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Location: Ny | Neil,
It is one thing to discuss the "flaws" and pick apart a vehicle on this forum, and quite another to flag his listing, and set off warning signals on ebay that he is trying to "swindle" everyone. You make it seem as though people who buy cars are all stupid.
There is also a major difference in the type of buyer represented. My point is that, if someone is so adamant about the pedigree of this particular vehicle, then they will be doing their homework.
The forum is a huge representation of how helpful all of our knowledgeable members have been whether it be technical advice, deciphering production information, or even just general queries. You just also have to realize that there are people out there who could care less what Super D500 means. All they see is a beautiful car within their budget. And there is nothing wrong with that.
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Location: bishop, ca | ...Absolutely, Jessica, as long as that potential buyer knows and understands what he is buying.
Doesn't this message board provide a source for the homework, that you recommend?
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, wouldn't it be nice if we all knew who was entitled to read these message boards, so that only people
who need to know something about any particular car could read the postings?
Unfortunately I don't know who-all is reading these posts.
Does anyone?
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Location: bishop, ca | Actually, anyone can read these posts, a person would have to join/log-on to this wensite in order to post a message.
I lurk on quite a few websites, and learn important information on/from them, without joining those sites.
"They" learn from us, without having to post messages here.
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Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | Jessica - 2010-12-10 4:52 PM
Neil,
It is one thing to discuss the "flaws" and pick apart a vehicle on this forum, and quite another to flag his listing, and set off warning signals on ebay that he is trying to "swindle" everyone. You make it seem as though people who buy cars are all stupid.
There is also a major difference in the type of buyer represented. My point is that, if someone is so adamant about the pedigree of this particular vehicle, then they will be doing their homework.
The forum is a huge representation of how helpful all of our knowledgeable members have been whether it be technical advice, deciphering production information, or even just general queries. You just also have to realize that there are people out there who could care less what Super D500 means. All they see is a beautiful car within their budget. And there is nothing wrong with that.
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Location: bishop, ca | "Taking it" and PAYING for it are two different things.
I'll 'take' this car any day, too!
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Location: Big pimpin' | There's these types on every forum I'm a member of..From the musclecars, down to the Christine cars..One guy has to be the one to let everybody else know how incorrect a vehicle is no matter what..Neil happens to be our "- - - - - -"..We have one here that goes to the local car cruise nights and begins to walk up to a perticular car and "Run it's numbers"...Well, when this is done on a more personal level (Unlike the internet), some take major offense to this...About the time the guy was done looking, the owner walked up and asked if he could "Help" him...Dude simply blurted out "This car is not an original Daytona, it's an R/T Charger, that someone performed terrible bodywork on..I can't believe someone would do this to an original R/T"...I watched dude simply say "Well sir, I did the bodywork on this car, I paid for everything, Yes, it is a real R/T, I DID convert it to a Daytona Clone, and the next time I catch you next to my car, you and me's gonna have problem!"..I couldn't help but to laugh, as I know this guy and have tried to tell him he'd run up on the wrong guy one day...Neil just hasn't run into the guy that's selling one of these cars that he's picked apart here...Once that happens and dude lays him out here, I gotta feeling it won't be happening much anymore...All It's gonna take is for one guy selling a car to cruise over here and advertise his car and see it being lit up here on the forums...It's one thing to see a FALSE advertised car being lit up here...IT's another to see a guy trying to sell a clone, advertising it as what it is, and seeing it lit up here by a so-called "Expert"...Don't worry, give it time...It WILL happen...Every dog has it's day, and Neil's is long overdue....
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Location: bishop, ca | Oh, I get it; Mr. Scammer will try to get physical with me, huh?
BTW, Mr. Keyboard-Kommando; why don't you re-read the messages on this thread, and
see who was criticising this car, and when I posted anything directly onto it?
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Location: Big pimpin' | d500neil - 2010-12-10 7:19 PM
Oh, I get it; Mr. Scammer will try to get physical with me, huh?
Neil, I know you can't figure out how to post pics here, but I know you can read the guys listing....How is he a scammer? This is what we are talking bout here..Your picking apart the guys listing... What is the problem? I don't see a problem with the guys listing...Like I said, your day will come sooner or later. Have no fear..Don't say I didn't warn you....Someone's gonna see what your posting about their car on this site and light your ass up...
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Location: Big pimpin' | d500neil - 2010-12-10 7:19 PM
BTW, Mr. Keyboard-Kommando; why don't you re-read the messages on this thread, and
see who was criticising this car, and when I posted anything directly onto it?
