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imopar380
Posted 2015-04-07 11:14 PM (#474702 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		Tonight I installed an NOS upper driver's door molding on the Saraoga. First, off with the armrest, window switch, door panel, vapor barrier etc., took off the molding clip retaining nuts and removed the old molding, which was slightly wavy. Installed the new piece. Put the door panel, armrest, power window switch back on etc. Looked good. Then looked on the floor in front of the back seat and there was the plastic vapor barrier sitting there. SO off with the armrest, door panel etc. Re-installed the vapor barrier, panel back on, then the armrest, but one of the armrest screw retainer clips had fallen out of place on the door, under the panel of course. SO off with the panel, vapor barrier, located the clip sitting inside the door bottom. Installed the clip. Put the vapor barrier, panel, armrest and master window switch back on. SIGH.......

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savoy_man
Posted 2015-04-13 12:18 PM (#475319 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Nebraska		I spent the weekend buffing out my new paint and started to put the chrome back on. I can't wait to get my elbows from John to see the complete side trim.





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Posted 2015-04-13 12:21 PM (#475320 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Nebraska		Speaking of side trim. I was trying to find a thread that I have seen on here before about the roof trim clips. I know someone made some from a non original clip but I can't find that thread now. Does anyone know what I can use as clips for that ribbed trim piece?
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wizard
Posted 2015-04-13 1:43 PM (#475331 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-04-13 2:35 PM (#475334 - in reply to #165059)
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Wow it looks wonderful! Happy ride with your beautiful car.

 

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Posted 2015-04-13 2:48 PM (#475336 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-04-13 4:46 PM (#475351 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-04-13 8:25 PM (#475378 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Layton, Utah		I got the engine block and pistons back from the machine shop on Friday for the 61 wagon, so Saturday I prepped the block for assembly. Buffed all surfaces, chased the head thread bolt holes with a tap, cleaned all oil passages, majorly scrubbed and cleaned multiple times, New brass freeze plugs, installed the cam bearings. Now I'm still waiting for the crank and heads to be completed. Also still waiting for the crane magnum cam and lifters. Yea. Mopar or no car !!!



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Posted 2015-04-26 10:18 PM (#476736 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: little rock, AR		I vinegar dipped my '61 bumper grill guard. The inside was heavy in rust. I dipped it for a week and steel wooled it when I removed it to get the remaining rust off of the inside. I then washed it in hot soapy water to neutralize the vinegar and then painted with rustoleum.

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soiouz
Posted 2015-05-03 9:28 PM (#477278 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Montreal, Canada		Restored, repaired, repainted and installed an original headliner in my car this weekend. It's not perfect, as the panels I found were not perfect to start with, but it is way, way better than the glossy white roughly cut plastic panels that were in the car when I got it.

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60crossram
Posted 2015-05-04 12:47 AM (#477292 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Layton, Utah		Great job. I think it looks awesome now. Major upgrade ! I hope you threw away those glossy ones. DeSoto lives !!!
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wizard
Posted 2015-05-04 1:32 AM (#477293 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-04 9:55 AM (#477314 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: NY & VT		Sold mine to Sweden... the ship left port today :-(
At least I know she will be in good hands, the new owner ordered new seat fabric from SMS, and new mechanical parts, which I stowed in the car for shipment.
He has owned a very nice '58 NYer before. He will be the steward of this Windsor, for now.
My health no longer permitted me to work on restoring this wonderful car. The new owner appreciated it enough to pay at least several thuosand $ more than a US buyer would have, by the time it gets to Sweden.
Pic next frame:

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Posted 2015-05-04 9:56 AM (#477316 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: NY & VT		Going to Sweden, as no domestic buyers stepped up to the plate... lots of hot air, no action.
Now it will have a great new home where it will be appreciated and properly restored.

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soiouz
Posted 2015-05-04 11:14 AM (#477320 - in reply to #477292)
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60crossram - 2015-05-04 12:47 AM

Great job. I think it looks awesome now. Major upgrade ! I hope you threw away those glossy ones. DeSoto lives !!!



Thanks a lot for the good words!


