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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2010-05-22 2:37 PM (#224641 - in reply to #224592)
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B/G 61 - 2010-03-22 5:52 PM

Awesome pic ! I thought that square Chrysler/Plymouth logo on the door didn't come out till the 70's ????




I may be wrong but I believe I have seen the pentastar symbol used as far back as 1964 or 1965 in advertising


I think the pentastar came out in '62 - I thought the square logo posted a few back was the 70's ad version . . . I'm told
no, but if it didn't start in the 70's, it sure lasted a long time - I remember that square deal into the 80's . . .


I was thinking that the pentastar came out right when the forward look series of cars ended,but wasnt sure about the precise date so thanks for clearing that up!
Which one is the "square" emblem? I was looking at the station wagon at the top of the post,but it has a Pentastar on it.

I never liked the Pentastar symbol,I wish they would have kept the forward look boomerangs....and the forward look style too!


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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-05-22 2:57 PM (#224644 - in reply to #224641)
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Location: Parts Unknown		This was discussed in an earlier thread. If I remember torreckly, the Pentastar was initiated in 1965. I too think it
entirely sucks, but that is only because it represents the junk that followed the Forward Look, which to this kid's eyes,
was the ultimate in magical times and memories. In context, I like the 66-69 muscle car period and the Pentastar is
entirely appropriate. However, I would be lying if I were to say I didn't wish it was perpetually 1958 and nothing had
ever changed !
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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2010-05-22 4:09 PM (#224655 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: Plymouth Spaceport		Thanks "Doc",I must have missed that thread.

I thought I was pretty close on the Pentstars date.
I too wish the Forward Look never ended...those two boomerangs darting towards the future really said it all.
I also dont like the ram logo either and I like how when the Forward Look came on the scene Dodge used a Knights Helmet and lance instead..much classier than a farm animal.
In 1957 Plymouth even put a highly stylized abstract Mayflower emblem on the front grille and then wisely in 1958 decided to remove it..just like DeSoto used a shield instead of the old Hernando DeSoto head...that would have looked very out of place on such a sleek modernistic car.

I wish there was a way to go back in time and keep it the '50's forever too.. everything was better then,the music,movies,the way people dressed,their values.sense of family.

Chrylsers "Forward Look" cars really summed up the feeling of the late '50's,back when we still had an optimistic outlook on the future and had a sense of wonder about it...little did they know what things would really be like.


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B/G 61
Posted 2010-05-22 4:51 PM (#224661 - in reply to #178862)
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I have had '63 and '64 Dodges with the pentastar on the front pass side fender -
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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2010-05-22 5:42 PM (#224671 - in reply to #224661)
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http://www.allpar.com/history/logos.html

I have had '63 and '64 Dodges with the pentastar on the front pass side fender -


Great link,looks like you are right!
As I said before I was just guessing because I hadnt seen it in ads that far back before,but it makes perfect sense considering the Boomerang logo symbolized the forward look.
Thanks,I learned something new today!
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-05-22 5:49 PM (#224675 - in reply to #178862)
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-05-22 8:00 PM (#224698 - in reply to #178862)
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Rebels-59
Posted 2010-05-23 7:09 AM (#224736 - in reply to #224698)
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For students of MoPar history (whose interests do not
terminate in 1961), this large hardcover book ("magazine")
is an essential component of any comprehensive library.

It will inform you, not only of the early Chrysler and Forwardlook-
era history, but will inform you of how and why Chrysler developed
its Pentastar Corporate advertising logo and identity, as it progressed
and evolved into the 1960's, and beyond.

This is a wonderful trove of corporate history, for any one who cares
about such things (including its racing activities).

http://cgi.ebay.com/Winter-1965-Wards-Quarterly-Chrysler-Story-Book...

Hardcover book , 10 x 13 , 144 pages , soiling , discoloration , wear , and bending at corners on covers , soiling on few pages , pencil notation on one page . "Ward's Quarterly Winter 1965 Volume One Number One : The Chrysler Story" , Powers and Company Inc , Detroit , Michigan , 1965 . Postage for this book is $6.95 for media mail in the US only . For foreign or Canada , contact us for the exact shipping charge , but please keep in mind that this book is a heavy item .
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Rebels-59
Posted 2010-05-23 7:09 AM (#224737 - in reply to #224736)
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Ray Bell
Posted 2010-05-23 7:42 AM (#224739 - in reply to #178862)
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d500neil
Posted 2010-05-24 3:03 PM (#224956 - in reply to #178862)
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Ray Bell
Posted 2010-05-24 3:46 PM (#224964 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		Neil, thanks for pointing that out. I am distressed now that you do, however...

