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soiouz
Posted 2010-09-07 2:51 PM (#240105)
Subject: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: Montreal, Canada		The other thread just started about that Detroit 1958 Desoto Firesweep convertible for sale and needing restoration, led me to stumble upon this other one, just posted a couple of weeks ago and on which there's wasn't a thread here already... So here goes:

http://www.jameslist.com/advert/161989/for-sale-desoto-firesweep


For Sale: 1958 DeSoto Firesweep
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350cid/285hp V8 with an automatic transmission. Exceptional frame-off restoration on a rust-free Arizona car. Very rare 1958 Desoto Firesweep convertible, only 700 produced in 1958. A total professional frame off restoration of a nice rust free Arizona car to start with. Has a stock 350 cubic inch engine with push button transmission, power steering, power brakes, power seat, wire wheels and more! Engine bay and undercarriage detailed to the max. These finned Mopar convertibles are going up in value by leaps and bounds! Coastal Custom Automotive is proud to offer this very rare collectable vehicle on consignment for a private collector. The private collector has decided to reduce his inventory of collectible autos and this is just one of the great cars to be offered. Please check our website for a complete listing!!! All cars offered by this collector are in pristine condition and are in show-museum quality. Stored in a climate controlled facility and maintained regularly. These are drivable, head turning, vehicles not just simply for show. This vehicle shown by Appointment only!!! Please call or email us today to schedule a viewing. Call us at 714-374-2283






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sidesho_bob1961
Posted 2010-09-07 3:31 PM (#240113 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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d500neil
Posted 2010-09-07 3:33 PM (#240115 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: bishop, ca		..Another Firesweep (Dodge version).

Kool!

But $80k is a tad pricey, in this market economy.

It'll probably sell at around $50K.

This ain't the 90's, any more.










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1959Dodge
Posted 2010-09-07 10:52 PM (#240206 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca		Hmmmm are code 714(guess my area code?)
by the way, I was a year off on the other convertible, I had a 57 Sweep 4 door post, and I "Morphed back to that" instead of 1958--Oh well, The rest of what I typed was pretty much "spot on".

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1959Dodge
Posted 2010-09-07 11:11 PM (#240210 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca		Since in was a local call, I called him. Real nice guy. The car is part of a collection of other Mopars, including a 1956 Dodge (D500) (I think). A Chrysler 300 G. This seller is helping the collector liquidate his collection. I invited the Seller to join our "Friendly Group" here so--------(Behaive Neil) ((LOL)).

Gary
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-09-07 11:16 PM (#240212 - in reply to #240206)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: The Mile High City		I dunno, Neil - I think the price is already reduced from the etherial hights of a few years ago. It seems that a fetching tan and brown Firesweep sold for about $135,000 just a couple of years ago. The Barrett-Jackson gavel fell on a red and white Firesweep at $170,000 in 2008. Granted those examples were restored to maximum professional standards, but this one looks very nice at least. Maybe $80,000 is not unrealistic?

Interesting to note that this one is eqipped with a power seat, but no power window lifts. I like the red and black color scheme. If they restored it in black, they must have done a decent job - as they say, black paint shows all!
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1959Dodge
Posted 2010-09-07 11:32 PM (#240216 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca		Aren't ya glad when I told you to "Shaddup & buy It" when you found yours? Where's my comission, Mike?
Gave Aivar a call to see if He knows this collector.
Hopefully the seller will posts more of the cars up on our site!

Gary
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-09-08 11:18 AM (#240275 - in reply to #240216)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: The Mile High City		 I sure am, Gary! Commission? Didn't you get that dough-nut I mailed to you? Oh, well.
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BSoto
Posted 2010-09-08 1:07 PM (#240292 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: Nawth Kerolinuh		That looks like a Greg Groom restored car that went through Barrett Jackson a few years ago. Don't know how it's been kept since then, but he knows his way around FL cars... sounds like a nice deal.

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Just checked - and it is the car - went through at $110K in 2006.

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moparsteve
Posted 2010-09-08 3:59 PM (#240303 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: RE: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$


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d500neil
Posted 2010-09-08 7:01 PM (#240375 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: bishop, ca		$80K might represent an auction value, where several bidders might become enchanted with the car's
colors, and the competitive bidding-spirit, but, an informed buyer would look beyond the colors and recognise
that this is not a Fireflite or an Adventurer, or even a Chubbie .

But, if Momma likes it, Daddy's gonna have to bid on it.




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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-09-08 10:52 PM (#240435 - in reply to #240375)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Don't forget the Firedome, Neil! Actually, if you look at the NADA value guide - the Firedome gets a major snubbing (maybe a bit worse than Neil's). It is generally valued at $500 above the Firesweep and thousands below the Fireflite - which shows that NADA knows nada about DeSotos. I even wrote to NADA, but they don't care for customer input or accuracy of prices - little details.