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Location: Lordstown, Ohio | Just my nickels worth, if it really matters. And if it don't then , so what.
To me the car is very nice, if I had the cash and it was not an object to me I would purchase it for what ever I felt it is worth to me. Personally "numbers matching" has no value to me. If this is the car I really had a wants for it would not nor should not matter to me. A few years back my dad sold a 58 Impala convertible, done very nice. For the most part numbers matched, things were done as to "factory specs" down to the color of the brake springs. ( which I told my dad is silly) He drove the car everywhere. When he decided to sell it, the guy who bought it, bought it for what it presented itself to him. He navere asked the color of the brake springs, Never looked under the car, which was done spotlessly and shiny. Never looked to see if it was originally a Tropic turquoise car, it was a Desert sand car. He shelled out the cash and went his merry little way.
My own thoughts are, and these are just my thoughts. If one consumes there self with being authentic to the "T" your never ever going to enjoy your car. You will be so consumed with every little thing going on around it that you will present youself as the Stuck up Snob
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Location: Orlando | OBVIOUSLY, there is nothing wrong somebody building their car the way they like it. And the market value is whatever somebody is willing to pay for it.
BUT to misrepresent it as something it is not when it is for sale is fraud.
I think this ebay ad is questionable. He calls it a 'Super D500' numerous times. It isn't....not really. Then he even goes further and says it is not a clone. It is, at least in terms of it's Super D500 status.
We can argue over the details of the wording, but that is best left to lawyers. And anybody who has enough money to plop down $200k+ on a car can afford a good lawyer. They should be smart enough to check out the car's authenticity before purchase, but plenty of people out there have more money than brains. ANd those are exactly the kind of people who fix their mistakes through lawsuits.
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Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | Well well. It seems to me that someone gets upset when there is a car up for sale thats better than theirs.
What is a real shame is seeing a numbers matching OEM car being used as a ram in reverse and therefore diminishing its OEM status and value.
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Oh, Ron - my guess it that it goes over $130,000 but does not reach $140,000. All academic anyway - because the reserve is at or over $200,000.
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Location: Big pimpin' | I thought this section was titled "For Sale - EBAY, CRAIGSLIST & OTHER FINDS"???
When did it change to "For Sale - EBAY, CRAIGSLIST & OTHER FINDS, and the section where you get to pick apart others cars"?
This section is for posting For Sale - EBAY, CRAIGSLIST & OTHER FINDS so others here that might not have seen or be aware of these items can go look FOR THEMSELVES AND MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS on how much to spend..Somehow, it became the "Purist rip corner"...Do your ripping either by phone, by PM, or in Chat...We made the dreaded "Christine threads" disappear when asked, all we are asking is you guys do the same..... |
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Location: Austria, Vienna | With 59 is clear - clone it or not it is still Dodge CRL. But what is about when you buy 57 Adventurer vert and it is appeared to be modified Fireflite by the same shop? And it goes for resale on the Auctions without saying anything... This car I believe was sold again this year again as adventurer. I believe people must know what the car they buy and if seller lies we must help people to find out what is offered. I bought Miles car - also clone Super D 500 you remember it was on EBay for 100k. You remember red/white Super D500 clone owned before by Allen Faltus was sold at Auction at 130k. Minus costs, auction commission etc - what left to the seller. But that car was much nicer and at least color was correct. I also may be did not like when my D 500 58 vert was discussed there but I appreciate it. As an example I bought last year from one big dealership 58 eldo bearitz and when I put on Caddy forum for discussion members discovered that it was a clone from Seville. I brought this car back and they took immediately but of coz when I had a big lawyer on the back. So if car is being sold without correct description - than it is called fraud, misrepresentation and cheating. Especially when the price asked is so high it may be dangerous for the seller.
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | I would have to agree with you, parat11. It's just "freakin dishonest" to sell the car with the current description.
I can remember buying mine, and I figgered folks here might appreciate seeing a 59 Dodge Red Convertible--the seller had converted the car from a "Real Coronet Convertible" to "Almost A Custom Royal" It had all the trim, Steering Wheel, glove box trim, gears around the parking lights--etc etc.
It still needed the wider eyebrows and the interior.
I made the BIG MISTAKE, of calling the car a "Custom Royal" on this site (and I wasn't trying to sell it or anything) just show some pictures.
