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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-08-23 2:02 AM (#237985 - in reply to #237983)
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Got quite a bit done today. This high scaffold and ladder work is painstaking and slow. First two shots show
the south gable coming together. I worked well after dark (getting dark earlier every night) and got the east
half of the north wall studded in.



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56royaldodge
Posted 2010-08-23 12:48 PM (#238028 - in reply to #149629)
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I think the local lumber company owes you lunch.
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DeSotohead
Posted 2010-08-23 2:11 PM (#238040 - in reply to #238028)
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Or at least a Christmas card.......
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carjock
Posted 2010-08-24 4:52 PM (#238209 - in reply to #149629)
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I still think you are building an ark?
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-08-24 9:40 PM (#238266 - in reply to #238209)
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I guess I need to start gathering things in pairs ...
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-08-27 12:15 AM (#238556 - in reply to #238266)
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Again with the 8,000 distractions ! Finally got the north gable wall studded in. Thought I'd whip out cutting
the rafter tails, but we got a 40 mph windstorm going and twice had my big ladders crashed to the ground, so
things went much slower, as I could not leave them up without me being on them .... so every time I got down,
I had to take the ladder down too, Every time I needed up, get the $#@! ladder back up !

I asked the DLI to get a shot of me cutting the tails. She is showing off her photography skills by leaving the lense
partially closed in one shot, and then getting one of my posterior - as if anyone needs to see THAT !



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56royaldodge
Posted 2010-08-27 12:17 PM (#238595 - in reply to #238556)
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Looks like someone put a rock through the window
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-08-27 8:09 PM (#238655 - in reply to #238595)
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That's how the glass was when I pulled the windows from the old building. I keep sheets of salvaged old glass for
use in restoration. For now I just want the holes filled, the windows off the floor, and a what little light those dirty
panes let through. When redone, they will likely get colored glass.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-08-28 11:50 PM (#238811 - in reply to #238655)
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Got the rafter tails cut on the east side after having to shave a number of upward-curled ends that complicated a
normally straight-forward job. Took the rest of the day off and built some rock wall out front to neaten-up the garden
edges and make the DLI happy.

Tomorrow I will pick up ten sheets of 1/2" CDX and set the first courses of roof sheeting so I can build platforms on
them to set the rest of the material that will be delivered via crane to the rooftop. This correctly suggests (for those
reading between the lines) that the first courses will have to be manually humped up there via ladders.

After that, it is just roofing and gutters and I am INDOORS for the winter !
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60 Plymouth
Posted 2010-08-29 4:49 PM (#238898 - in reply to #238811)
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Nothing like humping sheeting up a ladder...

Are those rafters on 2' centers?

Just from experience I would use OSB under the roof it won't buckel up like that ole plywood can. even with all kinds of nails in it.

Other wise happy packin. I am sure you could find someone hanging out at the Homedepot to pack that for ya
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-08-30 12:47 AM (#238956 - in reply to #238898)
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No OSB for me. No likey OSB. No likey humping sheets either !

Found an ingenious way to get around bringing all that sheeting up .... I just flipped the building upside down !

Here we see the first course on and finally creating something of a finished profile for the building.



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-08-30 12:51 AM (#238958 - in reply to #238956)
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With the first course of roof sheeting on, I got two sheets on for the next course (to build a platform on
for the rest to be boomed on to) and then got started on the other side. It got dark before I got beyond
snapping lines, so tomorrow ....



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61plymy
Posted 2010-08-30 1:53 PM (#239022 - in reply to #149629)
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Ooooooooooooohhh! This is where you find out exactly how square you came out. Looks good so far on this side. You going to use steel roofing or composition, Doc?

Mike
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Posted 2010-08-30 2:06 PM (#239025 - in reply to #238898)
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60 Plymouth - 2010-08-29 4:49 PM


Just from experience I would use OSB under the roof it won't buckel up like that ole plywood can. even with all kinds of nails in it.



OSB is a better way to go (my opinion) - its 2010; OSB has grown up - You still swingin a hammer or what ?
(they have nail guns now too ya know )


It's your building so do what you want - it's not like yer paintin a DeSoto conv purple or nothin . . .

BTW - That is SOME building - I think we all will be jealous of it once you are done


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Posted 2010-08-30 4:05 PM (#239045 - in reply to #149629)
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Ooooooooooooohhh! This is where you find out exactly how square you came out

this is why we x brace the rafters to !------------------------------------------------------------------------------------later
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-08-30 7:49 PM (#239078 - in reply to #239045)
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I am going to used rolled for temporary. It looks like I am on the short list for deployment and will be
gone for a year. Gotta just button it up for the duration.
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Posted 2010-08-31 2:45 PM (#239195 - in reply to #239078)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-01 10:39 AM (#239273 - in reply to #239195)
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Gidman - 2010-09-01 11:45 AM

Deployment to....?


