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Expert Posts: 4110 Location: Connecticut |
Blue 1959 Dodge convertible on ebay (Blue 59 Dodge conv.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Blue 59 Dodge conv.jpg (198KB - 222 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | ..........and then some. The word BEAUTIFUL doesn't even come close to describe this fine piece of rolling art. Amazing. (!B+NBO1!!mk~$(KGrHqV,!hUEzeRg6W9YBM-9phhTWg~~_3.jpg) (!B+NB(,!B2k~$(KGrHqN,!iEEzL)e4e-YBM-9prfhig~~_3.jpg) (!B+NBO1!!mk~$(KGrHqV,!hUEzeRg6W9YBM-9phhTWg~~_14.jpg) (!B+NBe+QBGk~$(KGrHqR,!lUEy+jCyZskBM-9p0gKqQ~~_3.jpg) (!B+NBilQ!2k~$(KGrHqZ,!iYEzNc0lssSBM-9p40DZ!~~_3.jpg) (!B+NBlrgCGk~$(KGrHqF,!ikEzNtBc(NcBM-9p8opV!~~_3.jpg) (!B+NBpnQBmk~$(KGrHqZ,!lcEy+jCzJ5oBM-9qBVRjg~~_3.jpg) (!B+NBt4QBWk~$(KGrHqJ,!h4EzLjJvMsSBM-9qGzGfQ~~_3.jpg) (!B+NBzvwCWk~$(KGrHqR,!h4EzL(s1ibjBM-9qOM,yg~~_3.jpg) (!B+NC!tgBWk~$(KGrHqR,!jgEzr-EqM+1BM-9qeZ6e!~~_3.jpg) (!B+NC)gQEGk~$(KGrHqJ,!ksEy+jCvweJBM-9rc2DG!~~_3.jpg) (!B+NCeeg!mk~$(KGrHqZ,!lkEy+jCzOeHBM-9rEc0zg~~_3.jpg) (!B+NCF+gBWk~$(KGrHqJ,!iwEzMsvUD!vBM-9qlQJ3!~~_3.jpg) (!B+NCL!w!Wk~$(KGrHqV,!jUEzKMBd-(3BM-9qrzhug~~_3.jpg) (!B+NCQVgBGk~$(KGrHqF,!h0EzLZUTCRiBM-9qym!Tg~~_3.jpg) (!B+NCjd!!Wk~$(KGrHqV,!iEEzLTcN8zTBM-9rK613g~~_3.jpg) (!B+NCop!BGk~$(KGrHqN,!hcEzd86rgwrBM-9rRgP2w~~_3.jpg) (!B+NCs7QB2k~$(KGrHqV,!l8Ey+jC2JuHBM-9r(G9O!~~_3.jpg) (!B+NCVkw!2k~$(KGrHqV,!i8EzN)NUWFpBM-9q45dVQ~~_3.jpg) (!B+NB32!BGk~$(KGrHqV,!jMEzKSvPTEJBM-9qTHwPw~~_3.jpg) Attachments ---------------- !B+NBO1!!mk~$(KGrHqV,!hUEzeRg6W9YBM-9phhTWg~~_3.jpg (95KB - 245 downloads) !B+NB(,!B2k~$(KGrHqN,!iEEzL)e4e-YBM-9prfhig~~_3.jpg (76KB - 213 downloads) !B+NBO1!!mk~$(KGrHqV,!hUEzeRg6W9YBM-9phhTWg~~_14.jpg (87KB - 203 downloads) !B+NBe+QBGk~$(KGrHqR,!lUEy+jCyZskBM-9p0gKqQ~~_3.jpg (71KB - 233 downloads) !B+NBilQ!2k~$(KGrHqZ,!iYEzNc0lssSBM-9p40DZ!~~_3.jpg (57KB - 213 downloads) !B+NBlrgCGk~$(KGrHqF,!ikEzNtBc(NcBM-9p8opV!~~_3.jpg (66KB - 223 downloads) !B+NBpnQBmk~$(KGrHqZ,!lcEy+jCzJ5oBM-9qBVRjg~~_3.jpg (33KB - 208 downloads) !B+NBt4QBWk~$(KGrHqJ,!h4EzLjJvMsSBM-9qGzGfQ~~_3.jpg (68KB - 207 downloads) !B+NBzvwCWk~$(KGrHqR,!h4EzL(s1ibjBM-9qOM,yg~~_3.jpg (55KB - 216 downloads) !B+NC!tgBWk~$(KGrHqR,!jgEzr-EqM+1BM-9qeZ6e!~~_3.jpg (64KB - 226 downloads) !B+NC)gQEGk~$(KGrHqJ,!ksEy+jCvweJBM-9rc2DG!~~_3.jpg (64KB - 205 downloads) !B+NCeeg!mk~$(KGrHqZ,!lkEy+jCzOeHBM-9rEc0zg~~_3.jpg (76KB - 209 downloads) !B+NCF+gBWk~$(KGrHqJ,!iwEzMsvUD!vBM-9qlQJ3!~~_3.jpg (86KB - 217 downloads) !B+NCL!w!Wk~$(KGrHqV,!jUEzKMBd-(3BM-9qrzhug~~_3.jpg (88KB - 212 downloads) !B+NCQVgBGk~$(KGrHqF,!h0EzLZUTCRiBM-9qym!Tg~~_3.jpg (89KB - 204 downloads) !B+NCjd!!Wk~$(KGrHqV,!iEEzLTcN8zTBM-9rK613g~~_3.jpg (78KB - 202 downloads) !B+NCop!BGk~$(KGrHqN,!hcEzd86rgwrBM-9rRgP2w~~_3.jpg (79KB - 226 downloads) !B+NCs7QB2k~$(KGrHqV,!l8Ey+jC2JuHBM-9r(G9O!~~_3.jpg (57KB - 194 downloads) !B+NCVkw!2k~$(KGrHqV,!i8EzN)NUWFpBM-9q45dVQ~~_3.jpg (76KB - 210 downloads) !B+NB32!BGk~$(KGrHqV,!jMEzKSvPTEJBM-9qTHwPw~~_3.jpg (27KB - 217 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7210 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Ohhhhhhhhh man, I love the color combo on this. | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | OH HELL YESsssssssss... Now that is the ONE... Best i go check my Lottery Ticket. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | That'sa beaute, for sure. Any guesses as to what it will go for? Wonder if it started out life as a "Super D 500"? I was told that the "Only" Dash pad colour available was black, is that true? I hope She makes her way back to the US (even if she is/will be a "trailer Queen" Gary | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | From reading the ad, it appears as though the D500 option might have been added, amongst others. I asked for pics of the cowl tag and VIN plate, and I'll post them here and let the experts decode them. Then, we will know. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Thanks hemidave. I'm having SEVERE withdrawal symptons from mine being in the shop Gary | ||
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Expert Posts: 3588 Location: Plymouth Spaceport | This Dodge is stunning! I love the colors,and the interior is beautiful. You'd have to have deep pockets for this one. | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | 1959Dodge - 2010-12-07 5:19 AM Thanks hemidave. I'm having SEVERE withdrawal symptons from mine being in the shop Gary *************************** Here's your chance to pick up a spare for "back up" ! | ||
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Veteran Posts: 254 Location: Austria, Vienna | Two comments. This car have been offered at 220 000 USD. I would check ten times everything on that car as many options might be added and not be original. | ||
