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Location: bountiful, Utah | This weekend there is going to be a 58 Plymouth Convertible auctioned at 776 W. Vine St. Tooele, Utah by Wilbur Auctions (WWW.wilburauction.com) Their phone number is 541-430-2689.
I have seen the car and it appears to be a very solid car with some very old rust repair in the rear quarters. The car is black,(its original color) and has an 80's style velour interior but was originally black and white. It is a factory 350 car and is running at this time. Aparently the owner died and his widow is selling it and a 59 Cad coupe and other cars this weekend.
If you go to www.wilburauction.com there are supposed to be photos of it. This is the only FL car they have, but it is a very good one.
Tooele is about 30 miles west of Salt Lake and is about 15 miles west of the Salt Lake airport. Here is your chance!
Oh, by the way, I have no involvement with the car, the owner or the auction company. The car was at the big Thanksgiving Point car show and swap meet and attracted a lot of positive attention.
It is supposed to be in the high 80's this weekend. You all ought to come over and enjoy.
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Location: Connecticut | I'm 90% sure that this car came up for sale a few years ago. IIRC, the widow twisted the arm of her dying husband until he signed the car over to her. At the time this car first came up for sale, she was asking way too much. She was not a nice person, according to my sources.
There is a thread on this car buried somewhere in the archives. It's an Oregon car.
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| This car was on Craigslist for 40,000 on Craigslist I went to offer her she was horrible I was soon kicked off her property for not knowing anything about plymouths I offered her an amount I thought it was worth. |
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Location: Kansas City, Kansas | Same car?
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=32939&... belvedere convertible oregon black&highlightmode=1#M243981
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Location: Harrison, NY | Yeah I believe that car was being brokered by several People for that crazy Woman over the past couple of years. The last person who had it was "Classic Car Guy's" in Calif and was trying to get $39K. They tried to pass it off as an orig factory L350 and I believe Folk's here and myself proved differently. I personally ordered the paper from CHS and the IBI Card stated a 318. I offered $28K and they said no even though I showed them it was a 318 car. Nice car for an older resto, although it did have rust issue's in the past.
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| I offered 30k and was literally kicked off the property! |
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| Christine'sRevenge - 2012-05-29 6:24 PM
Yeah I believe that car was being brokered by several People for that crazy Woman over the past couple of years. The last person who had it was "Classic Car Guy's" in Calif and was trying to get $39K. They tried to pass it off as an orig factory L350 and I believe Folk's here and myself proved differently. I personally ordered the paper from CHS and the IBI Card stated a 318. I offered $28K and they said no even though I showed them it was a 318 car. Nice car for an older resto, although it did have rust issue's in the past.
Joe C NY
Joe, did you get the paperwork from CHS without a title in your name ??? |
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | It went down to $32K at one time. |
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Location: bountiful, Utah | The auction firm told me that the widow was ready to sell and that they thought it would bring around 20,000. they even called her to get some answers for me about the original color of the interior. It is my understanding that it is a no reserve auction. I will be there this Saturday and will report the outcome. |
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Location: Harrison, NY | hemidave - 2012-05-29 7:29 PM
Christine'sRevenge - 2012-05-29 6:24 PM
Yeah I believe that car was being brokered by several People for that crazy Woman over the past couple of years. The last person who had it was "Classic Car Guy's" in Calif and was trying to get $39K. They tried to pass it off as an orig factory L350 and I believe Folk's here and myself proved differently. I personally asked "Max" to order the paper from CHS and the IBI Card stated a 318. I offered $28K and they said no even though I showed them it was a 318 car. Nice car for an older resto, although it did have rust issue's in the past.
Joe C NY
Joe, did you get the paperwork from CHS without a title in your name ???
Hi Dave,
The gentleman "Max" that was orid selling the car bought the paperwork at my request as we were working on a deal at $35K however he sent me a copy of the Title, The CHS Paperwork including the IBI card. The CHS paperwork had the same VIN as the pic of the VIN on the car which also matched the title. The Car was a 318. Sorry for the confusion. Once the car came back as a 318, I lowered my offer to $28K which Max said NO!! |
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Location: Harrison, NY | scooter0910 - 2012-05-30 12:20 AM
The auction firm told me that the widow was ready to sell and that they thought it would bring around 20,000. they even called her to get some answers for me about the original color of the interior. It is my understanding that it is a no reserve auction. I will be there this Saturday and will report the outcome.