Well one Purist , in particular, jumped all over the car, even to the point of saying "The Car Speaks for itself"--------Nyuck Nyuck etc etc.
Strange World, We think it's perfectly ok to misdescribe the car for sale (and possibly double its price)
and even criticize those here that think something should be posted on Ebay.
Now Honestly, how many of you folks here, would pull such a stunt?? I can't think of anyone, myself.
It is in my best interest to let some poor buyer get scammed (It makes it look like my car may be worth more) (based on "Distored" recent sales prices) of "Not really "True" CRL Super D500 Dodge Convertibles.
I really don't care what mine is worth, however, as I bought it to drive!!!!
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$103,000+ and a little less than 3 hours to go! Reserve not met yet...
$122K with 2 1/2 hrs left....
Oh, i was outbid a long time ago... LOL
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | $151k with 55 mins left. . "0" rated New Bidder as well.............. LOL
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22070...
It could end around $180k ?????????????
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Location: Connecticut | To the seller's credit, he made the build sheet available so anyone interested could do their homework before placing a bid. 153K with less than 50 minutes to go. Wow ! Ron
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Yep He did Ron but it's not posted on Ebay.
I asked him this question after I rejoined Ebay, I don't know why the question does
not show up on questions under the car listing ????? but "here is the question"
I also have a 59 Dodge Convertible. The seller had converted the car from a Coronet Convertible to a Custom Royal Convertible--(He did mention it in the add I saw about the car).The seller also added power swingout seats, and even factory AC--complete with the pop-up dash vents. He also replaced the original 326 engine with a Big Block with two, Four barrel Carburetors, although He did not add the D 500 Decals to the engine, nor did He add the D 500 Emblems to the car.
I am wondering, if a car like mine, that was converted from a Coronet to a Custom Royal, and the accessories added, (and I add the D 500 emblems and engine decals,---- Will my car be worth as much as a car that "Left the Factory" as a True Custom Royal Super D500 Convertible with the accessories that I mentioned?
My wife curiously awaiths your answer----hmmmmm, I wonder why???
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Location: Connecticut | 1959Dodge - 2010-12-12 12:55 PM I am wondering, if a car like mine, that was converted from a Coronet to a Custom Royal, and the accessories added, (and I add the D 500 emblems and engine decals,---- Will my car be worth as much as a car that "Left the Factory" as a True Custom Royal Super D500 Convertible with the accessories that I mentioned? My wife curiously awaits your answer----hmmmmm, I wonder why??? Thanks!! Gary A car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In this hobby, there is no definitive value for any of these cars, since they're all different in terms of quality of restoration, originality, size of engine, demand at any particular time, etc. You establish how much you are willing to accept as payment for your car (based on what others have sold for, how much you have into it in terms of time and money, etc.). If a buyer is willing to pay your price, or if the buyer and seller are willing to compromise on a price, then the sale proceeds and NOW you know what your car is worth. Ron
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Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | ronbo97 - 2010-12-12 1:32 PM
1959Dodge - 2010-12-12 12:55 PM I am wondering, if a car like mine, that was converted from a Coronet to a Custom Royal, and the accessories added, (and I add the D 500 emblems and engine decals,---- Will my car be worth as much as a car that "Left the Factory" as a True Custom Royal Super D500 Convertible with the accessories that I mentioned? My wife curiously awaits your answer----hmmmmm, I wonder why??? Thanks!! Gary A car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In this hobby, there is no definitive value for any of these cars, since they're all different in terms of quality of restoration, originality, size of engine, demand at any particular time, etc. You establish how much you are willing to accept as payment for your car (based on what others have sold for, how much you have into it in terms of time and money, etc.). If a buyer is willing to pay your price, or if the buyer and seller are willing to compromise on a price, then the sale proceeds and NOW you know what your car is worth. Ron
Amen Ron
Again this guy said inspection is recommended so if you dont get the real story on the car its your fault.
Does it not being a factory car make it any less cost to do a restoration like this ?? NOPE
It probally cost more since you have to track down the options to restore them.
I would say this guy has alot of money in this project and I assume he wants to make a profit and if I had a extra 200k it would be in my garage. |
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Yep, I just posted that, as I thought it might make the seller (at least think) a little bit about his posting?
It's all "Academic" now as the car went to $175,200 and did not hit the reserve.
I did get a response to my Email from Bo who seems to be a very nice guy,
after all it was not his car that was up for sale, and He was probably hired by the
Svenska Seller to get "top value" for the car.