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Location: The Mile High City | I agree with Max - if the build sheet shows all of those goodies on the car from the factory, maybe $220,000 could be (hack...cough...sputter) reasonable. If this is a tribute car, the fair price could be half that! Especially if it was not a Super D500 or a Custom Royal to begin with. Edited by Lancer Mike 2010-12-06 3:14 PM | ||
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Location: The Mile High City | If it did have all of those options from the factory, it might be the most loaded '59 Dodge I have ever seen! ...hmmm it does need air conditioning! | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | So the Owner is BO in Arizona, Who has Restored many Cars before.. | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | I just received a pic of the buildsheet. For some reason, I can't copy and paste it to a reply here. Any suggestions? I sent it to Mike, so he may post it shortly. | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Quote from Seller Thank you! The -59 Dodge is a beautiful car, I agree. In the -80's when you could still find them for sale I had 5 convertibles and I restored them all. Two were red/white, two were tutone pink and coral and I did one in tutone green, my favorite color combo. Today I could not afford one if I found one for sale. The last one I found, about one year ago, a totally unrestored car needing restoration went for almost $100.000! I do own 2 1958 Dodge convertibles and about 20 years ago I installed 59 quarterpanels on one of them. I could not make up my mind whether to restore the car as a 59 "clone" or redo it as a 58 but 2 months ago I dusted it off the car and got going on it again and I will do it as a 59 since I already have a 58. At one point I owned almost 200 1957-61 Mopars and I still have parts cars to use in the restoration of that convertible so it will be relativly easy to build the car. Regards Bo. | ||
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Expert Posts: 3490 Location: Montreal, Canada | So, if I understand correctly, he will turn a rare, genuine 1958 Dodge convertible into a 1959 clone, because he already has another '58????? | ||
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Expert Posts: 3588 Location: Plymouth Spaceport | soiouz - 2010-12-06 4:20 PM So, if I understand correctly, he will turn a rare, genuine 1958 Dodge convertible into a 1959 clone, because he already has another '58????? :wince: Pretty scary | ||
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Expert Posts: 4110 Location: Connecticut | I know Bo and have sold him a number of 59 Dodge parts for his convertibles. Apparently, the car is in Sweden and he's selling it for the owner. Changing the 58 to a 59 is kinda crazy, IMHO. Car will reach around 100K, then stall. I think this guy is just looking to establish a value or to let folks know it's available. After the car doesn't sell, someone will contact him and make an offer. So he will save ebay Final Value fees. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Interesting! Aivar's Red & White Convertible (Now Börje's), did not belong to Bo, Aivar did have Bo do some of the restoration, but as I recall, Aivar finished it. So maybe there are 3 red & white ones running around? Gary | ||
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Expert Posts: 4110 Location: Connecticut | 1959Dodge - 2010-12-06 6:22 PM Interesting! Aivar's Red & White Convertible (Now Börje's), did not belong to Bo, Aivar did have Bo do some of the restoration, but as I recall, Aivar finished it. So maybe there are 3 red & white ones running around? Gary Aivar's car was found by Bo in Oregon, purchased by Aivar and restored by Bo (source: MCG - Sept '94). Ron | ||
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Expert Posts: 4110 Location: Connecticut | Dave sent me the build sheet. Here's the deal:
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | So the car was originally a 361 Ron? (IE, not a D 500), No power seats, or swingout, or power windows? Personally, I like the car better, as it is now, as I do mine, which originally was an all white Coronet Convertible with a blue top and most likely a 326. Thanks for the info Ron. By the way, is yours a True D500, (I seem to recall it is)---but I don't brag anymore about my recall abilities! Gary | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Rebels-59 Coronet - 2010-12-07 1:04 PM Quote from Seller I do own 2 1958 Dodge convertibles and about 20 years ago I installed 59 quarterpanels on one of them. I could not make up my mind whether to restore the car as a 59 "clone" or redo it as a 58 but 2 months ago I dusted it off the car and got going on it again and I will do it as a 59 since I already have a 58. . $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Why not make that almost IMPOSSIBLE 58 Dodge ragtop into another 57 Chevy ? I could puke ! | ||
