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| dukeboy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5139 Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | dukeboy - 2009-06-20 1:16 AM I used to think that, but I have reason to question it. I like my wierd theory better-- I am bored, just trying to start an argument Now you got it MO............ It's either that or you break s**t....  ..........................MO | ||
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| B/G 61 |
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | Getting all this new-found horse-power to the ground was a problem due to the limitations of tires in the late fifties. Troy Simonsen joined Chrysler in 1958 and the Ramchargers shortly there-after. He relates how they solved the problem of traction. "With the High and Mighty, we sat down and thought about the vehicle dynamics of drag racing. The problem was getting all the traction you can. We wanted the car high, to get weight shift. We had a unique suspension that was intended to transfer the weight equally to both the rear wheels so that the torque of the driveshaft and the tendency to lift the right wheel was offset.That car," Simonsen remembers, "was tall enough that you could crawl under it on your hands and knees, almost." (hnm.jpg) (hnm1.jpg) Attachments ----------------  hnm.jpg (53KB - 225 downloads) hnm1.jpg (51KB - 227 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | Well, looks like the due date has been moved back yet again - I really wanted to take this to the Mopar Nats this year, but it's just not lookin like it will happen now  - I should be done with the front end and the frame stuff by then, but gettin my motor and trans/rear end in and RIGHT just aint in the cards I don't think . . .(LATE.jpg) (LATE-1.jpg) (LATE-2.jpg) (LATE-3.jpg) (LATE-4.jpg) (LATE-5.jpg) (LATE-6.jpg) Attachments ---------------- LATE.jpg (107KB - 212 downloads) LATE-1.jpg (91KB - 216 downloads) LATE-2.jpg (109KB - 224 downloads) LATE-3.jpg (107KB - 218 downloads) LATE-4.jpg (126KB - 205 downloads) LATE-5.jpg (105KB - 200 downloads) LATE-6.jpg (86KB - 202 downloads) | ||
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| d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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| B/G 61 |
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| 57burb |
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Expert Posts: 3967 Location: DFW, TX | Holy crap... straight axle '61 Dodge!  I'm late to the discussion I guess, but wheelies are an effective yet inefficient way to increase traction. In a perfect scenario, 100% of the vehicle weight would be distributed to the drive wheels at the rear to maximize traction, 0% of the weight would be on the fronts. This is exactly what happens in a wheelie, so that is good. The downside is that the energy used to lift the front wheels UP is energy you aren't using to go forward down the track! For a perfect example of 100/0 weight distribution and little or no wheelstand, look at modern Pro Stock cars. Pinion angle (the angle of the rear axle's pinion gear with level ground) is important too. You can use a severe angle to give a downward thrust to the engine's torque, which plants the tires more firmly than just the weight of the vehicle. However, too severe an angle delivers power inefficiently after the vehicle is in motion and wheelspin is no longer a concern. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5139 Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | |||
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| dukeboy |
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| B/G 61 |
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | I want to have the collectors "dump" behind the front wheel - hopefully I can get them to that point . . . I'm going for this "look" to get the headers under the rams . . . sorry for the blurry pic, it's all I got . . . This is supposed to be the Ramchargers '61 motor . . . Looks like a '62 and later B-body firewall to me ??? (headers-.jpg) Attachments ---------------- headers-.jpg (75KB - 203 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | Well, gettin ready for the Nats this weekend - goin without the car still not done (or close) - I think I have the steering figured out . . . ? Gonna fab those do-hickey thingy's on the top of the drums to accept the ORIGINAL steering components . . . Wish me luck . . . (same.jpg) (same1.jpg) (same2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- same.jpg (65KB - 212 downloads) same1.jpg (75KB - 221 downloads) same2.jpg (83KB - 224 downloads) | ||