Will you be purchasing the car at a good price or just going to watch? If you are not buying, maybe I can buy it if it's right? Please let me know. Thanks, Joe |
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Location: bountiful, Utah | I am just going to watch. Please feel free to bid away. I have too many cars that require my attention now |
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | Where did he get all those wonderful toys? |
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Location: bountiful, Utah | The car sold today for 20,500, to a nice guy from Colorado. i gave him the FL website info and also Mike S and John Q's info. He was very excited to get the car! |
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| Bet the old bat wish she sold it to me know  |
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Location: Harrison, NY | Yeah me too... Greedy People never win in the end. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Too Bad. |
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| I almost want to call but that she may get on her broom and vandalize my cars !
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Location: The Mile High City | scooter0910 - 2012-06-02 12:54 PM
The car sold today for 20,500, to a nice guy from Colorado. i gave him the FL website info and also Mike S and John Q's info. He was very excited to get the car!
Another FL convertible in Colorado! Excellent! Great price. |
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Location: lakeview, ny 14085 | offered 30k and was literally kicked off the property!
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| Howdy Fellas, I am the "nice" guy from Colorado that is the new proud owner of the 58!.....it wasn't my plan to come home with the Belvedere, but sometimes cars find you, you do not find them. This is my first FL driver. For years I have always been a 59/60 GM guy, but really started coming over to the dark side when I helped a buddy a few years back pickup a 57 300. At that moment I started to "see the light" and wisdom of Virgil Exner and that Harley Earl did not have the market cornered on fins.
Anyway, this car really has me jazzed and would really appreciate all the intel I can glean from you experts. I found a website that was a starting point on decoding the VIN and cowl tag, BUT since my cowl tab was on the drivers side, not passenger side, there was no information. From above: The CHS Paperwork including the IBI card....I would really really appreciate getting this info. If there was cost to this, I will happily reimburse, or just point me in the right direction and I will get again.
Very interesting that it was supposed to have a 318. The people involved in the car swore up and down that the 350 was the original motor, but it has a single 4 barrel? I actually have a 58 parts car that has a 318 with a 4 barrel....was the VIN also on the engine block? If it had a 2X4 setup originally, would that be denoted on the tags/paperwork? Or how about power brakes?
I have contacted SMS and they repo the door/quarter panels and seats. They sent me a picture and they look great. I was concerned because it looks like there is some stainless steel bead molding on the door panels that I do not have, but they said that they can supply that as well????? Maybe they are not special SS moldings?
VIN: LPZE 58363
Cowl Tag: LP 55E 7079
The steering wheel is black and white, so I am guessing that the interior and door panels was black and white?
Looking forward to learning about the car, Thanks
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Location: Sept. 1958 | Congrats on you new purchase! The body tag won't tell you anything about your cars options if built in Evansville, like in your case. Your VIN should read LP2E58363. You can get a copy of the IBM built sheet from Chrysler Historical for your car, information can be found in the forums regarding VIN and tag information. 350s are uncommon in convertibles, and they were all built with dual quads. 318s for 58 Belvederes were either single 2 bbl or single 4 bbl. No VIN is on the engine. The door panels should have mylar strips along the top. |
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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia ! | Well done on yer purchase. A decade ago, I had alomst the twin to yours. 318, black, white top, no wings, inserts, etc. Only at the time, mine was the ONLY surviving factory 'stick' convt. |
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| Thanks for the info. First step is to get the IBM build sheet. That stick convertible must have been something!
Door panel from SMS and note:
This should be the panel you need. We can make pieces that look like the moldings on the lower panels. You won't need to find any.
Doug
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| I am looking forward to seeing the IBM build sheet to find out the original interior color combo.
to order build card;
http://wpchryslermuseum.org/page.aspx?pid=400
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Location: The Mile High City | Nice job, Ken - I think you made a great deal on a rare convertible!  |
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| Thanks mike, see your in Denver, have to touch base at some point. Just out driving the car last night, enjoying it. Will order the build sheet in the next couple days for grins. |
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| My plan is to leave the car as a driver, but at somepoint it deserves a real restoration. |
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Location: Connecticut | It would be great to see some up to date photos. Engine, exterior, interior, etc.
