rear end chunk in. Rick Clapham had a 3.58 chunk he took out of another 59 Plymouth years ago. Soooooo, mop out the old gear lube with paper towels and put in new gasket and install new 8 3/4 Chunk in it. install axles, re-pack bearings of course.
Now I am installing new brake shoes (from Svigle's) and brake hardware too from Car Quest. Drums were turned at Car Quest too! Should have all together by Thursday night.
Kinda a 3 week detour on the quest to get this rag top on the road. I do have pictures and will post in a day these events! |
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Location: The Mile High City | Ooops! My motto: open mouth, insert foot!  I feel like Vice-President Biden on a three-martini lunch. |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | It's Ok I catch myself saying the same thing! Richard, Did you use the original wiring harness on your convert when you did it?
Got the rear brakes on and with the Richard's (Mopower Masters) visit on sunday I will get the OK to get the tapered fit drums back on! The Richard's are coming over to help me dis-assemble a 4 post lift I bought two months ago and get it to my garage so I can re-assemble it.
Will be nice to get the convert up in the air and have room for one more FL car in my garage! (my son wants the 69 charger back in the garage, so we will see on that one...)
Still have to post the pictures of the rear axle/brake re-do. I will see what I can do right now... |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Here are some of the pics from the disc brake conversion and the rear axle seal replacment and the switching out of the rear pumkin for a set of 3.58 gears.
Issues with the sizing of the pictures....stay tuned!
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Ok, ediitng function is not working to detail the pictues,
The first picture is of the drives side disc brake conversion using Aspen/Volare spindles. shown without rotor and caliper assembly.
2nd pic is passsener side rear axle end minus the backing plate.
3rd pic is the finished passenger side conversion.
4th pic is the finished Drivers side finished conversion
5th pic is the new A body dual chamber MC with rear manual proportiong device added in for fine tuning the front to back ratio.
6th pic is the Drivers side axle flange with out backing plate.
7th pci is the two 8 3/4 chunks, new one going in is a 3.58 to one and old one is a 2.94 to one ratio.
8th pic is the cleanout of the center banjo section with paper towels getting out 50 year axle goo!
9th pic is the passenger side axle tube with the new inner axle seal installed in the axle tube.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Never heard of a 3.58 ratio. What is it out of ? Don't plan on much freeway driving w/o
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Dr D, Hope all is well with ya in the big sandbox over there... This particular third member came out of a early 60's truck. This unit was then placed many years ago (20+) in a 59 Sport Fury that was then parted out.
My car came with a 2.93 but with a 413 RB in it, thought with the future towing of a Vintage Air Stream Trailer the 2.93 would be a little weak. The normal factory offering of an optional 3.31 or 3.73 were not readily available, so I spit the difference with a 3.58 ration. My soon purchase of some wider white tires I will be getting some taller 14' that will soften the final ratio on the road a bit more.
My old 74 Cuda had 3.55 with a 340 in it. So I know what the highway feel would be with what I had chosen. I am keeping the 2.93's just in case I want to change back. I also have a set of 3.23 gears to drop down to should I feel they (3.58) are a pain on the highway.
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Location: Parts Unknown | I've kicked this subject back and forth with friends for years. I think my ultimate build
for the DeSoto will be a 2.76 rear, with the Richmond Gears 5-speed (geared steep down
low) and set up as a 4 speed w/OD. The 383 4bbl will be worked over again with a better
cam, windage tray, and a few other details to best cover what I hope will be a stout perf-
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-12 1:28 AM
I've kicked this subject back and forth with friends for years. I think my ultimate build
for the DeSoto will be a 2.76 rear, with the Richmond Gears 5-speed (geared steep down
low ) and set up as a 4 speed w/OD. The 383 4bbl will be worked over again with a better
cam, windage tray, and a few other details to best cover what I hope will be a stout perf-
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It would make a good cruising combination what you want Brent. I could always put a gear vendor set up on the back too! But that costs 2300 bucks! |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Modern performance 5-speeds like the R-G unit were bringing $2500, last time I checked.
I will work some angles to see if friends in the biz might be able to get one cheaper. Outside
of that and discs, it will be / look very stock and utilize parts I have on hand.
If I rebuilt the T/F, what would that cost, all said and done ?
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Location: Ponder, TX | Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-13 7:05 AM
Modern performance 5-speeds like the R-G unit were bringing $2500, last time I checked.
I will work some angles to see if friends in the biz might be able to get one cheaper. Outside
of that and discs, it will be / look very stock and utilize parts I have on hand.
If I rebuilt the T/F, what would that cost, all said and done ?
FWIW, the last pushbutton aluminum TorqueFlite I had rebuilt was about $750 in the Fort Worth area. They pulled and installed the transmission, but had to wait a couple days for the kit to be shipped in.
I had several estimates that varied as much as $200, but the lowest price was from the shop with the best reputation in town. |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Chuck, My buddy who I got these from (has a 61 300G) said he liberated this out of a 59 Sport Fury HT rear end many many years ago. He had picked up the SF to part out and the former owner informed him of the origins of the center chunck came out of a Dodge Truck and was not original to the SF.
My 59 manual shows the 2.93 was standard in V8 Plymouths with an optional 3.31, 3.54 & 3.91 gears , The inline 6's had an standard 3.73 but an optional 3.91 and a 4.10 geard but was only in the 6 bangers to get the cars moving with so little torque and HP.