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Expert Posts: 4110 Location: Connecticut | 1959Dodge - 2010-12-06 8:45 PM So the car was originally a 361 Ron? (IE, not a D 500), No power seats, or swingout, or power windows? Personally, I like the car better, as it is now, as I do mine, which originally was an all white Coronet Convertible with a blue top and most likely a 326. Thanks for the info Ron. By the way, is yours a True D500, (I seem to recall it is)---but I don't brag anymore about my recall abilities! Gary :stressed: That's correct. None of those options were originally on the car. This resto is one of the best I've seen, especially considering the car was really rough to begin with. In my 59 Dodge convertible database, it says that this car was a 'butchered' car ! My conv started life with a 326. When finished, it will have...a 326. Ron | ||
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Well that shows how lousy my memory is, somehow I got the idea your car was a Custom Royal Convertible which of course would have had a 361? Am I right in assuming it is a Coronet? Gary (PS, not sure I wanna see what your data base says bout mine) LOL Edited by 1959Dodge 2010-12-06 10:30 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 4110 Location: Connecticut | 1959Dodge - 2010-12-06 10:28 PM Well that shows how lousy my memory is, somehow I got the idea your car was a Custom Royal Convertible which of course would have had a 361? Am I right in assuming it is a Coronet? Gary (PS, not sure I wanna see what your data base says bout mine) LOL Yep. It's a Coronet. Your car: white Coronet conv with a blue top. Blue interior. Sold in the Philadelphia area. | ||
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Location: Bjorneborg, Finland | This '59 was restored well-known Swedish restorer and Mopar repro parts producer, T.Fredriksson, in the '90s (I know he owns an outstanding '58 DeSoto Adventurer Conv.). The car was featured in Power Magazine (Swedish) 4/1997. The article says lot of effort was spent, because it had a D-500 (no mention if it was equipped so when new). He already had lot of NOS parts in stock. Most of the options listed what the car has now, "naturally" (that was the word they used) even power windows and seat.. and also can be mentioned swivel-seat. (bluediamond.jpg) Attachments ---------------- bluediamond.jpg (48KB - 197 downloads) | ||
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Location: The Mile High City | Hi Dave - I was so busy with Josh McDaniels firing that I did not post your picture. It looks like Ron already deciphered it. (59 CRL build sheet.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 59 CRL build sheet.JPG (51KB - 191 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | For kicks, I asked what it would take for someone to buy it right now........I was told... "over" 200K | ||
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Location: The Mile High City | Yeah, I think the old car market is getting more persnickety about litigation, value, and originality. Since prices have gone through the roof, buyers and sellers have to be aware of full disclosure if a vehicle is different from the build sheet. When that type of money is on the line, attorneys may have a field day if anything is not up to snuff. | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | You're right Mike. It's one thing to pay a reasonable price for a real conv, plus add for desirable options, but not pay the price of a real D500 with those options. Would a real one so equipped be worth that much? I know it might depend on personal tastes. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | somebody ought to post on Ebay, what the car is? , or at least ask what the car was? You are "Right On Target" with your comment here, Mike, If this is a tribute car, the fair price could be half that! Especially if it was not a Super D500 or a Custom Royal to begin with. I recall the red and white one was temporaily pulled from ebay whilst the seller wrote a more accurate description. What ya thinks, Just let some "Rich Succer" get burned or------ Gary | ||