As said before, and will say it again, The forward look is such a valuable source as far as
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Location: Austria, Vienna | I can only say that market is recovering in US and falling in Sweden by looking at this auction.:) Sweeds put prices too high for those cars and now due to smaller size of country liquidity is poor and they need to sell back to US but the price GAP between US and Sweden is still too high. May be prices will correct to its fair value somewhere in between. |
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Location: Sweden | can only say that market is recovering in US and falling in Sweden by looking at this auction.:) Sweeds put prices too high for those cars and now due to smaller size of country liquidity is poor and they need to sell back to US but the price GAP between US and Sweden is still too high. May be prices will correct to its fair value somewhere in between. Well Max! You dont know whos bidding on this auction! It could be a Swede that was the highest bidder!:) |
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Location: Austria, Vienna | Yes possible. But the car is for sale for a long time. But I assume was advertised locally and all owners know each other. When there were sale it went to ebay.
By occupation I am a hedge fund manager and looking into this market for the last 3 years I discovered a lots of common things in financial commodity ( steel ) markets and classic auto market:)))
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Location: Big pimpin' | Everybody knows clones are where it's at nowadays...Nobody wants a car they can't drive and have fun with....This is why a "Tribute" car will quite possibly bring more than an original on the open market...Everybody here looked at the add and saw that this car was advertised as an original and it's clearly NOT..Why would we need to critique it any further? IF the person buying this thing wants to plunk down $200K, then let 'em...It is nobody's "Duty" here single or plural, to "Police the dumba$$" with too much money...You plunk down $200K and don't do your homeowrk, your an idiot plain and simple...I think there are some here that like to pick cars apart.. Has nothing to do with "Saving the potential buyer"...It's an excuse and nothing more.. |
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Location: Plymouth Spaceport | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-12-13 7:59 AM
I like to see cars get picked apart. It is educational and really gets a load of 3rd party observers
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Max has purchased a bunch of high dollar convertibles lately: they go on eBay with a very high $$$ price and no sale. The actually sell later at a much reduced price (still mighty high) - but off eBay.
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Location: somerville mass | no sale... good - when your ponying up that kind of cash.. it should have a genuine pedigree!! i'll admit it's
flawless, but a tribute.... even hemi cuda/road runner tributes arent reaching that kind of cash!!!
just wait and see what happens when and if it goes to auction..... i say 50 to 75 k - thats it!
peopke are bidding thinking its genuine and hes representing it as so... OR HE HAS TO REPOST AND CLEARLY STATE IT WAS A
CORONET TURNED INTO SUPER D-500 CUSTOM ROYAL.
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | The car was a Custom Royal Convertible from the factory, Steve, but a 361, not a D 500, much less a Super D 500. It was short on the "Goodies" too, Swingout seats, power seats, power windows , etc.
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The car was a Custom Royal Convertible from the factory, Steve, but a 361, not a D 500, much less a Super D 500. It was short on the "Goodies" too, Swingout seats, power seats, power windows , etc.
I do agree with you , it should have been made more clear that the accessories were added and it was converted to a Super D 500.
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Location: bishop, ca | Sorry, I've been gone for the weekend; Chaney, I was referring to your veiled threat to me, when you said, above here,
that I hadn't met up with anyone whose car I had "picked apart"....
Any car that's been "picked apart" (your term, not mine) has not been accurately (or legally) restored-or-advertised by its seller.
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Location: Big pimpin' | Jessica - 2010-12-10 4:52 PM
Neil,
It is one thing to discuss the "flaws" and pick apart a vehicle on this forum, and quite another to flag his listing, and set off warning signals on ebay that he is trying to "swindle" everyone. You make it seem as though people who buy cars are all stupid.
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Location: Connecticut | dukeboy - 2010-12-13 6:49 AM Everybody knows clones are where it's at nowadays...Nobody wants a car they can't drive and have fun with....This is why a "Tribute" car will quite possibly bring more than an original on the open market... Everybody knows that you can have fun with an old car, no matter what engine it has in it. Whether this car is a clone or numbers-matching, it got bid to 175 large because it's a quality restoration. We've seen plenty of 'clones' out there that look like crap. Most folks don't know much about our cars. One of the ways potential bidders can do their homework is by reading this board. Ron
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Location: Michigan | I (formerly) worked for the nations largest auto auction company. My job was to inspect, photograph and post online vehicles for sale to dealers across the country. It was VITAL that previous bodywork and every flaw was clearly documented and shown so the dealers knew exactly what they were buying. If thats appropriate for a 3 year old family car then its even more so for a rare classic.