Actually, I didn't throw them away, as they could always serve as a template to reproduce the headliner panels... I have another car to restore that will need them in a couple of years!
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Posted 2015-05-04 6:38 PM (#477344 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Netherlands		Today I made a 5 hour roundtrip from my garage near Rotterdam to a small town just across the border in Belgium and back again in my '57 Chrysler.
Purpose of the trip was to pick up a rear fender panelskin for my '73 Dart.
Always fun to go parts-hauling for a 42 year old car in a 58 year old car with Rockabilly and Blues tunes blasting out the mp3 radio.








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imopar380
Posted 2015-05-09 10:17 PM (#477859 - in reply to #474688)
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		I cleaned, primed and repainted the license plate box. It had only been done in base coat without the clear,
consequently it was badly stained with gas and dirt. Also stripped and re-painted the license plate mount, black
as original. It had been repainted body color. Then installed my new reproduction heel pad. I set it in place,
then masked around the edges with masking tape. Applied a liberal amount of contact cement on the carpet inside
the taped off area, and onto the back of the heel pad. Then set it in place and pressed hard!!
It set up rather well, all tight round the edges.




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Posted 2015-05-10 3:18 AM (#477866 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-13 5:43 PM (#478181 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Layton, Utah		Finally got everything needed to finish assembling the engine for the 61 Newport Wagon. I'd like to get it and the trans out back in soon. There are a couple major shows coming up soon. I can't wait to see how she feels. Chrysler lives !!!



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Posted 2015-05-14 3:14 AM (#478223 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-15 9:05 AM (#478342 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-15 11:20 AM (#478348 - in reply to #165059)
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imopar380
Posted 2015-05-16 12:13 AM (#478426 - in reply to #478348)
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		I finally finished restoring my core support air-dam & installed it tonight, ( after being off for 3 years since the engine compt. was restored)
with a new rubber flange from Gary Goers, and correct new mounting clips from an Ebay seller.
If you're wondering about the odd placement of the staples, well, it's factory placement.
I made the new staples from .045 stainless steel wire and threaded them through the rubber and then into the holes in the steel mounting strip.
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60crossram
Posted 2015-05-16 12:30 AM (#478428 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Layton, Utah		The air dam looks nice. I'm just curious is it stock ? I've never seen it before. My 60 DeSotos or my 61 Chrysler doesn't have it. By the way, I love your 60 Chrysler and especially the color. DeSoto lives !!!
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imopar380
Posted 2015-05-16 12:42 AM (#478433 - in reply to #165059)
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60crossram - 2015-05-15 9:30 PM

The air dam looks nice. I'm just curious is it stock ? I've never seen it before. My 60 DeSotos or my 61 Chrysler doesn't have it. By the way, I love your 60 Chrysler and especially the color. DeSoto lives !!!


The air dam is stock on the long wheel base 1960 Chrysler, but was not on the Windsor or the DeSoto although I'm told they may have had it attached to the underside of the hood on those models. The one on my car had no rubber strip on it when I bought the car. Here's one on a 300-F. Personally I think the whole thing looks a little out of place but..... it's stock!


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Posted 2015-05-16 8:46 PM (#478511 - in reply to #478433)
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		A note regarding these air dams - they were installed pointing both ways on 1960 Chryslers. I suspect that the very early production units were installed with the rubber facing backwards over the radiator, and later they were changed to face forwards, which makes more sense. If you try and reverse them the holes don't line up on one end, either. However, my car IS early production, October 1959, and the unit was originally installed facing backwards. Since I wanted it facing forwards, I had to modify it slightly by drilling another hole in the core support to mount it the other way. SO what may be correct for one is not for another identical model. Here's a couple more photos showing them installed facing the rear.

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Posted 2015-05-17 12:27 AM (#478537 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Layton, Utah		Detailed the engine compartment today. Cleaned and painted the sub frame semi gloss. Replaced the upper control arm bushings and ball joints. Pulled off the steel brake lines and detailed. Pulled out the battery tray and vacuum can. It was unpainted under the battery tray, so they obviously just painted it black after it was covered in body color. Now tomorrow I think I'll drop in the engine and trans and start to slowly assemble it. I can't wait ! It's been quite a while since I've driven her. Chrysler lives !!!



