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Ron
Posted 2011-04-15 11:35 AM (#268610)
Subject: AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT RACED MOPAR'S IN THE 1950'S?



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I started drag racing in 1957, I owned a 56 Plymouth Fury. All my friends had Fords and Chevy's I was the only guy with a Plymouth. What ever they did their cars, I did to my Plymouth Fury. Special tires, rear end change, distributor curve changed, re jetted carburetor, super tune, hotter coil, boosted line pressure in my Powerflight, etc, etc, etc. Before long they stopped making fun of my lonely Plymouth and started respecting it because I was blowing their doors off on the drag strip every single week.
Did any other guys on the list drag race Mopars in the 50's and 60's?????? If you did, let's see some photos not just stories!!!!!

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phurious
Posted 2011-04-15 11:44 AM (#268612 - in reply to #268610)
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Hey Ron, She's a legend alright! Looking forward to seeing you in July...
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Shep
Posted 2011-04-15 1:31 PM (#268625 - in reply to #268612)
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Posted 2011-04-15 2:33 PM (#268635 - in reply to #268610)
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Dave, I hope I am not being too nosy but after reading some of your posts I can tell you are no neophyte, Were you in stock or S/S? ,what was the name of your car? Are you Wren or Boertmann(sp) ?

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Posted 2011-04-15 7:55 PM (#268653 - in reply to #268635)
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Domini and Shepherd on the door, white and blue, ran A/SA, and with a crossram Hemi and aluminum ft end in SS/BA, 10.50's on 10.5 tires, the wedge was faster in stock elimnator, ended up going 11.0's at 122 on 9" tires, legal stock engine @ 3408 lbs, no driver.
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Posted 2011-04-16 1:46 AM (#268687 - in reply to #268610)
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Very cool Dave, thanks for replying on this. Do you still follow the stock and S/S classes? I am sure I will have some crossramhemi tuning questions for you as the weather warms up, still the same carbs as back then, now. Did you run carters on the wedge?
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Posted 2011-04-16 7:16 AM (#268701 - in reply to #268687)
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The Hemi had the 780 Holleys, the wedge ran the large Carters, both were stock carbs on the respective engines.
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Posted 2011-04-16 11:57 AM (#268740 - in reply to #268610)
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You're not the only one that raced Mopars in the '50's...your just the last one left.....
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Posted 2011-04-16 2:25 PM (#268757 - in reply to #268610)
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I didn't do anything on a drag strip until the summer of 1960 and ended formal drag racing in 1961 when a doggy green Savoy 2-dr post really humiliated me on drag strip called Continental Divide Raceway in Castle Rock, Colorado. He was on his way to the NHRA Nats in Indianopolis and really had a great car -- 4.56 gears, tuned exhaust headers, short "long" rams, "cheater" slicks, and a properly adjusted TorqueFlite. I think I lost by 10 or 15 car lengths at least. My car was a '60 Fury with the 383 SonoRamic Commando and in 1960 it ran in S/SA, but fell to A/SA in 1961, with no modifications other than Hedman Hedders and 4.10 gears -- I even had street tires..
Things were very primitive out here in Colorado then as we still had flagmen and once I even ran at an airport when it was closed down to General Aviation for a couple of hours one Sunday afternoon. In the stock classes it was mostly a case of every day cars and "you run what you brung and you hope you brung enough."
After that Savoy did that number on me, I stayed off strips but I would hardly ever pass on a challenge at a stop light.
I traded that '60 Fury for a '65 Sport Fury with the 365 horse 426-Street engine and a 4-speed. Took delivery at about 1:00 PM on Saturday, Nov. 21, 1965 and at 8:00 or so that night gobbled up a '65 Goat (the most over-rated muscle car of all time!) on Main Street. The '65 was replaced by a '67 R/T (375 HP/440 CID mill and 4-speed). Those MoPars with the 440 CIDd were probably the greatest street racing cars of the era -- plenty of torque and easy to keep in tune.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-04-17 7:12 AM (#268848 - in reply to #268757)
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I know a guy who ran factory sponsored Mopars from 1957 to 64. The kicker is, he kept his cars !
Not only that, He bought all his competitors cars when they retired them ! His collection is awesome
and his stories are awesomer !!!!
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Posted 2011-04-17 11:35 AM (#268878 - in reply to #268848)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-17 7:12 AM

I know a guy who ran factory sponsored Mopars from 1957 to 64. The kicker is, he kept his cars !
Not only that, He bought all his competitors cars when they retired them ! His collection is awesome
and his stories are awesomer !!!!



The factory didn't sponsor cars until '61 . . .


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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-04-17 1:29 PM (#268885 - in reply to #268878)
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Perhaps the earlier ones were not sent from Mother Mopar?

