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Location: bishop, ca | A little bidding-psych-out , going on there, Mike?
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Location: The Mile High City | Just a bit! Neil, have you seen any literature on whether that seat center section could be either black or white? I always thought black was the appropriate color, but I continue to learn. |
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Location: bishop, ca | The middle area is "always" black, and "never" white......on OEM interiors.
I know: never-say-always, but, it only makes sense that a very-limited, unique sub-contracted upholsery set
would be made up in only one style-pattern, especially involving a car model that has only four versions of a particular
2-tone color scheme.
Here's something, too: beyond antenna(e), mirror(s), and D500 emblem, the Regals had NO other exterior trim options
available on their bodies, right?????
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Location: bishop, ca | ....I wonder how many extra-for-stock Regal Lancer upholstery sets were made???????
25 ?
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Location: The Mile High City | There was a NOS driver seat back on eBay a while ago...
I don't know if you might consider the bumper guards "trim", but I think those were still optional on the Regals and whether or not they are there makes a difference in how the car looks. Other than what you mentioned, I can't think of anything else. I think the twin strut mirrors were standard on the Regals. Did Regals always come with spinners? |
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Location: bishop, ca | Now, there's a couple/three good questions.
The bumper guards aren't on the body (my disclaimer), but, as far as having DUAL (dual-strut, at that) mirrors (and spinners)
as standard equipment.....I guess that we have to go back and look at all the factory (and this thread's) photos.
The spinners can be missing or replaced; their presence proves nothing, but it seems like the attractive 'vaned' wheel covers ought to have been standard on the Regals ( too), but maybe not.
I don't recall ever reading anything in the literature about the mirrors and/or the spinners being standard equipment on the Regals.
I didn't see that complete Regal NOS seat back, on Flea-pay.
It's my general belief that the seat upholstery was assembled inside the factory.
Think I'll ask about that, on one of the other message boards.
Edited by d500neil 2009-07-24 4:58 PM
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Location: The Mile High City | It appears that your press release does show the dual dual-strut mirrors as standard for the Regals. The hubcaps, I don't know. Also, we ran into Aivar's car which may have had the spring special fin ornaments, perhapse even the license escutcheon as trim options???
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Location: The Mile High City | I think Clive outbid me, but we were nowhere near the reserve, I'll bet. Either the market has really softned, or the auction just did not find the right eyes. I hope he will list it again! I think it is worth much more than $16,119.58!!! |
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Location: The Mile High City | Here is a shot of Harry Doody's Regal D-500. Harry is a member. I don't think we have posted a picture of it here, though.
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, I DO know one other body-item that would be optionally available on the Regals (in addition to the antennae,
and assuming that both rear view mirrors were STANDARD equipment) : the optional "Bumper Group" included
a stainless steel license plate insert.
The front and rear bumper 'Vertical Guards' were technically not a part of the cars' bodies, but, that license plate
insert certainly was!
BTW, Aivar's Regal is equipped with every option except that Bumper Group, and, the Super D500 engine option .
I thought that I had a copy of his Regal's IBM card, but, I'm not finding it, as far as that Spring Special fin-ornament
is concerned.
What do you suppose that the "Sweep Moldings" were? According to the Broadcast Sheets and IBM card copies, there
were supposedly MORE than just one style/type to them....I wonder if they referred to the "Saddle Trim" long-molding?
The length of the moldings would vary, with the 2 door and 4 door models, but, I've never yet seen that option recorded
on a B.-S., or IBM card copy.----that may be 'it', though. Gotta go find and check a "Saddle" car's IBM card copy...
BTW, I've never seen a B.-S., or IBM card, on a real S.-S. car, to see how their trim options are recorded on them, either.
There must be some 'special' coding for them, as the B.-S., and IBM-guy have no standard-coding for them.
The Regals all got a standard body-trim, so, the only coding to identify THEM is their unique Paint & Trim codes.
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Location: The Mile High City | Neil, I always thought the sweep moulding was the last piece of stainless "check mark" just before the fin's upsweep. If that were the sweep moulding, no Regal would be equipped with it since the lower paint and trim area does not allow for it. I think the sweep moulding was optional on Coronets in 1958, but standard on Royals and Custom Royals. |
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Location: bishop, ca | That dippity-doo molding-guy was not an optional piece of trim, but a dedicated part of the CR model line
(just like the fluted quarter panel molding was, in 1957).