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FOB Afghanistan.

Had the roof sheeting delivered and before I got back from work to start slamming it down, it began
to rain ! Took the night off.

Just as well. My brother had an emergency water heater replacement problem and I went out there
instead.


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carjock
Posted 2010-09-02 9:17 AM (#239373 - in reply to #149629)
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FOB Afghanistan? What part of your building project is over there? Seriously, are you in a reserve group that got called up? That's not exactly a vacation spot!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-02 12:09 PM (#239387 - in reply to #239373)
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I will work as a Security Escort, making sure people are who they say they are and getting them where
they need to go without getting dead. Vacation ? .... it will be a kitty litter box paradise !
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-02 11:58 PM (#239524 - in reply to #239387)
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Back to the shop ....

Getting hard to show progress without a helicopter !

Had the bulk of the sheeting delivered to the rooftop. My usual supplier does not have boom trucks. The price difference
was 12 dollars for 50 sheets to the rooftop vs. me humping them up there manually. I opted for the 12 buck expenditure !

Second photo shows the east side done before I broke down the platform I used to stack the plywood on. I got the west side
done, but for two cut sheets at the top corner. Simply ran out of daylight. It is too dark to see what you are cutting at 2000 hrs
now.

I will pick up roofing tomorrow and hopefully have it on by the end of the day (?) After that it is on to sheet the gable ends
and under the eaves, hang some gutters, secure the doors, and the game is over. What a haul !



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-03 12:08 AM (#239527 - in reply to #239022)
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61plymy - 2010-08-31 10:53 AM

Ooooooooooooohhh! This is where you find out exactly how square you came out. Looks good so far on this side.

Mike


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Using lasers to square the four corners before any of the roof went up, and doing the same to really get the ridge wall
just right, it was just a matter of string lines down the three walls and gable ends to keep an eye on things.

Final answer ? Both sides had a final top rip of 46 and 1/4 and the gables were flawless square ! The anal retentive
carpenter strikes again !
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60 Plymouth
Posted 2010-09-03 7:06 PM (#239610 - in reply to #239078)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-08-30 7:49 PM

I am going to used rolled for temporary. It looks like I am on the short list for deployment and will be
gone for a year. Gotta just button it up for the duration.







Doc go get a product called Titanium it is a underlayment instead of felt. If you put it on correct it will last a long time. Good stuff and better than using rolled roofing as a temp covering.This stuff will be shingle ready when you get back..

I dont know why you don't just shingle it now. that roof should only take two days to do.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-03 7:24 PM (#239616 - in reply to #239610)
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The roof has 5 foot overhang gable ends that would take a month to build. I have less than 5 days to
wrap this up and outfit for shipping out. No time and I don't want to feather in a roof later. I'll just wrap
it for now and finish it up when I get back. At least it won't be snowing INSIDE this year !!!!
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61plymy
Posted 2010-09-03 8:44 PM (#239625 - in reply to #149629)
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Anal Retentive Carpenter!!!! I love that, Doc.

Sorry you gotta bug out for a while. Not fun, I know.

You take it easy over there, stay in contact, and keep your head down. Put your optics down onto the gun and get rid of that old fashioned carry handle. It makes you too good a target with your head so high trying to sight.

And above all else, remember that all of us back in the US aren't a**holes that hate what you are doing for us and yours. We got your back, man. So you come back.

Mike
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-04 1:57 AM (#239656 - in reply to #239625)
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I will feel relatively at ease knowing the building is weathertight and secure. My job is my job, ... you train for
emergent situations and keep your antennas up. We work 12 hour shifts, seven days a week. There won't be
much time to ponder our navels. For me, time passes quickly when I am really busy. My days at DOC went like
that, .... it seemed the shift was over before I really got going. I hope this will be the same and I am home before
I know it. I'll be finding out soon enough !



I sheeted the last bits of the roof today, did a little outfitting for deployment, picked up the roofing on my way back
and met with the attorney about updating my will. Packed 15 $#@! rolls of roofing up the ladder and staged it on the
roof. My hired guy says he'll be ready to go at 0800 to get it rolled with me. The first course is something of a bugger
for one guy. Gotta be off the roof and on the road for Sand Point by 1230 to meet with my 82 year old buddy about
some of his survivorship concerns.