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Posted 2015-05-17 3:40 PM (#478584 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-17 3:40 PM (#478585 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-17 11:10 PM (#478618 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Layton, Utah		Today I got the mounts and heat shield cleaned/painted and installed. Bead basted the battery tray and vacuum canister, painted and installed them. I primed the engine before dropping it in the car. Couple more weeks and vroom vroom (if I did everything correct). Old saying that keeps me going, "If you don't do it It don't get done".



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Posted 2015-05-18 11:51 PM (#478751 - in reply to #478618)
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Posted 2015-05-19 8:05 PM (#478851 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-20 7:46 PM (#478966 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-20 7:49 PM (#478967 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-21 3:21 AM (#479000 - in reply to #478511)
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imopar380 - 2015-05-16 2:46 PM

A note regarding these air dams - they were installed pointing both ways on 1960 Chryslers. I suspect that the very early production units were installed with the rubber facing backwards over the radiator, and later they were changed to face forwards, which makes more sense. ...


Well to be honest, I tend to think differently.
The high(er) pressure area is the enginebay. Also the engine fan is sucking air through the radiator into the engine bay.
It's my believe the airdam prevents hot air enginebay air to recirculate over the radiator to the cold side of the radiator again, making it less efficient. Specially at higher car speeds.
So I personally think the airdam flap facing the engine is the correct way to install it.

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Posted 2015-05-21 11:36 AM (#479017 - in reply to #478967)
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jimntempe - 2015-05-20 7:49 PM

Will the rest of the car be painted red to match the scoop?


nope, not all of it, just the hood and fender skirts
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Posted 2015-05-21 12:10 PM (#479019 - in reply to #479000)
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imopar380 - 2015-05-16 2:46 PM

A note regarding these air dams - they were installed pointing both ways on 1960 Chryslers. I suspect that the very early production units were installed with the rubber facing backwards over the radiator, and later they were changed to face forwards, which makes more sense. ...


Well to be honest, I tend to think differently.
The high(er) pressure area is the enginebay. Also the engine fan is sucking air through the radiator into the engine bay.
It's my believe the airdam prevents hot air enginebay air to recirculate over the radiator to the cold side of the radiator again, making it less efficient. Specially at higher car speeds.
So I personally think the airdam flap facing the engine is the correct way to install it.



Well, I would completely disagree. :-) I have seen them and have photos of them facing both ways with original mountings. They are not specifically reversible because the holes do not line up if you turn one around, and that goes for both. If you turn a rear facing one around, it only 5 of the 6 holes line up. If you turn a front facing one around, only 5 of the 6 holes line up. On my car, which was built in Oct 1959, it was originally installed facing the rear. I restored it and mounted it facing forward, but had to drill another hole on the RF side of the core support in order to mount it.

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Posted 2015-05-21 1:08 PM (#479022 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Arizona		Since these were apparently mounted both ways it's possible that the early production was discovered to not be working as intended so the turned them around and found they worked better. Or maybe the line workers just didn't know which way was correct and did it whatever way they felt like. For most cars the critical overheating situation is when stopped in traffic. For those times the only air pressure is whatever is created by the fan. So under those conditions you'd want the dam to prevent air from exiting over the top of the core support and getting sucked back onto the radiator and recirculating. For high speed I don't think there would even be much purpose to having an outward facing air dam, the radiator would be getting as much air rammed thru it as it could handle and blocking off flow over the top would just prevent that additional air from also getting into the engine compartment and doing additional cooling. I tend to think the 300-F picture is the most correct.
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Posted 2015-05-21 3:11 PM (#479025 - in reply to #479022)
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Location: DFW, TX		Modern cars "scoop" air at ground level and divert it upwards into the path of the radiator. The upper seal between the core support and hood is "forward" and acts as a dam to keep the cool air in front of the radiator so that it passes through it, instead of around it.

I'm not sure how the engineers of the 1950s intended to manage airflow through the radiator and underhood area. The air dynamics are quite different for a blunt-entry through the grille as opposed to an air dam below the grille.

