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h-bomb
Posted 2009-02-17 8:53 AM (#163491 - in reply to #123355)
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Weird stuff going on here -- this picture shows a '58 front end, but with odd fender spears:



And this picture shows it to be '57 with a '58 decklid:



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Posted 2009-02-17 1:15 PM (#163519 - in reply to #123355)
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Definitely a mish mash of parts, Harris.

The fender spears are from a Plaza series, possibly the car was wrecked and the '58 parts from a Plaza bolted on? ---John
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Posted 2009-02-17 5:48 PM (#163569 - in reply to #123355)
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Why can't I link in pictures and they show up?
No I don't want all my pictures make super small and load 'em up here again... Takes Too much time...

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Posted 2009-02-17 5:49 PM (#163570 - in reply to #123355)
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Could be a modernized Fury, now that u say it, I wasn't sure what year it actually was. I wondered on my way back home. Usually the lower grille is very noticeable on the '57. That section is also destroyed here, but in the picure it looks like the '58 golden bars. But I was so nervous on this place that I did forget to check the car better out. I nearly had a heart attack there. And that Fury blew me away! I'm also not a Fury expert. The lights in front are '57 though. Or a light and a blink light that is. The car was a manual 3 speed and is a kp/h speedometer european version! Pretty rare I think.

In Switzerland Chrysler had a plant in a town called Schinznach. It was an assembly plant. They did get the cars in parts from USA and put them together in that plant. GM had also one in Biel. That way they got around the high import taxes the swiss border demanded.

It might be a car they did put togehter with older and newer parts later in '57. But I'm not sure. I have planned to go there not too long, and I will check the car more out.

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Posted 2009-02-17 5:58 PM (#163571 - in reply to #123355)
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While looking at the pictures again I noticed that the front fenders and hood have no more paint on 'em and are rusted over complete. So is the trunk. Probably had that accident, who BIG M has guessed and was either fixed with parts from a donor car, that were repainted or with spare parts that were painted the white color. Looks like not the same paint quality as the original rest of the car!


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Posted 2009-02-17 6:46 PM (#163576 - in reply to #163571)
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Why were you so nervous, in that yard?

The Black Forest? Trrransylvania???
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Posted 2009-02-17 6:56 PM (#163578 - in reply to #123355)
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Why, 'cause there were about 500 or more vintage cars there, and I'm a car guy. Nuff said?
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Posted 2009-02-17 7:03 PM (#163579 - in reply to #163578)
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Oh, I thought that you meant that you were afraid for your physical health, there!

Mental-health is an entirely different issue--Mopar Fanaticus Irregularis is a fatal brain disorder, I understand.





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Posted 2009-02-17 10:17 PM (#163608 - in reply to #123355)
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The fender spears are too far forward too. A lot of pictures of this yard and the "Fury" have been floating around for years. Different people taking them. This is the first time I have viewed pictures from inside the car. "She's wasted"- Boyd Coddington. The car gets worse and worse every time I view the pictures.
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Posted 2009-02-18 4:02 PM (#163675 - in reply to #163608)
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The Boydster said that? How rude, in front of the Lady.

"And, when you speak of me; speak well." [ C. Davis].




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Posted 2009-02-23 5:48 PM (#164496 - in reply to #123355)
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Miss belvedere, may be gone now, but she had fun before go to the concrete vault, remember that guy who drove the s**t out of her on the dirt,?. The guy was kick out of the tulsarama event because his reckless drive.
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Posted 2009-02-24 6:13 PM (#164665 - in reply to #123355)
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Wasn't he a youngster, around the age of 15? Seems to me I read that in one of the kiosks that were set up there. ---John
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Posted 2009-02-24 11:39 PM (#164743 - in reply to #123355)
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I like that speedometer- sure would be cool to take that and convert it to work in mph. A "one up" above the 150 mph speedometers..
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Posted 2009-06-13 5:12 AM (#177849 - in reply to #123355)
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Gotta wonder if there's ever going to be any more "progress" - hell, I'm starting to wonder if there's still any more CAR.....
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Posted 2009-06-19 4:40 AM (#178521 - in reply to #163570)
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THREE HUNDRED - 2009-02-17 11:49 PM

The car was a manual 3 speed and is a kp/h speedometer european version! Pretty rare I think.