These days are getting pretty heavy with too much to do.
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56royaldodge
Posted 2010-09-04 9:36 AM (#239668 - in reply to #239656)
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So you are building your shop in AFF ganny stein? - random stuipdio post. Keep up the good work and be safe.
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Gidman
Posted 2010-09-04 2:26 PM (#239694 - in reply to #239668)
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Be safe over there Doc! Post some photos if you can!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-05 1:23 PM (#239801 - in reply to #239694)
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My buddy John has done 7 tours and loves it. I would prefer to come home intact ... But it somehow sounds contrived
to get into the "be safe" thing. The recruiting paperwork says right up front "Expect daily small arms and rocket fire". Safety
comes with good luck and a heads up regimen based on good training. The odds are I'll do just fine and may have a fine
adventure of it. I will miss my wife terribly.
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61plymy
Posted 2010-09-05 7:24 PM (#239831 - in reply to #149629)
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Long remote tours are no fun. Strange as it may sound, I'd rather do my time in a hot zone than a boring twiddle your thumbs zone, Doc. As you say, when you are engaged to the max, time flies by. When I'm away from wifey I like time to fly.

You no doubt WILL have a couple of "fine adventures", but those just let you know that life is for real and is in need of being charished.

Mike
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-06 12:03 PM (#239899 - in reply to #239831)
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I don't seem to be having the best of luck with the project lately. Three hours after the roof sheeting was delivered it began to
rain for the first time in a month. I no sooner get the roofing on the west side and the winds pick up and tear it up pretty good.

Got the roofing repaired and did the other side, made some wind resistance modifications. My planned roof cap doesn't cover, so
on to Plan B. At least it is largely dried-in and ready for bad weather.

Being Labor Day, the DLI insists this is THE shopping day for sale prices on my outfit gear, so that is the primary objective for today.

With the roof on and a 15x36 room vacant above the shop, the next step is to get the last junk out of my storage unit and into the new
space. This will save $168 a month.
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big m
Posted 2010-09-06 5:24 PM (#239949 - in reply to #239625)
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61plymy - 2010-09-03 5:44 PM

Anal Retentive Carpenter!!!! I love that, Doc.

Sorry you gotta bug out for a while. Not fun, I know.

You take it easy over there, stay in contact, and keep your head down. Put your optics down onto the gun and get rid of that old fashioned carry handle. It makes you too good a target with your head so high trying to sight.

And above all else, remember that all of us back in the US aren't a**holes that hate what you are doing for us and yours. We got your back, man. So you come back.

Mike


Amen to that!!

---John
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deloverly
Posted 2010-09-08 2:08 AM (#240238 - in reply to #149629)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-08 2:32 AM (#240242 - in reply to #240238)
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With a wink and a nod over mention of being deployed, a local metal bender whipped up some special ridge
cap on the muy-pronto program today and I got it on to finish the roof .... but not before it rained !

The normal supplier said they could have it in a couple weeks which just wasn't going to work.

So, tonight I picked up a truckload of parts and after knocking down all the bracing and pulling nails, passing
it all down to the ground and stacking it, cleaning up the scraps and six 5-gallon buckets of sawdust, we handed
up the truckload of junk and the game is officially on to move into the new place. Tomorrow I will order up gutters
and continue the move-in process.

Not much to take pictures of !
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DeSotohead
Posted 2010-09-08 8:20 AM (#240254 - in reply to #240242)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-09-08 2:32 AM
Not much to take pictures of !


How about a picture of the wet "Dr. DeSoto"? That ought to be good for a laugh!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-08 10:49 AM (#240267 - in reply to #240254)
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I wouldn't want to scare the children !


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Posted 2010-09-08 11:08 AM (#240272 - in reply to #149629)
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Hell, it's Spokane for cripes sake. What, 5, 10 drops of rain maybe? It's not the rainy season there yet.

A wet baseball cap brim. Oh my!!!

Mike
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-10 2:20 AM (#240641 - in reply to #240272)
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I HATE MOVING !!!!

8,374 trips back and forth to the storage place. But I am seeing the benefit of building a stadium for a shop ....
... the building swallowed up all the junk and it still looks empty !