You see, I bought the other one. At a total cost $7.95 higher!

I hope someone else here sees the value in it.
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d500neil
Posted 2010-05-24 3:49 PM (#224966 - in reply to #224964)
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Ray Bell
Posted 2010-05-24 3:56 PM (#224969 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		My dilemma is that I sent it, in order to make it a quick and easy transaction, to my son's place in Indiana...

Then I sent him a message asking him to onforward it. No reply as yet, of course. I might see it in two or three years I suppose.

I'm losing all round with this one, then. But I'm sure it will be worth it in the end.
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d500neil
Posted 2010-05-24 5:22 PM (#224978 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: bishop, ca		It will be; there is wonderful "real" (straight from the Corporate mouths) information in this book, as opposed
to the usual 3rd-hand information that we all see.

I've just bought the second issue (which deals with AMC products), so, it will be interesting to see if there are any
Corporate-corrections to the first issue's information.

What's also nice, and very unusual, is that this comprehensive presentation was made in contemporary real-time, and
with the factory's direct involvement, as opposed to its having been prepared as being an historical biography.





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Rebels-59
Posted 2010-05-24 5:47 PM (#224988 - in reply to #224978)
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Found these two pics while perusing a 1985 issue
of "Stock Car Racing" magazine, last night, in
its article about George Kent's racing career.

Anybody recognize that 4-dr sedan? That's
the only photo of it, in the article.



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Rebels-59
Posted 2010-05-26 5:25 PM (#225339 - in reply to #224988)
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Was doing some '57 research and got side-tracked
to the 56 NASCAR season, so, heres some random
shots from "40 Years of Stock Car Racing".

BTW, that IS a Fart, at the end of the Daytona-row
of Kiekaefer's cars. I don't see any race results for a
K. Fart, but Fonty Flock finished 10th in a Dodge,
while Speedy Thompson had a mechanical failure
in the other Dodge, and retired in 71st , out of 76
starters, in the other K. Dodge--which qualified in
second place(!)

According to 40 Years, K also ran two of his 55
CHRY's in the Daytona race, and they finished in
19th & 20th.

OK:... Tim Flock won the race, in a '56 K. CHRY
and Frank Mundy finished 43rd in the other K.
'56 CHRY.

Kiekaefer Marine Outboards was well represented
in this race!




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Posted 2010-05-26 5:25 PM (#225340 - in reply to #224641)
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d500neil
Posted 2010-05-26 9:20 PM (#225398 - in reply to #178862)
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Location: bishop, ca		Just had a series of conversations with Still Out There, and he believes that the farthest-away car might be
another 300 model.

He says (and I knew-) that K. had bought at least one Fart (and a Chubbie--didn't know THAT)--and that he had
bought them to compare to his own cars, and to show Chubbie & Fart that his cars were better than theirs!

I (still) have no idea what that far-away car may have been---it sure looks smaller than the Dodge, standing
next to it, and, no, K. never bought any PLY's , that I know-of.

There was a "300B" driven by Frank Mundy (300B; 43rd) and a "300" driven by Charlie Scott (C300; 19th)
and a "300A" driven by Tim Flock (300B; winner) and, a "301" driven by Buck Baker (C300; 20th) in the race,
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-05-31 12:27 PM (#225905 - in reply to #178862)
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-05-31 5:10 PM (#225946 - in reply to #178862)
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'57 Gasser with a wild intake and a Chrysler with an even wilder intake . . .



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-05-31 5:40 PM (#225952 - in reply to #225946)
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d500neil
Posted 2010-05-31 5:44 PM (#225953 - in reply to #178862)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-05-31 5:48 PM (#225955 - in reply to #225953)
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It sure LOOKS good !
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Handygun
Posted 2010-06-01 12:38 AM (#226006 - in reply to #178862)
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-06-01 9:04 AM (#226017 - in reply to #226006)
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Handygun - 2010-06-01 12:38 AM

Those cars were owned by Ramcharger members.


YES !!! If ANYONE is even a SLIGHT fan of Ma MoPar, I will say you NEED the
"We Were The Ramchargers" book . . . AWESOME










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B/G 61
Posted 2010-06-02 7:20 PM (#226229 - in reply to #178862)
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Here is some proof . . .