A real recluse, had I not driven up in my Coronet, he would have never even talked to me.
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Posted 2011-04-17 3:59 PM (#268905 - in reply to #268757)
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Sonoramic60 - 2011-04-16 2:25 PM

I didn't do anything on a drag strip until the summer of 1960 a


so you're in the club. technically (style wise anyway) 1960 belongs to the 1950s since you start counting with 1 and not zero in my book the fifties ended in 1961 when the UGLY, U-G-L-Y mopar B bodys apeared and the REAL rock n roll began to fade...
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Posted 2011-04-17 8:00 PM (#268928 - in reply to #268885)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-17 1:29 PM

Perhaps the earlier ones were not sent from Mother Mopar?

A real recluse, had I not driven up in my Coronet, he would have never even talked to me.



I guess it doesn't matter if the factory actually sponsored him, it's cool to know of someone
who raced MoPars for so long, AND through the "glory" years of true factory stock cars -

Who is he and how can we get pics of his collection ???


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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-04-18 2:05 AM (#268974 - in reply to #268928)
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While it would not take much detective work to figure out who he is, it was demanded of
me not to use his name or take any photos before I got the tour.
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Posted 2011-04-18 2:08 AM (#268975 - in reply to #268905)
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I didn't do anything on a drag strip until the summer of 1960 a


so you're in the club. technically (style wise anyway) 1960 belongs to the 1950s since you start counting with 1 and not zero in my book the fifties ended in 1961 when the UGLY, U-G-L-Y mopar B bodys apeared and the REAL rock n roll began to fade...
Come on now Sid. You can get away with a little UCLY if you are as fast as those Max Wedge Mopars!! I have a fasination with those 62-65 B bodys. I have two projects going on now. A 64 Dodge and a 64 Plymouth Sport Fury, both B bodys. Welcome back!....................MO
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Posted 2011-04-18 2:15 AM (#268977 - in reply to #268974)
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He told a funny story about Mopar sending him a new car ... a new 62 Plymouth with a Max
Wedge 413 and all the race goodies. He and his team were horrified that it had an automatic ...
no one raced automatics then, he said. The car arrived on a Friday and the races were Saturday
night. So they pulled the car into the service area, did all the prep, and drove it to hell and back
to break it in. At one point they crossed paths with a competing Chevy team, the guys in the other
car teasing them out the windows "Nice Rambler!" .... that was, until they gave it some gas and
he said they dusted the 409.

They got to the track too late for qualifying, but were excused if they could place on a run against
one of the qualifiers. They got up and ran the fastest time ever on record at the track, everyone just
piled down into the pits , they shut off the lights and had a big party !

He said no one made fun of his "Rambler" after that.
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Posted 2011-04-18 9:05 AM (#268994 - in reply to #268974)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-18 2:05 AM

While it would not take much detective work to figure out who he is, it was demanded of
me not to use his name or take any photos before I got the tour.



Sounds fishy . . .



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Posted 2011-04-18 9:07 AM (#268995 - in reply to #268975)
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I didn't do anything on a drag strip until the summer of 1960 a


so you're in the club. technically (style wise anyway) 1960 belongs to the 1950s since you start counting with 1 and not zero in my book the fifties ended in 1961 when the UGLY, U-G-L-Y mopar B bodys apeared and the REAL rock n roll began to fade...
Come on now Sid. You can get away with a little UCLY if you are as fast as those Max Wedge Mopars!! I have a fasination with those 62-65 B bodys. I have two projects going on now. A 64 Dodge and a 64 Plymouth Sport Fury, both B bodys. Welcome back!....................MO


I agree ! I LOVE the early B bodies - maybe because they are so "ugly" - kinda makes um "good-looking"

If that makes any sense
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Posted 2011-04-18 11:23 AM (#269006 - in reply to #268610)
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After all the WTF's I have muttered while building this FL car, my 2 early B-bodies are looking pretty good. Any MoPar guy who thinks the early B's are ugly probably has a "Body by Fischer" tag on his panties
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Posted 2011-04-18 11:47 AM (#269012 - in reply to #269006)
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Had I never seen a Forward Look or Mopar "muscle era" car, I'd probably like the
'tweeners. I like 62 Dodge and 63 Plymouth A LOT, but the rest, mebbe not "ugly",
... but just kinda boring. I like seeing other people do them, but too many other cars
would be my choice before I took up a 'tweener. By 66, the B-Body was a well defined
design, but before that they just seemed to be adrift in the vision/design dept. ... and
this seemed to be a case with all the American car makers. kinda like the all decided
to get away from fins, and then forgot to bring a road map !
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Posted 2011-04-18 11:59 AM (#269015 - in reply to #268610)
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No way I could have pulled off drag racing in 1956, I was not born until 1964!
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Posted 2011-04-18 12:58 PM (#269023 - in reply to #268610)
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Ron - 2011-04-15 11:35 AM