Gonna hang some sheetmetal off the rafters tomorrow and should be moved out completely by Saturday.
That will give me 2 days with the Dear One before saying "adios!". /
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Posted 2010-09-10 10:20 AM (#240668 - in reply to #149629)
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i've been going through deployments for almost 21 yrs. with my son . each time i knew he was leaving it tore my heart out . it got to be he just wouldn't tell me till he got back . it was a lot of long periods of not knowing for sure . now , on 2 dec 2010 he will be retiring and back home . i lost a lot of yrs. with out him and now god has given him grace and the fortunes of rejoining his familly . this christmas will be just like his first one . he has spent over half his life helping to protect us all and for that i owe him mine . doc , god speed and remember i will also owe you mine !----------------------------------------------------------------------------later
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Posted 2010-09-10 11:46 AM (#240688 - in reply to #240641)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-09-10 12:20 AM

Gonna hang some sheetmetal off the rafters tomorrow and should be moved out completely by Saturday.
That will give me 2 days with the Dear One before saying "adios!". /


Don't forget the final set of photos
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-11 2:37 AM (#240860 - in reply to #240668)
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Thanks Chuck. And thank you to your son. It is an honor to serve.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-12 1:25 PM (#241119 - in reply to #240860)
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This will likely be the last photo of the project before I go.

South end gable all buttoned up. The roofing is done, the gutters are on. I will stain the raw wood and plumb in the
downspouts before I go.



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Nice shop. Do you need any bats for your building? We have extras. Its great cleaning guano off everything!

All kidding aside, be careful out there. This site and region wouldn't be the same without you! M'Lisa, John and our fourlegged children.
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DeSotohead
Posted 2010-09-14 8:03 AM (#241382 - in reply to #241200)
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deloverly - 2010-09-12 10:30 PM

Nice shop. Do you need any bats for your building? We have extras. Its great cleaning guano off everything!

All kidding aside, be careful out there. This site and region wouldn't be the same without you! M'Lisa, John and our fourlegged children.


M'Lisa....That was FUNNY!!!!

Brent...you take care, and if you find a way, post occasionally to us from Afghanistan. Comparisons between Spokanistan and Afghanistan would be nice. Washington State is so "progressive", the smells might be similar!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-09-16 10:32 PM (#241702 - in reply to #241382)
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Thanks for the good wishes.

I will try to stay in touch when time and internet access allows. My assignment won't be revealed
unit we have "boots on the ground". Some bases have no electricity, let alone internet access !

Just a follow-up .....

I flew out of Spokanistan on an 0500 redeye for Fort Worth for predeployment training. I worked
on the shop till 2330 of the night before tying in the internal gutter drains and a few other loose ends
before coming in the house to do a final checklist packing job and hitting the hay at 0230. The alarm
went off an hour later and I was up and on my way. My first night in camp I ate something bad and
got another single hour of sleep before roll call. This was ungood and I was dogging it going through
classes and inspections for the next 16 hours. Got 5 hours of sleep last night, but busted my hump to
finish some assignments and tonight I am free ! This means I have a little time to hook up my internet
and get back in touch.

So, in the end, I got the gables sheeted and stained, the vent screens in place, the gutters all dialed in
so the place is largely a big brick fortress of weathertight protection for the cars. My brother came by
and helped move a bunch of stuff around, so the entire front yard area is all cleaned up and looking all
purty for the neighbors while I am gone. No lumber stacks, no fenders or scattered buckets of materials.
just a clean building and a clean yard.

Not sure when my group ships out, but I'll update when time allows.

Out, for now !
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-09-12 11:25 AM

This will likely be the last photo of the project before I go.

South end gable all buttoned up. The roofing is done, the gutters are on. I will stain the raw wood and plumb in the
downspouts before I go.


Is this shop next to a sunflower farm?
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-11-30 2:47 AM (#297995 - in reply to #297923)
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The sunflowers were an outgrowth of a trip I took across Kansas years ago. The ditches and
fields were full of the things just growing wild. I have found it a lot easier to plant in wildflowers
in an area for "good looks" than any other option. Weeding is minimal and they just keep going
all summer long. The sunflowers are exceptional for this. After a few seasons, the hybrid seed
originals genetically mutate back to the wilder - small, multiple flower heads - look, rather than
the single, big flower, and will bloom repeatedly from June to Sept.
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Hey Doc I had to go back to 2011 to find this! It's now 2014.
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57Kelii
Posted 2014-01-31 7:48 AM (#425060 - in reply to #149629)
Subject: Re: The Shop



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This was a fun article to read
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firedome
Posted 2014-02-01 1:45 PM (#425317 - in reply to #425060)
Subject: Re: The Shop



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Ya it's always fun to see someone ELSE workin' their butt off! My days of doing construction are over, below is me building our VT cottage in '07, a sight you'll never see again.

Gonna be a nice building, Doc, going up was smart.

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