There should be a corresponding flat area on the bottom of the hood that the rubber should seal to. Does the sealing surface sit just ahead of, or just behind, the core support?
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Posted 2015-05-21 3:46 PM (#479026 - in reply to #479022)
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jimntempe - 2015-05-21 10:08 AM

Since these were apparently mounted both ways it's possible that the early production was discovered to not be working as intended so the turned them around and found they worked better. Or maybe the line workers just didn't know which way was correct and did it whatever way they felt like. For most cars the critical overheating situation is when stopped in traffic. For those times the only air pressure is whatever is created by the fan. So under those conditions you'd want the dam to prevent air from exiting over the top of the core support and getting sucked back onto the radiator and recirculating. For high speed I don't think there would even be much purpose to having an outward facing air dam, the radiator would be getting as much air rammed thru it as it could handle and blocking off flow over the top would just prevent that additional air from also getting into the engine compartment and doing additional cooling. I tend to think the 300-F picture is the most correct.


Interesting theory for the rear facing one, but if early production was the issue, (my car built Oct 1959) then that theory doesn't make sense as mine was originally a rear facing unit.

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Posted 2015-05-21 4:23 PM (#479032 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island		The air dam is (and should) be facing foward - this way it prevents that water is forced up and over the distrbutor. The water that enters through the radiator will be beaten into a mist by the radiator and the fan, hence less risk for to short out the ignition. Any which way, the air dam is only needed in extreme conditions. As we all know, Ian has been doing some serious driving with his car without the air dam and as far as I can understand without problems.
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Posted 2015-05-21 4:44 PM (#479034 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-21 4:55 PM (#479036 - in reply to #479032)
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wizard - 2015-05-21 1:23 PM

The air dam is (and should) be facing foward - this way it prevents that water is forced up and over the distrbutor. The water that enters through the radiator will be beaten into a mist by the radiator and the fan, hence less risk for to short out the ignition. Any which way, the air dam is only needed in extreme conditions. As we all know, Ian has been doing some serious driving with his car without the air dam and as far as I can understand without problems.


Absolutely, I've put over 22,000 miles on the car since June 2008, some of the driving was in temperatures of over 100 deg. F. with the A/C on. At slow speeds the air dam is completely ineffective at this temp!
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Posted 2015-05-21 5:28 PM (#479039 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-21 5:30 PM (#479040 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: bishop, ca		Strange...in 35 years of ownership, I've never before (had to-) consider the
existence of the 'air dam' spoiler that is installed on the 57 Dodges (and, probably,
as installed on a lot of other such models.






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Posted 2015-05-22 5:33 AM (#479069 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Netherlands		Modern cars have much better thought-through (underbody) aerodynamics than older cars. That's why you'll see the front of a speeding older car usually rise because of the underhood air pressure being somewhat trapped there.
I don't think 'water management' was of any concern when the flap was designed.
While a front or back facing flap can both have their merits imo, I think only a (simple) windtunnel test could tell what net effect or difference it would have in certain situations.

My '60 NY is lacking any flaps that I can recall btw. Will check my other heaps if they still have any trace of flaps.
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Posted 2015-05-22 7:20 AM (#479071 - in reply to #165059)
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Posted 2015-05-24 11:46 AM (#479251 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Layton, Utah		Had the radiator cleaned and checked at a local reputable radiator shop, but the obviously didn't detail it so I spent easily 4-5 hours carefully straightening the fins. It turned out awesome. Also detailed all the front brake lines and bought a kit to go through the master cylinder. It's funny how when you think your going to fix one thing and it always ends up redoing everything in that area plus other areas. I'm here working on the car now and hoping to get a full 3 days of work on this car on this 3 day weekend. It's either this or listen to the wife bitch and moan and place orders at home, hmm, easy choice if you ask me. Chrysler lives !!!



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Posted 2015-05-24 8:30 PM (#479285 - in reply to #165059)
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and all the other little chores the lovely wife can dream up on the spur of the moment, but (according to her) she has been asking you to do for months

I shall think of you next w/e as I to, do my much overdue house chores

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Posted 2015-05-24 10:24 PM (#479295 - in reply to #165059)
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Location: Layton, Utah		It's been nice today, I have not had one call or one text, so I have gotten a ton done on the car. The front of the engine is cleaned, painted, detailed and together. Rebuilt the distributor, ps pump, alternator, hoses, clips, clamps etc.. Sure a relaxing hobby. Plus what's cool about our hobby is you can drive them and show them. Most hobbies you can't do that. Mopar or no car !!!



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