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| d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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| d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | Well, the front end is FINALLY finished . . . I put about 60 miles on it today with no issues . . . NOW the motor and trans gotta go in - sounds simple enough . . .  . . . The stock steering components worked well with the "home-made" bars off of the drums . . .(gh1.jpg) (gh2.jpg) (gh3.jpg) (gh4.jpg) (gh5.jpg) (gh6.jpg) Attachments ---------------- gh1.jpg (108KB - 220 downloads) gh2.jpg (79KB - 207 downloads) gh3.jpg (88KB - 213 downloads) gh4.jpg (88KB - 221 downloads) gh5.jpg (99KB - 229 downloads) gh6.jpg (74KB - 215 downloads) | ||
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| d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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| dukeboy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6203 Location: Big pimpin' | |||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | d500neil - 2009-08-20 5:39 PM When you're done, it would be neat to get your car together with that black 61 PLY rammie which one of our members created a couple years ago. [insert Thread Reference here]. Yea, that 61 Plymouth is NICE ! I don't have any of that high dollar, high tech stuff though - just made it like I woulda in '61 (prob '62-'64 when I could have got one and built it for WAY CHEAP !!!!! I really like the effort that went into that Plymouth - naturally I would crank the bars up on the front, but that sure is one nice '61 Savoy . . . (Small_Savoy_325.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Small_Savoy_325.jpg (201KB - 215 downloads) | ||
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| B/G 61 |
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | dukeboy - 2009-08-20 10:23 PM NO MORE Torsion bars...Headers should be a BREEZE! That thing is lookin' SWEET!!! I LOVE IT! Thanks - Still feels like it has a LONG way to go . . . It was supposed to be done in June - I actually have been "building" this car since I was just a little Muchacho . . . DON'T LAUGH (remember I was just a kid when I made this pic) here is the start of it all . . .(Gasser Madness.bmp) Attachments ---------------- Gasser Madness.bmp (225KB - 222 downloads) | ||
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| d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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| B/G 61 |
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | I have to get the motor (gettin pulled now - not by me) and trans situation worked out In the meantime, I'm gettin all the "extra" stuff ready to go. Here's the roll bar that's goin in - (rollbar .jpg) (rollbar 1.jpg) (rollbar 2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- rollbar .jpg (83KB - 218 downloads) rollbar 1.jpg (84KB - 202 downloads) rollbar 2.jpg (81KB - 211 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | O.K. - coming soon as in we're lookin at next year for the finished project I hate how life gets in the way of living  ANYWAY, the project continues in my mind - Do I mount the tank on a bracket off of the bumper or do I hack up the grill and set it inside (well, half in and half out) I was 99% sure I was gonna hack up the grill, but I put the tank up to the grill and I might have to notch the bumper to get it like it was in my mind . . .(moon 2.jpg) (moon 1.jpg) (gas 0.jpg) Attachments ---------------- moon 2.jpg (94KB - 213 downloads) moon 1.jpg (71KB - 224 downloads) gas 0.jpg (162KB - 229 downloads) | ||
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| d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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| B/G 61 |
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | Not a full blown race car, but not a poser either - IT WILL SEE SOME 1320 ft ACTION - as far as "fast" I dunno - we shall see - If I thought it was gonna be real fast, I would not use a bolt in roll bar for sure - I do like the "look" (poser I guess  ) of the Moon tank - gots me a Stewart-Warner tach too - It's actually "dated" from '61 !!!! | ||
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| d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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| 57burb |
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Expert Posts: 3967 Location: DFW, TX | d500neil - 2009-09-30 6:19 PM I mean: this car IS a POSER, right? And, too slow, for a roll bar (altho, it just might NEED one, anyway)---OOPS; there it is, I see it, there, ready-to-install! Safety FIRST! LOL Neil. I don't think any self-respecting B/RB-engined car could be called slow. Car is making good progress. I gotta say it may be a little too high up front, Gas-class rules stated the centerline of the crankshaft should be no more than 24" off the ground. Cool looking car! Keep up the work- | ||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | 57burb - 2009-09-30 10:10 PM Car is making good progress. I gotta say it may be a little too high up front, Gas-class rules stated the centerline of the crankshaft should be no more than 24" off the ground. Cool looking car! Keep up the work-Yea, it's gonna be close. I think the front will drop some once the B/block goes in. (still has the 6 in the pic) The front tires are 27.5" in diameter for a visual ref. Actually the "gasser classes" changed so much from the beginning, I will be "misrepresenting" with the B/gas thing unless we all jump in a time travel machine back to 1961 . . . The classes were as follows for '61 - A/G - 0 to 8.99 pounds per cubic inch B/G - 9.00 to 10.99 pounds per cubic inch C/G - 11.00 to 12.99 pounds per cubic inch D/G - 13.00 to 13.99 pounds per cubic inch E/G - 14.00 or more pounds per cubic inch For that matter, depending on the ACTUAL weight of the car, I may STILL be "misrepresenting" . . .  | ||