I agree, though, that 'Sweep Molding' is a good name for that piece of trim.
BTW, it's been a while since I got a nice piece of trim.
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Location: Connecticut | grant4405 - 2009-09-09 12:20 AM has anyone ever seen a 59 regal lancer?? this thread sort of went dead and this has been on my mind the whole time . i ran across of picture of one years ago on an obscure website but i dont know if it is real or not. There were no Regal Lancers built in '59. The pics you saw were of a prototype, but that's as far as it got. |
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Location: bishop, ca | ...I was just thinking, about this car's having white vinyl center-seat areas be installed on it; that white-detail would
probably look good on the mostly-bronze, with white-accent, models, as it would carry over the white-accent into
the interior motif.
That's probably why this car's restorer decided to install the white panels, too: no real reason to have the black
OEM seat sections, in a white/bronze car .
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Location: The Mile High City | The Godshall article in Collectible Automobile (Vol. 10, No. 2 8/93) showed a picture of the '59 Regal concept.
"Although a Regal Lancer was designed and okayed for 1959, it was canceled in April 1958 when Chrysler began writing in red ink. It would have looked like the car seen here, with a unique bodyside molding and insert, decklid molding, roof trim, rear deck medallion, roof and deck windsplit molding, and hood and decklid paint break molding, plus assorted nameplates. It was also slated to get the swivel seats."
In the pictures, it looked like a tri-tone light blue, dark blue, and white. It had a very unusual paint break with the main body in light blue, the roof and outside part of the fins in white, and the inboard side of the fins in dark blue. Also, the picture had the standard wheelcovers, not the spinners! If a person had unlimited resources, it would be a lot of fun to recreate that one! I didn't see any pictures of the interior.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Are you guys STILL running your jibs about Regal Lancers ? ! 
FYI ~ My parts book has the special insert regarding all the special parts used to make a Regal, ... in case this may be of use to you "regal" cats.  |
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Location: The Mile High City | Heck Doc, join the fun! This is EASILY the best thread on the forums! Neil has a little teaser of that parts list way back on page 402! We are all just waiting for the next Regal to show up. I am really hoping that we get to see a picture of Brian's black Regal when it gets restored. Unfortunately, I don't think Brian posts on the forwardlook site  On the other hand, Pat posts here and we may get to see the progress on his eggshell Regal again one day.
Doc, if you can give us the complete parts list - you can one-up our man in Bishop.
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Location: The Mile High City | Got a question -
We know the fin spears on a Regal are supposed to be silver. We know the shield on the spear is supposed to have a black background. What color are the shield and the knight's head supposed to be? I couldn't get a clear answer by looking back through the pictures! Aivar's look all silver. Others are gold annodized. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | This $#@! book is a bugger to copy stuff out of. Big and cumbersome, it really doesn't sit open nicely on my lap so I can read and type .... aaaarrgghhh !
So, ... It is Dodge bulletin No. 144. Issue date: 11 April, 1958
"Parts peculiar to 1958 Dodge "Regal Lancer""
Four pages of stuff.
Says here the "ash receiver" was special to RL's !
List is too long to rewrite the whole thing, but I can answer questions ....
Also have the Dodge Taxi special parts bulletin and the same for the Silver Special Plymouth. All three say they include photos, but I do not have these. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Mike, the outer edge of the shield emblem's border is the usual/typical bright silver anodization; the
face area is black, and the knight's head is the usual/typical gold anodization.
I gotta go look up the ash-receiver's being a unique part----
YEP; over on pg-6 of this thread I had posted the complete listing of the unique Regal
Lancer parts, and there it is : "ash receiver, # 1830 242".
In/on various pics on this thread the front and/or the rear ash receiver(s) is/are seen.
The rear ashtray is identical to all the other 57/58 guys.
The front ashtray differs only in its COLOR (bronze).
As the front ashtray is removable, a pre-painted piece must have been available, which kind-of
makes sense, in that a customer needing (how/why???) a replacement front ash receiver
could get one all ready to install in his car, because the special bronze paint was probably a special
short-production-item, which only required 1-run of the bronze painting work, on the dash panels/pieces.