Even rarer than you think !!!!
This is the first time I see a kph speedometer on a '57-'58 Fury !

I've seen european '57-'58 Fury before but they all had a mph speedo.
It was always assumed that the Fury model was not assembled in Europe but delivered straight from the US plants, thus with mph speedo.
Almost all other european '57-'58 Plymouth models did have kph speedometers.

And also, it is not a usual kph speedometer, as it goes over 200kph (the steering wheel does hide the last number, but my guess is 240 kph).
It is the first '57-'58 Plymouth 240kph speedometer that I see !




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Posted 2009-10-05 9:16 PM (#191372 - in reply to #123355)
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Many Plymouths and Chryslers were built in Belgium during this time. If it was built there, it's a sure bet that it has a metric speedo. Keep in mind that US plants ALSO built the occasional order for the European market, and those cars, too, have a metric speedo, even if it were built in the US. I know, I owned a Plymouth with a metric speedo, sent new to a funeral director in Belgium, and it was built in Hamtramck, Michigan new.
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Posted 2009-10-06 1:18 AM (#191402 - in reply to #123355)
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Yes you are right, but so far all european '57-'58 Fury I saw had an mph speedo.
And all '57-'58 european Plymouth with a metric speedo had a 200kph maximum speed.
This one goes to 240kph and it is totally unknown in the parts manual.

PS : are you located in Belgium ?

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Posted 2009-11-26 7:59 PM (#198535 - in reply to #123355)
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Hey all sorry been gone so long. I see no new news on miss B. I have been working on my 4dr sed. She has wide whites and the right hub caps now.

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Posted 2009-12-04 4:58 PM (#199484 - in reply to #198535)
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Hey, James; well, that's about all that can be said about Ms. Belvie, too!

Does anyone know whatever happened to that Fury, above here, with the Kilo-Speedo???




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Posted 2009-12-05 3:11 AM (#199564 - in reply to #123355)
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So I hope she is not totally lost, MS B that is.

I thought only right drive cars would have a Kilo speedo?
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Posted 2009-12-05 4:07 AM (#199570 - in reply to #199484)
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According to the auction results it was sold. No idea who bought it or for how much. The list just said sold.
I would guess it was parted out as it was so rough, no engine or transmission...


d500neil - 2009-12-04 11:58 PM

Hey, James; well, that's about all that can be said about Ms. Belvie, too!

Does anyone know whatever happened to that Fury, above here, with the Kilo-Speedo???

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Posted 2009-12-07 7:56 AM (#199839 - in reply to #199484)
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Does anyone know whatever happened to that Fury, above here, with the Kilo-Speedo???





That car, along with a Belvedere sedan, was purchased by a German member of the International Christine Club.

And no -- he's not going to paint it red and white!

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Posted 2009-12-07 1:50 PM (#199875 - in reply to #123355)
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Posted 2009-12-08 1:22 AM (#199952 - in reply to #123355)
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This will take some diggin and a really big forklift.

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Posted 2009-12-08 8:24 AM (#199978 - in reply to #199952)
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Yeah, if it holds together. Even the back glass has fallen few inches to the trunk.
Still, that speedo would have been a nice conversation piece - and the car seems to have power windows too. Shame that the drive train was gone...

h-bomb, has the German International Christine Club member post any pictures of the car? I would love to see them.

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Posted 2009-12-08 1:31 PM (#200005 - in reply to #123355)
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The drivetrain is in the trunk!