I will get the Casting number and some better pic's for you of the chunk and the ratio that is stamped on the pad so we can both narrow this down a bit on what vehicle and year this is out of. |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Progress has and is being made thanks to Matthew Keij's visit from the Netherlands! We have the front clip on and one side of mouldings on, but discovered that 6 years ago when I dis-assembled it, I had a lot of broken spring clips for half the needed application of one side. And 8 Rocker Moulding clips, again for one side!
Leaving for Chrysler at Carlisle with Matthew on Weds so should be able to grab the needed clips there. Pictures later today!
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Location: Colorado | Looks great John, get back to work so we can see her on the road! |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | At Carlisle today and can't wait for the gates to open up! Any Rocky Mountain FL guys need anything today? if so, email me on my Droid at: JohnQ(at)I-Pro-online.com any wishes? Please substitue the at with the circle a symbol, trying to cut down on the spam on my phone! |
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Location: The Mile High City | Wow! That is so close you can just about taste it! Looks like a winner to me! |
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Location: The Mile High City | John, in case you hadn't seen it - you may want to check out this fabulous cache of '59 Plymouth parts
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=37640&posts=1&start=1 for two sport coupes and a pile of extras, that seems like a mighty fair price too! |
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Location: The Mile High City | PS: we still need to get you a lighted hood ornament!
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Location: Colorado | This thread has been dormant for too long, need an update John with pics. |
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Location: Colorado | ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZ Need a 59 Plymouth Convert update fix please!! |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | I am due aren'I....? I have some Pic's to post for sure.
I have ordered the door panels from SMS this week. I did buy and have the vintage SMS seat material. Waiting for bolster material to come in and the seats will go in to the yet unpicked shop.
Bumpers are in being Plated and should be back in two weeks or less. So progress is being made.
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Well, I need to take some pictures that is for sure. I searched my picasa folder and I really don't have any new ones to post. so I better take some tomorrow.
Here is one of me taken a month or so ago up in the ****pit of the convert dinking on some of the dash wires. The car is elevated on my new to me, used 4 post lift. I have to store some stuff under my car when it snows so my wifes car can come in out of the weather.
But as soon as it clears then I back it out and dominate the garage once again!!
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | I will take some more tomorrow....I promise!
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Location: The Netherlands | Hey John, it's tomorrow in our time zone! Were are those pictures you promised
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Now Ron....Be reasonable.... I am not as young as you are and I need my beauty sleep... It is still early out here today and I am up and adam and moving around.
Should warm up to 45 F today and almost 50F tomorrow so I will be taking some pics and getting some work done. Just glad I am not travelling this weekend like the last two weekends!
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Morgan, I like! Never saw this beauty before. I like the gold in the anodized trim of this Sport Fury by the owner. Is the color the light blue? I was having a hard time determining what seat fabric to use on the Spring Color of Turquoise. The Blue and the Green fabric just did not go well. So I chose the white and black pattern fabric with white bolster. The door panels will be similar but will have a little Turquoise color in it to tie in with the exterior color.
Installed the re-built starter yesterday and did some small stuff on the car. Still very cold out there but today should be better. |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | I did take some pictures of what I did this weekend but am looking for the adapter to up load them from the camera. Not much was done, still routing wires to the engine and dug out my seats to take them to the local upholster guy in Wheat Ridge, F & H Upholstery. I had a couple recommendations in the last week and they both said these guys.
About $1500 to 1700 to do the seat buns,front and rear, stitch up the fabric (SMS supplied but thru a friend who changed his mind) Said they would be done in 2 to 3 weeks, which is great! Also includes covering up the rear interior panels with vinyl too!
Ordered the door panels today, quick $800 there plus shipping, need them to push it since they (SMS) won't deliver till early summer, Need to offer some extra cash to move that up a bit. Hope to have the door panels by May if possible. I do have some Chrysler Windsor panels I can use in the time being. I would need to put some color on them to make them look presentable.
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Location: The Mile High City | Our little hobby is not for the faint of wallet! Man, those Plymouth interiors in 1959 were cool! Look at those buckles and the way the vinyl and cloth work on the seats and door panels. My '58 De Soto all-vinyl interior is plain be comparison. Can't wait to see the pictures, John! |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Mike, I am putting the Sport Fury style of Interior in the car but I won't do the buckles part on the door panels or the seats. Kinda doing a "Une of None" Sport Belvedere Look though Plymouth never did. Pam liked the SF interior a lot better then the original Belvedere trim level.
My car had a lot of SF upgrades on it already from the factory and then I added some more (like variable speed wipers, Jiffy jet bag and Back up lights) Opps, and the Chrysler model only 413 RB-4bbl power plant. I am glad that the seats won't take so long so I can at least get that in the car.
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Location: Hayward, Calif | John, Looking Good !!!!! Looks like will be out there late Sept. Jerry |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Great news Jerry! I will give you a ride in the my convert! Weather should still be good! |
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Location: Colorado | Getting closer John, good stuff. |
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Location: Ny | Looking good, John! Been a while since I have checked in on the site. I made the trek up to Carlisle this past summer as well-- went on Saturday. Sorry I didn't get to say Hello! |
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