Among the Firesweeps we have seen recently, I really like this paint scheme. If I were in command of the restoration, I might have chosen Autumn Rust rather than the Spring Persimmon Red (?) to pick up the salmon tone of the interior. Not to say I would change it now - when it is done, it is done. I also note that most of these Firesweeps are decked out with a lot of the optional geegaws, like wire wheels, bumper guards, steering wheel clocks, highway hifi, et. al. When they restore these sweeps, they go all in! It is like Doc is advising them every step of the way!

Digital photos are tricky - that looks way to bright to be Holly Red.



Edited by Lancer Mike 2010-09-08 11:02 PM
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-09-08 11:05 PM (#240438 - in reply to #240435)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: The Mile High City		Speaking of interior, that looks a bit custom to my eye. With the white heat sealed tops, shouldn't the inserts be fabric? Doc, we need you! And the door panels look a little different. Custom or not, the interior is a total knock-out. If DeSoto didn't build it that way, they should have!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-09 2:02 AM (#240457 - in reply to #240438)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: Parts Unknown		Sorry ..... with days before I deploy, I am a bit off the radar ....

I have never seen a Sweep ragtop with cloth interior inserts. Most were sold as low-optioned cars
for the person who wanted a convertible but had no money. Comment was made above about how
these things are all getting done with all the gee-gahs, and it really is historically inaccurate. Just look
at those barn finds that occasionally show up or the postcard thread. The only ones I have ever seen
optioned up were the post-resto cars that had all the bling added.

I am never going to really groove on that Firesweep nose, but it sure would be fun to do a car like this
with no sweep and dog dishies, blackwalls, etc ! An all-white one with the zero trim level was offered for
sale at the Sacto NDC Nat'l meet in 1994. It was really cool !
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-10-06 4:04 PM (#291583 - in reply to #240457)
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Location: The Mile High City

Presto! Hyman Ltd. has it for sale at $139,900!

http://www.hymanltd.com/search/Details.asp?stockno=4532&recordCount=16#

An amusing little mistake in the vehicle description:

1958 DESOTO FIRESWEEP Car for Sale

DeSoto built only 596 Firesweep convertibles in 1959, the last year convertibles were available in DeSoto history, but it is a body style that complements the dramatic "Forward Look" design's complex grille, sweeping rear fender fins, multi-element taillights and check-mark body side moldings with contrasting color inserts. The DeSoto marque would soon be only a memory but the 1959 Firesweep convertible sent it into history with flair and style. This 1959 DeSoto Firesweep Convertible is dramatically painted black with orange body side accent that goes with its body design's bravura. The interior also is dramatic, in black, silver and coral with chrome piping under a black cloth top. Power comes from Chrysler's 361 cubic inch V-8 rated 245 horsepower with the famed TorqueFlite automatic transmission and it has chrome wire wheels, new bias ply wide whitewall tires, power front seat, power steering, power brakes, radio, clock, dual outside mirrors and dual rear antennas. It is a dashing statement of Fifties extravagance, confidence and style that has been superbly restored.

$139,500.00
Stock Number: 4532

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-10-06 4:30 PM (#291589 - in reply to #291583)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: The Mile High City		Beautiful car - and the power seat, bumper guards, and wire wheels are neat options!



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-10-06 4:35 PM (#291590 - in reply to #291589)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: The Mile High City		Although this one may have a "245 hp 361" (must be a GM engine) - I thought the only offering in the '58 Firesweep was the 295 hp 350. My Firedome has a 361.

- also, the horn ring center looks smooth whereas mine is ridged with a pattern - is that an optical illusion or was there a different center for the Firesweeps?

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soiouz
Posted 2011-10-06 4:53 PM (#291593 - in reply to #291590)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Lancer Mike - 2011-10-06 4:35 PM



- also, the horn ring center looks smooth whereas mine is ridged with a pattern - is that an optical illusion or was there a different center for the Firesweeps?


Isn't the steering wheel supposed to have textured grips also? This one looks smooth like the steering wheel from a 1959 Chrysler.
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hemidave
Posted 2011-10-06 6:19 PM (#291618 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: RE: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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The car is a beauty, and appears to be the same one that was in the recent Monterey Auction. I think it was bid up to $95K, a no sale.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-10-07 1:38 PM (#291718 - in reply to #291618)
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Location: The Mile High City		I wonder if Hyman listed it in the Monterey Auction or purchased it after the auction? It seems unusual that a dealer would want to sell a car though an auctioneer...I guess Hyman must have purchased it after.
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hemidave
Posted 2011-10-07 4:23 PM (#291739 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: RE: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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I talked with the owner a while ago, same guy that put a bunch of FWLK convs in the Monterey Auction. I think he either sold it to or had Hyman advertise it.
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d500neil
Posted 2011-10-07 5:38 PM (#291753 - in reply to #240105)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Location: bishop, ca		Somebody did a nice job aligning all of the body openings.