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Expert Posts: 4110 Location: Connecticut | Lancer Mike - 2010-12-07 7:10 PM Yeah, I think the old car market is getting more persnickety about litigation, value, and originality. Since prices have gone through the roof, buyers and sellers have to be aware of full disclosure if a vehicle is different from the build sheet. When that type of money is on the line, attorneys may have a field day if anything is not up to snuff. That's why folks selling cars on ebay and elsewhere add the disclaimer, 'car is sold as is, where is'. This blanket statement will make it near impossible for a buyer to claim something isn't correct or up to snuff. Ron | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | This was a very early-built car, too! Shoulda stayed OEM, dammit...maybe the new owner will retro-fit it back to original, uh-huh, on 4/1/11 ! And Ron, that's why this Board is such an invaluable public service, regarding cars that are being advertised 4-sale.... Edited by d500neil 2010-12-07 9:50 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Well , I guess we'll just let it "play out", The potential buyers of the red and white 59 got lucky, cause both Aivar and Börje decided to take an "Active Approach" on the somwhat misleading (Original) description of that car, alto had people read the questions asked, they would have known that (that car was also originally a 361) and not a "True D 500", much less a "Super D 500. I debated painting the new engine silver, and painting the valve covers red, and get the D 500 Emblems. But I like the red paint and the chrome valve covers better (Personal Preference) so that's what it will be. Not all of us enjoy a White "Semi Stripper Model", and I bought mine to drive and enjoy, so there is no way in "Bishop" that this car will go back to a white Coronet, with a bench seat, No AC etc etc---long as I'm around!@!!! Gary | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Yeah, but if you had two of them, you could cut one up and make a camper or something out of it ! The old car scene is "growing" (if you can call it that). Everyone has been bellyaching for years about these cars not getting recognition, and it was warned "be careful what you ask for ... ". Well, now we get to enjoy the fruits of such recognition, like cars being unaffordable to many hobbyists and a constant wrangling over ethics between those who probably would have preferred these remain $1000- cars and those who want to use them as a tool to get rich. I never wanted my car to be worth anything. Its "value" was in the "art" of rolling sculpture. I never worried about leaving it parked somewhere. People noticed, but no money was involved. Now I will be concerned about theft of theft of parts and the whole she-bang is no longer a care-free pleasure of just driving a neat old car. Imagine taking this Dodge and doing a cross-country road trip and leaving it parked on some dead-end mountain road while you go hike along the coast for a couple days. You'd come back to find it gone or missing parts. Pretty sad. My greatest joy with old cars like these was just seeing them going down the road, at the grocery store, at the movie theatre. Looks like that experience is becoming a thing of the past. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Hope not, Doc, but I suspects my 59 is the most driven 59 vert and maybe even the most driven 59 Dodge. It's been a good six years for me and the car. Too bad there aren't more like you, Doc, that don't like 59 Dodges then I would hafta worrry about somebody messing with it!!!! Gary | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | If I found it, I might chop it up and make a 58 out of it ! | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1053 Location: Ny | I don't think it's anybody's "duty" to butt in and "warn" someone that this is not a true D500 car. If someone is willing to spend 200K+ on the vehicle, it is going to be because they love the way it looks, not because they're convinced that it is a real D500. I think that if any of them were concerned about purchasing a real Super D500 car, they would have the common sense to ask the very questions that have been posted here, and asked the seller for the vital information pertaining to it's build specs. Then again, perhaps they have more money than brain power... but either way, they are getting a VERY nice car. | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | I could not agree with you more, Jessica. However, there is more at play here than just that. Those who post all the "science" about what makes a verifiable factory-built car operate from a paradigm of "safety". Kinda like those people who keep Jesus in their back pocket, it is just a mentality of finding a "safe" place in an otherwise uncertain world. I do not fault anyone for being this way. In fact, I benefit GREATLY from the vast stores of knowledge put forth by these folks. So, in my mind, I win either way we look at it. But you are right, it is the job of no one but the buyer to research the product before getting the wallet out. It is the responsibility of no third party to own the actions of said