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d500neil
Posted 2010-06-02 7:29 PM (#226230 - in reply to #226229)
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-06-18 5:39 PM (#228461 - in reply to #226230)
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race fans may enjoy this - Gerad Richard's '58 Dodge burning down the track.  You may notice at the end he clocked 16.00 and ran 16.00

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=31245&posts=2&start=1

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B/G 61
Posted 2010-06-18 9:50 PM (#228500 - in reply to #228461)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-06-18 5:39 PM

race fans may enjoy this - Gerad Richard's '58 Dodge burning down the track.  You may notice at the end he clocked 16.00 and ran 16.00

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=31245&posts=2&start=1



Yea, SUPER COOL ! A fella ain't gonna lose too many times runnin dead on the dial-in !!!!

There are some other cool vids related to that one too ! Thanks for postin !!!







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Posted 2010-06-25 10:30 AM (#229585 - in reply to #186490)
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B/G 61 - 2009-08-27 5:52 PM

No, but when you have to have a second job to cover you mag subs each month you get the issues before they hit the news-stands . . . How funny will it be in a few years when people LAUGH at the idea of magazines being printed instead of just gettin them "on-line" !?!? How funny will it be tryin to explain to people about "news-stands" !?!?!? My brother-in-law just told me yesterday he was driving his daughter and her friend home in his beater Honda and the kids were complaining of the heat - he told his daughters girl friend to roll down the window . . . She didn't do anything because she couldn't find the "button" . . . He actually had to show her how to "roll" down the window using a crank ! ! ! ! ! !


i will cry the day they stop printing magazines and books

thanks for posting the pics of the 43 '61 coupe... ive been trying to find more pics of the petty 61 for ages... first time ive looked at this thread... will have to get some magazines out and scan...

this ones here in Adelaide... havent seen it out for many years... funny thing, i found my old photo albums from years ago when i still had a film camera the other day, and what was funny was 80% of the cars id taken pics of back then were Forwardlooks... i didnt even know what a forwardlook was back in 2001- 2003... cheers adriana



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Posted 2010-08-17 10:06 PM (#237272 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-08-21 8:00 PM (#237786 - in reply to #237272)
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Found this shot of a '55 Dodge 'vert running F/Gas at Niagara Dragstrip in the early '60s





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Posted 2010-09-19 11:49 AM (#241935 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-09-20 9:01 AM (#242039 - in reply to #178862)
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B/G 61
Posted 2010-09-21 6:02 PM (#242203 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-09-23 9:24 AM (#242449 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-09-23 9:32 AM (#242452 - in reply to #242449)
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Posted 2010-09-23 11:22 AM (#242460 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-09-23 1:25 PM (#242482 - in reply to #178862)
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d500neil
Posted 2010-09-23 2:33 PM (#242489 - in reply to #178862)
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That car was driven across country from L.A. to Daytona, just in time for the Speedweeks trials (IIRC iii).





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Posted 2010-09-23 3:16 PM (#242493 - in reply to #242489)
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d500neil - 2010-09-23 2:33 PM

The Hot Rod Spl. (or, at least a CLONE of it...forget which, right now) DID survive, and is in the Petersen Museum
(again, IIRC) in L.A. .

That car was driven across country from L.A. to Daytona, just in time for the Speedweeks trials (IIRC iii).



I believe that Hot Rod Magazine re-created the car decades later, but using a sedan body instead of a hardtop.
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Rebels-59
Posted 2010-09-23 5:14 PM (#242526 - in reply to #242489)
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A snapshot enlargement of mine.



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Posted 2010-09-23 9:19 PM (#242566 - in reply to #242526)
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Posted 2010-09-24 2:33 PM (#242685 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2010-09-24 9:48 PM (#242847 - in reply to #242452)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-09-23 9:32 AM

Am I seeing RUST on the corners of that front valance ???? !!!!!!!


The car was run at the salt flats.
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Posted 2010-09-24 10:49 PM (#242853 - in reply to #242847)
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Posted 2010-09-26 3:07 PM (#243040 - in reply to #242853)
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8 x 10 press photo of the vehicle involved in a tragic accident that killed 7 people in Saginaw, Michigan. This photo is in good condition with any imperfections due to age and/or editing by the original handler.





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Posted 2010-09-26 3:09 PM (#243041 - in reply to #243040)
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Old automobile photo man in car wreck accident



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Posted 2010-09-26 3:22 PM (#243042 - in reply to #243041)
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Are these racing wrecks or road crashes?
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