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Location: The Mile High City | Sounds good, Ken -
Check out the Forward Look Rocky Mountain Region at
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=50
There are a bunch of images of cars in our area and some general discussion about meets and repair, etc.
Post a thread down there, folks would love too see more of your cars! |
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| Thanks for the denver connection. When I get more time I will try to get some pictures posted thanks |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Can't wait to see it too! I have a bead on a 58 Plym convert east of Denver that I have to pursue now that my 59 is almost done. Keep in touch. We have a Mopar show on August 11th at SouthGlenn Mall in Centennial, Colo or we can see it at the Golden Cruise the first Saturday of each month. (like tomorrow!, 7-7)
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Location: bishop, ca | Welcome to the 'club', Ken!
Mike, et al, in CO will take care of you and yours.
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| Thanks, appreciate the info. I am really enjoying driving the belvedere! |
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| Has anyone out there bought a set of SMS door panels, or seat interior kits? Thanks. |
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Location: Blythewood, SC | Lots of people here have been very happy with the quality of SMS. They are slow though. Don't order when you are in a rush. |
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| Thanks appreciate the intel.Need to get that build sheet ordered! |
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| SMS did the door panels on my 62 Dodge. This was in 1994 or 1995. At the time they didn't have a pattern and they said send your old panels and we'll match them. I sent them and they matched them perfectly. Here it is 17 years later and they are still perfect |
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| Looks like I am going to be selling the 1958 Belvedere convertible.....Awesome car and drives great, but thought I could let one of my other ones go, but just cant do it. The car is exactly as it was at the auction, just driven it some this summer and enjoyed it. Looks like "Christines Revenge" and "1958 Plymouth Infina" tried to buy the car and couldn't......if you are still interested, send me a note and we can discuss it! Thanks Ken
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | 56newyorker - 2012-08-20 5:33 PM
Looks like I am going to be selling the 1958 Belvedere convertible.....Awesome car and drives great, but thought I could let one of my other ones go, but just cant do it. The car is exactly as it was at the auction, just driven it some this summer and enjoyed it. Looks like "Christines Revenge" and "1958 Plymouth Infina" tried to buy the car and couldn't......if you are still interested, send me a note and we can discuss it! Thanks Ken
Bummer! I was hoping to have one more FL floating around the Denver area. I hope someone here in town buys it or at least a fellow FL Member to enjoy! |
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| I know how it is when you miss out on a car, so I figure a couple of the FL members that wanted the car is the best place to start. |
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | If it does not sell, You can store it over at my place in Arvada! LOL |
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Location: Bay Area, California | nowhere near 39k. keep dreaming in this economy!! |
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Location: The Mile High City | Hold on to it, Ken! Over the course of the winter, you might gather up the strength to part with that other treasure!
Send me an e-mail or a personal message, Ken. I would like to go out and at least look before it sells to some distant land...
Edited by Lancer Mike 2012-08-23 10:00 PM
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Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Yes me too! Mike and I would love to meet you and see your car! |
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Problem is, Mike and John, that "Dern Bellybuttonitis" tends to be a "Chronic Disorder".
Those that have it seem to keep having "Relapses".
Best thing is to Push a couple buttons, turn the steering wheel on the Plymouth
take her out and really drive her----this should lessen the effects from the "Above Mentioned Malody".
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| Sounds Good for seeing the car! I am traveling to business right now, but will be back this Saturday, possibly Sunday. I will send you a private message. Thanks Ken |
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| Also, posted above: "no where near 39K, keep dreaming in this economy!" I read this, and to me, it implies that that is what I am asking for the car............ ABSOLUTELY NOT! Much, much less! I am not into the whole world knowing what things buy and sell for. If I sell the car as a private transaction in the next couple days, and the new owner wants to tell the world what he paid for the car, that is his business. Obviously, if I "advertise" the car, I will happily post the price............ |
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Location: The Mile High City | Fantastic, Ken -
John and I will plan on it. Maybe we can get Ray or Stanford to join in... |
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