buyer, no matter how much that third party may feel they are "doing good" by making the facts known. The buyer can take such advisement or leave it. And like you said, maybe money comes easier to some than a car like this and they would be perfectly happy driving it at 200K whether or not it left the factory in the present condition. That is the buyer's choice. They may find it a challenge to get that money back out of such a car when it comes time to sell, but maybe maybe that just isn't an issue for that buyer. They want the car they see and that's the end of their concern on the subject. Where we all lose is when these cars become so expensive - prices driven up by people for whom money is no object - that they vanish from accessibility for the common folk who just love them for the cars they are. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush ? Well, a 59 Dodge ragtop on the open road is worth ten in a museum ! | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 636 | 1959Dodge - 2010-12-07 10:43 PM I suspects my 59 is the most driven 59 vert and maybe even the most driven 59 Dodge. Whenever I am in OC, it seems I see Gary in his '59 at least once in passing, cruising around near Cal State Fullerton, Imperial Blvd. or the 57 or 91 Fwys., always with the top down and going as fast as possible without actually getting pulled over. I'll be out there over New Year's, will the engine be road ready by then? Sparky | ||
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Yep, it should be done before Christmas. We will have to take a little cruise to breakup xxx er "Break In" the new motor. Look forward to seeing you then! Gary | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | So, your opinion, Jessica, is that if a person has no way of learning what makes a car a 'real' Original Equipment manufacturer model, that is OK with you? This message board concerns cars that are trying to be sold, by a person who presumably is trying to obtain as much money as possible for his car. If that person misrepresents the car's condition, equipment, or model-type, it is perfectly alright for the readers of this message board to become educated about what is right, or wrong, about that car, in my opinion. If an educated person wants to spend big-bux on a car, after he learns or knows about the car's true heritage and history, that is his business. If someone wants to try to get big-bux by mis-representing his car, he and his car are fair-game, on this message board, to be discussed and evaluated. Edited by d500neil 2010-12-09 8:07 PM | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1060 Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | So how is this guy pullin the wool on anyone? Did I read it wrong or did he not say a personal inspections are welcome and recomended. Now if I was spending 200k on a car I would be checking it out. but again it would not matter to me if it left that factory that way or not. It Awesome!!! I don't see anything wrong in how this is advertised. I was always told if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | you both have a valid point .... and this where the wires get crossed ..... you both have different definitions of what defines "a duck". For the "safety" minded person, that duck is what rolled out of the factory and holds a paper pedigree. For others, "the duck" is what they see before them. No pedigree required. Recognizing there are different paradigms in operation on a single subject makes this situation easy to understand. Not easy to find any resolution between the two, but easy to understand. | ||
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Location: The Mile High City | The real "no-no" is to make one model from another. That does not appear to be the case here. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 467 Location: Sweden | I would never hesitate to add options to a car i own myself. Why would i have a car with manual Windows and seats when i can add the power options during my ownership? And if that would decrease the value of the car, so may be it! | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13066 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | What! does the car loose value for added options? That means that I'll soon have to pay to get rid of mine Edited by wizard 2010-12-10 4:02 PM | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | What they're saying, Wiz, is that an original condition, unmolested car (a Survivor) would be more valuable than one which has been arbitrarily painted red, has a non-correct velour interior, has a chromed-chainlink steering wheel and 20" Bling wheels (or derivations/combinations of the above alterations on it). | ||
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