However, I'm certain (but haven't verified) that any OTHER front ash receiver would have to be
painted, in order to match the color of the dash-middle (i.e.: ivory/black/blue/green/gold), and that the
parts warehouse could not(???) have maintained a 'similar' supply of pre-painted ash receivers, in stock???
I mean, what % of all 57-58 Dodges ever required the replacement of the front ashtray?
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Location: somerville mass | aw you guys yes you too neil sorry! about this section of int. trim.... this should be this or that color - cmon man!!!! jeez!!!! this car is goregous
and its body chassis and drive train exc. for a repaint at one time SURVIVED 51 years! not too many of any classic car survives in this
condition with its orig guts and strong body - rot rot rot poorly fit patches on body different drive trains some even ride on a different chassis
to nit pick about a beautiful orig. special trim model MADE ONE YEAR about a section of fabric or color of a trim piece!?!?!?! even with the
current ecomomy 20 grand is a bargain! which one of you guys is gonna buy it? if i had the money id buy it in a heart beat! its a finned fwl
mopar its super rare AND IN MY STATE!!!!! |
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Location: bishop, ca | Steve, in THIS economy, $20Large might just be too much money for a lot of people to want to pay for this car.
If you were interested in buying this/any car, wouldn't you want to know how well and correctly it was 'restored' ?
In my car's case (10/80), it took a couple years for the lower area bondo-coverup to begin having the underlying rust-out
begin to leach into/thru the 'body-work'.
I would have appreciated someone's having advised me on the car's visible red-flags (like a horrible undercarriage, but XLNT-
looking body) that I wasn't consciously aware-of, when I bought the car sight-unseen (kind of like: Evilpay, today) out
of the Chi-Town/Gary IN area (another red-flag!)
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Location: Parts Unknown | Newsflash ...
This isn't nitpicking a car. This is refining our collective knowledge of what this unique model was.
I do not think I'd do a Regal, myself. I just can't get with the side trim and color insert. I just like the 57 version so much better.
So, I guess that leaves this car up to you to buy. Let us know when you get it home. |
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Location: somerville mass | i spoke to him if it doesnt sell pretty soon ill get it for 17.5 and have a well known restorer check it out and ill bring a magnet - and 17.5 -
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Location: somerville mass | oh i'm looking NOW for a safe solid garage long enough to keep it in!!! |
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Location: The Mile High City | Here is another Regal I saw on a Cadillac forum. With the Regal (unknown on these pages, I think) there were several photographs of other neat forwardlookers.
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Location: The Mile High City | d500neil - 2009-09-10 1:03 PM
Mike, the outer edge of the shield emblem's border is the usual/typical bright silver anodization; the
face area is black, and the knight's head is the usual/typical gold anodization.
Thanks Neil. In looking at various examples shown in these pages, I have noted that some have
silver border / silver head
silver border / gold head
gold border / gold head (most common)
I have not seen a gold border / silver head combination. Also, and I think we have discussed this, the block and script Dodge letters are typically chrome pot metal, which is unusual for a variation of the Custom Royal model. The Custom Royals came with gold annodized aluminum block & script. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Right, I/we have seen OEM Custom Royals having either the gold anodized, or the chromed pot metal, script "Dodge"
trunk nameplates.
All 57-58 Dodge 'knights-head' shield emblems should have a gold anodized knights-head, and, the chrome-like border framing.
The front facing-panel can be either a semi-gloss silver-paint, or gloss black paint(only on the Regals) .
Regals got chrome-like anodized 'lances' ; everyone else got the gold anodized lance ornaments.
Any variations from these schemes are due to some owner's involvement in the attachment and/or appearance of these guys.
BTW, both of these two new Regals have 'black' painted grille-emblems.
And, you know? I'm starting to favor the bronze-with-white-trim scheme!
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Location: The Mile High City | Those pictures were late June 2009 in Minnesota. Two Regals in one show? Amazing! Same thing happened in Massachusetts once I guess. |
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | d500neil - 2009-09-11 4:30 PM
And, you know? I'm starting to favor the bronze-with-white-trim scheme!
Thanks, Neil! That is a very good picture of that combo. The most interesting thing is that is has the front fender antenna like mine. This is definitely a previously unknown (or at least unposted) to this forum Regal Lancer. Keep those pictures coming, the list is growing.
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Location: The Mile High City | Jeez! Vedder gets credit for everything around here!  Pat, those are the only pictures he posted of Regals. At a casual glance, I thought he took two pictures of one Regal. The spuds and the black paint on that first picture set me straight though!