He has a bunch of pictures of the Fury, and everything else located in the yard, here at his Photobucket link:

http://s524.photobucket.com/albums/cc323/AudioMobil/autofriedhof/

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Posted 2009-12-08 4:10 PM (#200014 - in reply to #200005)
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Thanks for the link!
So, it did indeed have engine (in the trunk). The add said no engine. Thou, the engine looks it has 2 bbl intake - the dual fours & air cleaners were gone.
Man, it was event rougher than I thought.
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Posted 2009-12-09 6:49 AM (#200117 - in reply to #123355)
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She's more than rough, almost no floors, no rockers...I'm not sure if this car will come out in one piece!
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Posted 2009-12-10 12:14 PM (#200287 - in reply to #163519)
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The fender spears are from a Plaza series, possibly the car was wrecked and the '58 parts from a Plaza bolted on? ---John


I met a guy who owns a 1957 Belvedere 2dr HT that spent all it's life in Switzerland. He told me that all swiss Plymouths had flat Plaza fender spears because the "normal" ones weren't allowed. I guess they were considered too dangerous for pedestrians?
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Posted 2009-12-11 2:02 AM (#200404 - in reply to #123355)
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Yeah like hitting them with the fender wouldn't hurt enough finish them off with an above fender spear LMAO.
Sorry I know thats not PC. oh yeah I forgot pc is no fun LOL. Hey welcome to the site.

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Posted 2009-12-18 5:21 PM (#201254 - in reply to #200404)
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Just came across something really interesting, last nite, at home, while I was researching Horace Dodge's
257 ft Motor Steam Ship S.S. Delphine II (which cost $1.5MIL to build, in 1921-dollars).

Unfortunately, H.D. did not live to see the ship's completion. The ship is now fully restored, and resides in Monaco.

But, this is not 'it'....

Right next to the "Dodge Dynasty" and "Tangled Web" books, in Re: the Dodge brothers, on my bookshelves, are "Plymouth
Its First 40 years", and, "Plymouth Its First 50 Years" .

These two book-lets were published on June 11, 1968 and June 11, 1978.

Here comes the good part: both books have a chapter (identical) entitled: "Tulsa in 2007" .

It contains nothing that we already don't know, about Ms. Belvie, except that we, now, well-know what the sad-outcome was to have been upon her un-earthing.

Imagine the future-anticipation that was produced, back in 1968, and in 1978, when these books were published, long-before Friday June 15, 2007 (or, Wednesday June 13, 2007, when some of us were present to watch the vault lids get to be removed, revealing the remains of the car, before it was publicly revealed, on 6/15/07).

I'll send Sir Clive a couple pics of that chapter, to post here.







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Posted 2009-12-18 8:42 PM (#201281 - in reply to #123355)
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Good find, Neil,

I'll look forward to seeing the pics.

---John
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Posted 2009-12-21 12:25 AM (#201492 - in reply to #123355)
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Hey Neil, just how many books do you have on MoPar subjects? My guess that it would rival the Library of Congress, am I close :o)

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Posted 2009-12-21 2:05 PM (#201535 - in reply to #201492)
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I was going to refer to my "Library", but thought that that term was pretentious. It is an extensive collection.

I've even got "P47 Thunderbolt AT War", which shows and briefly discusses Chrysler's 1943 development of its 16 cylinder
Hemi head inverted-V liquid cooled engine, with the airframe designated P-47-H, which developed 2,500HP.

Unfortunately :" The engine had teething troubles for many months, and the war was almost over before XP-47-H...ever
took to the air."

Chrysler's development of this engine was the seminal event in its creation of the automotive Firepower Hemi engine, in 1951.

Just some trivia, while we wait for Clive's article-posting....



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Posted 2009-12-22 1:55 AM (#201651 - in reply to #123355)
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This is why Neil is the go to guy with the Dodge questions. So Neil when does the Dodge resto guide come out because I want the first autograghted copy. So I have it if my 57 ever really gets some paint on it.

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Posted 2009-12-22 2:08 PM (#201701 - in reply to #201651)
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Flattery will get you nowhere (ahem)...

Turns out that the pics of/from these book-lets did not get attached to my PM to Sir Clive (flattery, huh??), so,
I'm re-sending them to him, now, but he's off-line, right now.




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Posted 2009-12-22 3:46 PM (#201727 - in reply to #123355)
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Neil, you've got 7592 posts on your name.... How come no-one has ever told you how to post a picture on this site?
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Posted 2009-12-22 4:29 PM (#201735 - in reply to #201727)
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They know what they're doing.....be afraid, be very afraid.
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Posted 2009-12-22 4:41 PM (#201736 - in reply to #123355)
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"They" are not keeping you 'in ze dark' now do "they"?
If you're in the dark aswell, well... I might become afraid of the dark...
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Posted 2009-12-22 4:45 PM (#201739 - in reply to #201254)
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d500neil - 2009-12-18 10:21 PM


I'll send Sir Clive a couple pics of that chapter, to post here.