This car has a 130 MPH speedometer on it; typical of all 58 Sotos?

Is that a 1959 CHRY steering wheel? It's obviously been painted in the Oakland Raiders motif.

That's almost certainly the OEM non-day/nite mirror in it, as well as the manual-brake pedal.

As we've discussed elsewhere, the FireSweeps were almost always non-loaded cars, so that their pricing could be
competitive with the 'lesser' marques.

I wonder what color(s) it was, originally?






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soiouz
Posted 2011-10-07 8:36 PM (#291783 - in reply to #291753)
Subject: Re: ...and yet another 1958 Desoto convertible - California - 80k$



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Is that a 1959 CHRY steering wheel? It's obviously been painted in the Oakland Raiders motif.





Yep, I think it is.

...I said it four posts before yours.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-10-07 11:26 PM (#291813 - in reply to #291593)
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Location: Parts Unknown		Sweeps came standard with the all-black rubber steering wheel and the plain jane
horn ring and center. I have seen very few originals decked out any other way.

Remember, the whole reason they made this Dodge with a few DeSoto parts was to
offer a cheaper car on the DeSoto showroom floor. It was also standard marketing
procedure to step a buyer "up" to the next model (in this case a Firedome) if they
started loading a cheaper model up with options. This is what makes stripper fancy
models and loaded el cheapos so unusual and interesting.

Convertibles were showroom "bling", used more by dealers to draw people into the
showroom where they ended up signing off on a sedan or hardtop when practicality
hit them. And it seems the "el Cheapo" Firesweep convertible was used to good effect
by dealers as a car they did not have to shell out as much coin for to spot on their floor
to get this job done. I have seen about a dozen Sweep ragtops in unmolested condition
back when this was possible and do not recall a single one having the fancy steering
wheel or horn ring / center. When that rare convertible buyer DID walk in and take what
they had on the floor, it was this car the dealer did not load up, as it was intended more
to be sedan buyer bait than a car they wanted to get out the door as soon as possible.
Naturally, if someone came in and wanted it, they'd sell it and get another. But if it sat
there all through the model year drawing attention, that was no problem at all.

In other words, they were typically "tools" used to sell OTHER cars rather than actually
move THAT car, and as the cheapest option a dealer had to show a "DeSoto" ragtop, they
typically reflected that. It has only been since 50's ragtops have become all the rage of
the Barrett-Jackson set that suddenly they were all loaded dreamboats formerly owned
by Elvis or Marilyn Monroe. Yeah ....
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-10-07 11:55 PM (#291820 - in reply to #291813)
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Location: The Mile High City		The plain rubber wheels were not two-tone, right? The trend I have noticed today is that these '58 Firesweep convertibles are getting the high-dollar restorations and are tricked out with all the options. The auction prices for these cars are phenominal! Among the 58 products at auction, the only '58 De Soto convertible I ever see aside from these Firesweeps is the fuel injected Adventurer.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-10-08 7:44 AM (#291831 - in reply to #291820)
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Location: Parts Unknown		The rubber wheel could be painted, but was not two-toned.

When I was searching hard for these cars, I was holding out for a 58 Fireflite or Adventurer, l
ater revising my search to just a Fireflite.

In that search, I found or was directed to about a dozen Sweeps (of which I bought two), at least
that many 59's, and less than half a dozen 57's. This was 1992 and earlier when they were not
made of solid gold. I found exactly ONE 58 Fireflite in that run of about ten years and bought it
on the spot. Today, and unusually disproportionate number of Sweeps survive compared to their
big body counterparts. Not sure why.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-11-07 12:20 PM (#295293 - in reply to #291831)
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Location: The Mile High City		Hyman put it on eBay with a buy-it-now of $138,000ish...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370556779530&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123
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Desoto world
Posted 2011-11-07 8:37 PM (#295371 - in reply to #240105)
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It no-saled at the Monterey Auction and the owner brought it to Auburn. I watched it sell for around 80K on the hammer there.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-11-07 9:12 PM (#295374 - in reply to #295371)
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Location: The Mile High City		So, Hyman must have been the buyer at $80,000. It seems as though these fully-restored Firesweeps have gone for a lot more.

Holly Red / Pearl White $170,000 and it might have hit $200,000 more recently
Rose Beige / Suede Brown $154,000

Black / Autumn Rust $80,000 (?) - that seems pretty low by comparison!


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tnlowrider
Posted 2011-11-08 9:06 PM (#295472 - in reply to #240105)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-11-08 9:53 PM (#295478 - in reply to #295472)
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Location: Parts Unknown		Smoking was absurdly popular at the time. Why do you think so few original owners
could be found today or even 25 years ago ?

But a lot of the cheaper cars did not get the 2nd ashtray.

Hard to imagine the incredible inconvenience of sucking burnt toxic shxt into your body
and having to reach that extra 16" over to flick your ash.
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