I have yet to see a picture of a fully restored 5ASA. I will reserve my pick for favorite color scheme until then. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | There was a black with bronze one at Al's Auto Wrecking. I think I have the data tag and VIN off it (?). It was a stunning car. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Doc, please PM me with that car's info; VIN not very important, but, it will give an idea when the car was built.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Neil ~
Kick my cage about a year after the new shop is built and I should have the mountain of boxes in storage resorted and organized in the new place. I have shoeboxes of vin and data tag sets from many of the cars I parted and interesting ones doomed to wrecking yards I frequented. Right now, I could not find it if I wanted to !  |
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Location: The Mile High City | That "bronze regal 1" photograph must be of Randy Guyer's Regal (formerly Ruffalo's - and the same as shown in Collectible Automobile).
It looks different from the one restored by MoPar Mel as shown on his website (no spuds, for starters). I wonder if these are one and the same or if the one restored by Mel went to Massachusetts?
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Location: bishop, ca | Nobody's ever claimed to have seen, recently, that "3-tone" (black finned) Regal whose photo I posted, earlier, either. |
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Location: The Mile High City | Here is a link to Gary's wonderful photos of Aivar's Regal. http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=27547&posts=10&start=1 |
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Location: bishop, ca | This latest piece of trivia will be of no interest, except to far-distant FWDLK researchers, and present day Regal-nerds,
but, as part of some research into the Regal Lancers, today, I have developed the following theory, about some options-coding
on the Regal Lancers, to wit:
NO Regal Lancers will have Paint/Trim plate codings for the following Option Groups: Safety, Appearance, and/or Deluxe Appearance,
because the UNIQUE Regal-specific padded sun-visors (which are otherwise included within the Safety Group) and the 2-tone steering
wheel (which is/are otherwise included within the two 'Appearance' Groups) are STANDARD equipment on the Regals, and are not,
otherwise optionally-available on any 'lesser' Dodge model.
Any of the other individual "Safety", "Appearance" and/or "Deluxe Appearance" group-items will have to be individually accounted for,
on the Broadcast Sheets and/or on the IBM Build Card copies.
Now, where to FIND those option codings, on the P/T plates, is still a State Secret, but, the above information confirms why some
Regal Lancer's P/T plates might appear to indicate that 'the' car might be less-than-heavily optioned. The B.-Sheets and IBM cards
WILL/can confirm, to the contrary.
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Location: The Mile High City | I found this in Hemmings Motor News this month and it referenced the website. I believe the price was listed at $45,000 - which doesn't seem bad if this is a real Super D-500 car. It looks quite a bit like the Ruffalo car, but obviously different.
www.mopardoc.com then click on "cars for sale". I wish they had more pictures of this beauty.
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Location: The Mile High City | it appears from the picture that the rear package shelf cover is missing and one of the headliner bow covers is down. Although difficult to see, some of the hardboard headliner may be missing. From those clues, I am guessing that the interior is not as nice as the exterior. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Sean Machado has previously confirmed that the blue 1960 Polara is not a real D500, as is listed on the seller's
website.
The Regal's P/T plate will confirm its D500 status.
It's got a replaced fuel line on it; too bad we can't see its passengers side exhaust manifold. The heater doesn't appear to
be working, but, those carbs have been installed on it for a while.
$45K seems to be a bit pricey, although the car might be a real single-4 D500.
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Location: The Mile High City | So is this one we have seen before in this thread, or a new one to this thread? I think it might be new. This would bring the total up to almost 30 cars accounted for recently. Amazing! To me, it seems that most of these have been bronze with black accents as this one is. It would be great to see the data plate for this one. Neil, are you going to send them a request? |
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Location: Omaha, NE | What a hideous steering wheel.  At least he kept the original... |
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Location: bishop, ca | ..Only the car's owner (for about the past 10 years, or so) is supposed to send in for the IBM card.
Back-Then, I scored a lot of D500 (wrecked cars') IBM card copies for $15.00 each, including some of Kiekaefer's rides.
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Location: The Mile High City | Matthias, you must be talking about the old Frostbite! Ah, that car grew on me - now I might say, keep it just as is!
Neil - I was talking about contacting the owner and asking for a photograph of the data plate... |
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