Neil Finally sent these for You ALL............

Here's the long awaited views and story that Plymouth published,
as early as 6/11/68, in its book-let "Plymouth Its First 40 Years".

As "Plymouth Its First 50 Years" was published on 6/11/78, that
month/day is probably Plymouth's official Birthday.

The first book was written by Gary Blonston, then a member of the
editorial staff of "The Detroit Free Press" newspaper.

The book's second edition was updated and prepared/written by
The Corp's Historical Society, and Mr. Don Butler, a retired
Corp. stylist and a then-automobile history researcher/author.


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Posted 2009-12-22 5:22 PM (#201753 - in reply to #201739)
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Here's a little more trivia, from these books---it's been said/written that the name "Plymouth" was derived from
a commercial brand of durable dependable (hey, that's DODGE'S slogan) bailing wire.

But, these books state that the car's name: "....called the Plymouth--a symbol the 'the endurance and strength, the
rugged honesty, enterprise and determination of achievement and freedom from old limitations of the Pilgrim band
(never heard their music?) who were the first American colonists' . "

The Detroit Free Press, "in mid-June, 1928" , probably on-or-around 6/11/28 I'll bet, published a teaser-article about
the introduction of an as-yet un-named company's plans to produce a new economy car to be called the Plymouth.




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Posted 2009-12-23 2:00 AM (#201836 - in reply to #123355)
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Thanks Neil and Clive, for that post thats KOOL. If only they knew that there was alot of HARMeticly (no) seal going on in Tulsa.


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Posted 2009-12-23 3:13 PM (#201914 - in reply to #201836)
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Arguably, the Tulsarama Folks, and the Corporation, were 'guilty' of their self-promotion regarding the burying of the
Plymmie in a Time Capsule, with the car's fate having been left to its being buried, enclosed within a stitched-together
baggie, [instead of within a welded-shut container, as were the City's own documents] in a low-groundwater area that
was subject to flooding from the nearby Arkansas River...... but both the City's and the Corp's opinions regarding the
car's 2007 condition were genuine expressions of Future-Optimism, as opposed to the current opinions of Future-
Negativity and Despair and cynicism which appear everywhere, today.








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Posted 2009-12-24 3:43 AM (#202005 - in reply to #123355)
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Yepper Neil you are soooo right.

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Posted 2010-07-18 10:59 PM (#233209 - in reply to #123355)
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My 57 Fury also has 58 hood and trunk emblems, but in my case , I think it's due to the build date. Does anyone know the build date of number of that 57?
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I checked the VIN# at Chrylser Historical and they told me they do have the original build sheet.
I still have to figure out how to send the money and we'll see how it will turn out...the VIN is 16221697
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phurious
Posted 2010-07-20 10:10 AM (#233399 - in reply to #233392)
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AudioMobil - 2010-07-20 8:06 AM

I checked the VIN# at Chrylser Historical and they told me they do have the original build sheet.
I still have to figure out how to send the money and we'll see how it will turn out...the VIN is 16221697


Do you have a body number? Like 404-____? Under the hood.

Thanks, Ron
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AudioMobil
Posted 2010-07-20 10:28 AM (#233403 - in reply to #123355)
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I couldn't find any other numbers, there's no body tag...or it's already gone...
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Jessica
Posted 2010-07-20 11:07 AM (#233411 - in reply to #123355)
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Proof of ownership is one of the requirements in obtaining build information. Are they willing to make different arrangements for you considering the vehicle and circumstance? (Or do you own Ms. Belvedere now... in which case disregard...)

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AudioMobil
Posted 2010-07-20 11:38 AM (#233417 - in reply to #123355)
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I have a bill of sale but I have to ask if they would accept paypal because an international money order is expensive...

Edited by AudioMobil 2010-07-20 11:39 AM
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