A few years ago I was suffering from FL fever and growing tired of waiting for one to show up for sale in michigan. Not being the type of person who can fly around the country to inspect cars for sale I nearly bought a plymouth sight unseen off of Ebay. Then that car showed up in a thread on this website. The members of this board pointed out several problems that I had failed to notice and were not mentioned by the seller. Problems which later turned out to be true and even greater than had been theorized in the thread. Those comments saved a foolish FL newbie (me) thousands of dollars.
Even better, because I didn't purchase that particular car I was able to snag a 57 that turned up for sale not far away a few months later. This time I spent a good hour crawling in the dirt underneath it inspecting every inch using the knowledge gained from this site. The car I ended up getting was much nicer and much cheaper than the ebay car, and I owe it to the people on this forum.
Comments like "my d#%k has better taste than that guy" are funny but dont really help potential buyers. Whether a 1 of 17 top end model, a mild custom or a rusty (yet just as cool) sedan, YOUR informed opinions are a valuable part of any research that can be done when buying a classic FL car. When RESPECTFULLY voiced those opinions are important and can save future friends hassle, heartbreak and lots of cash. |
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I cannot grasp why some on this site want to shoulder such anger about honest critical assessments
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Location: Ny | ronbo97 - 2010-12-13 11:07 PM
dukeboy - 2010-12-13 6:49 AM Everybody knows clones are where it's at nowadays...Nobody wants a car they can't drive and have fun with....This is why a "Tribute" car will quite possibly bring more than an original on the open market... Everybody knows that you can have fun with an old car, no matter what engine it has in it. Whether this car is a clone or numbers-matching, it got bid to 175 large because it's a quality restoration. We've seen plenty of 'clones' out there that look like crap. Most folks don't know much about our cars. One of the ways potential bidders can do their homework is by reading this board. Ron
^^ THIS.
Doc, sometimes it seems as though it goes a tad beyond "honest critical assessment".
When I made my initial comment about not being our duty to butt in, I was not pointing fingers at specific persons on this thread. I don't think it is fair to verbally beat each other up over varying opinions. Neil and many others have an eye for detail that just isn't relevant to some. Sometimes I feel that it is a blind eye, and other times I really value the wealth of information their knowledge provides. I also don't think it is fair to assume that every seller on ebay is trying to swindle bidders. The entire point of Ebay is to make money-- that is obvious. This seller was open with the build sheet information to those who requested it. Just because he does not freely offer up the information, does not make him a shady person. A buyer who wishes to be informed, or has personal interest in pedigree, will ask the questions and do the research necessary to find out if this car meets that criteria.
Just like Ron stated above... this vehicle deserved to be highly bid on because of the quality of work. Not everyone is going to give a d*amn about factory correct details. Some want a great looking car that is, in their eyes, worth the money they are going to shell out-- and this means different things to different people.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Agreed.
But for 3rd parties to tell others to shut up is just plain wrong.
I, for one, want the education. 59 Dodge is my least liked of all FL cars, yet I still want to hear
what constitutes original vs. modified, and really appreciate those who have this in-depth knowledge
and choose to share it. This place would dry up and blow away if we all listened to the shut-uppers
and no longer "spewed forth" our collective knowledge.
Frankly, I could not give a F!CK about some clown trying to sell his car if he / she doesn't put ALL
their cards out on the table. All eBay sellers might not be swindlers, but far more are misleading in
their sales than have ever been on the buying side ! Saying they will provide further details upon
request is nothing short of hiding something. Give me a good reason for not just putting the infor-
mation out there in the first place. It wasn't like it saved time or typing. It is only to make people
work a little harder to get the facts, that is nothing but obfuscation in my book.
We have a clique here that goes around with a chip on their shoulder about anyone who puts out all
these factory details, yet anyone can clearly see that even if these "know-it-alls" SHARE this information,
they do not themselves live by such absolution, or expect anyone else to. It is offered in good faith as
simple information, no ill intent, take it or leave it. They accuse those who put out this information of creating
a negative environment. But this is hardly the case. It is within their own paradigm that this is negative
and by constantly demanding they quit offering this information, they, themselves create a genuine negative
environment that, if carried forth, would render this site to be of little of its current value.
Everyone has a right to speak their mind in a respectful manner. Telling others to silence themselves is
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1959 Dodge - This one's gonna be pricey...