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| d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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Expert Posts: 3967 Location: DFW, TX | B/G 61 - 2009-10-01 5:26 PM Yea, it's gonna be close. I think the front will drop some once the B/block goes in. (still has the 6 in the pic) The front tires are 27.5" in diameter for a visual ref. Actually the "gasser classes" changed so much from the beginning, I will be "misrepresenting" with the B/gas thing unless we all jump in a time travel machine back to 1961 . . . The classes were as follows for '61 - A/G - 0 to 8.99 pounds per cubic inch B/G - 9.00 to 10.99 pounds per cubic inch C/G - 11.00 to 12.99 pounds per cubic inch D/G - 13.00 to 13.99 pounds per cubic inch E/G - 14.00 or more pounds per cubic inch For that matter, depending on the ACTUAL weight of the car, I may STILL be "misrepresenting" . . . :stressed: I figured with a username like "B/G 61" that you would be on top of the game!  Now you just need some "330 HP" painted on the fenders, lololol. | ||
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 Expert Posts: 3951 Location: Bama | Wow that Dodge looks tough!! I'll bet you get some of this..."Is that an Impala"  | ||
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| dukeboy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6203 Location: Big pimpin' | |||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | lawrence - 2009-10-01 9:21 PM Wow that Dodge looks tough!! I'll bet you get some of this..."Is that an Impala" :laugh:People don't have a clue what this car is or where it came from (most) | ||
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| MOPAR-TO-YA |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5139 Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | B/G 61 - 2009-10-02 4:46 PM Take all your name-plates off and have fun challenging people to tell you what kind of american car it is and what year. My Chrysler has only one small name over by the right side of the dash..........................MOlawrence - 2009-10-01 9:21 PM Wow that Dodge looks tough!! I'll bet you get some of this..."Is that an Impala" :laugh:People don't have a clue what this car is or where it came from (most) :laugh: | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 320 Location: lakeview, ny 14085 | |||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | dukjupiter - 2009-10-04 9:20 PM holy cow batman check 61 dodge seneca in members rides, we got the same car..!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate to admit it , although we have the same make and model, your car is nicer !!!! I keep asking you to post some pics of that BEAUTIFUL interior so, now I'm TELLING you - POST SOME PIC'S ! ! ! ! "We" have to show these guys and gals that these '61 Dodges are "good-lookin" cars ALL the '61 Dodge owners agree with that, right people ??? | ||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | HELP ! ! ! The motor and trans are out of my Seneca and the Long Ram is out of the Pioneer . . . What I need now is the engine frame mounts (SMITTY can/will get me some motor mounts once I send him my old ones) but the welded in brackets that they bolt to is what I need to find now. Anybody have a cross member thingy that I can buy ???? Or does anyone have one they want to hack the brackets off of ??? ALSO, I need a bell housing that will bolt up to a 383 low deck motor and a Borg-Warner T85 3 speed trans . . . That's pretty much it . . . FOR NOW Here are some bad cell phone pics I took today . . . (cominslow.jpg) (cominslow2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- cominslow.jpg (13KB - 212 downloads) cominslow2.jpg (12KB - 213 downloads) | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 320 Location: lakeview, ny 14085 | don't know if you can see this, came with my 61 seneca. (sen6.jpg) Attachments ---------------- sen6.jpg (2KB - 225 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | WHOO ! ! ! PLEASE tell me you can make that pic BIGGER !!!??? What is the story on that pic ??? also, what other treasures came with that AWESOME '61 ???? | ||
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| w.weiland |
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| d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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