I started drag racing in 1957, I owned a 56 Plymouth Fury. All my friends had Fords and Chevy's I was the only guy with a Plymouth. What ever they did their cars, I did to my Plymouth Fury. Special tires, rear end change, distributor curve changed, re jetted carburetor, super tune, hotter coil, boosted line pressure in my Powerflight, etc, etc, etc. Before long they stopped making fun of my lonely Plymouth and started respecting it because I was blowing their doors off on the drag strip every single week.
Did any other guys on the list drag race Mopars in the 50's and 60's?????? If you did, let's see some photos not just stories!!!!!

Ron Allyn Swartley


Ron,
My parents owned a slew of Corvettes and AMX's in the 60's & 70's, and both raced them as well. My mother ran her 63 Vette at Atco Dragway in NJ a couple of times in 1969 against the new Mustang Mach 1's. Her record remains perfect with 2 wins and zero losses. I grew up with a 54 Corvette parts car in the garage. My brother and I used it as a play house/fort, and used to paint it different colors all the time. It had two orange kitchen chairs in it... Funny, but years later, I ended up owning about a dozen or so mustangs, including a 1969 Mach 1 S-code (390BB), the same cars that my mother beat years before I was even born. Hard to believe that with a history like that, that I fell in love with the 57 Fury! I know it's not a mopar racing story, but it all led up to me owning my Fury. My mother is the one who let me watch Christine, against her better judgement, when I was just a kid. Thanks Mom!!!
-Ron C.

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Posted 2011-04-18 2:52 PM (#269031 - in reply to #268610)
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Since the nearest dragstrip was over 300 miles from my home town, my racing was all done outlaw style on back roads. Dad's '56 Belvedere 227 PowerFlite held its own against similarly equipped Fords and Chevys...about 50-50, but a friend's '56 Savoy with a 4-bbl and duals managed to beat me every time.
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Posted 2011-04-19 3:50 AM (#269108 - in reply to #268994)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-18 2:05 AM

While it would not take much detective work to figure out who he is, it was demanded of
me not to use his name or take any photos before I got the tour.



Sounds fishy . . .



Nooooo----really? ...................................MO
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Posted 2011-04-19 12:28 PM (#269141 - in reply to #268610)
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i wasn't born until the 70's, so nope, didn't race Mopars in the '50s...
my dad raced out in Cali when he returned from military service - but he raced Studebakers...

he's actually currently restoring a '53 "Loewy Coupe" that he used to race...
mom found it several years back, still had dad's initials "welded" into the rear fender where he "marked his territory" back in the day...

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Posted 2011-04-20 11:02 AM (#269246 - in reply to #269141)
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I agree that Chrysler, and especially the Plymouth Division, was not interested in drag racing until the '60s, but they did like to take cars to the Speed Weeks at Daytona to run the "Flying Mile" on the sand. In fact, in 1960 Chrysler 300F "Specials" set the record for that event that still stand -- six of them ran, with the top speed being Gregg Ziegler's 144.927. A contributor to this site has an F "Special" but I don't know if it's one of these. In 1956, Chrysler took some new Furys down and they almost beat out the 300Bs -- it was said that if the B would hiccup, the Fury would pass it.
Mr. Ford instituted the AMA ban on racing in 1957, but both Ford and GM turned a blind eye on the prohibition, while Chrysler was a bit more careful in following. Their efforts were more or less allowing factory groups (like the Ramchargers) and even individuals (such as Al Eckstrand) access to shops, technology, etc.
However, local dealers were often involved sponsoring cars. In 1960, one of my opponents was another '60 Fury with "Bill Goodro Chrysler-Plymouth" painted all over it.
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Posted 2011-04-20 11:31 AM (#269253 - in reply to #268610)
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Chrysler ads in 1957 suggested that they had some interest in drag racing. Remember the magazine ad that was looking over the shoulder of a guy driving a '57 Chevy, looking at the back of a '57 Plymouth, with a caption that said words to the effect..."forget it, he's got a Fury V-800 under the hood"?
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Posted 2011-04-20 3:37 PM (#269292 - in reply to #268975)
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MOPAR-TO-YA - 2011-04-18 2:08 AM

Come on now Sid. You can get away with a little UCLY if you are as fast as those Max Wedge Mopars!! I have two projects going on now. A 64 Dodge and a 64 Plymouth Sport Fury, both B bodys. Welcome back!....................MO


thanks mo. yes a LITTLE ugly... i meant the 62-63 b bodys. 64s are better. ugly can be cool. the late 60s fastback mustangs for instance look raw, brutal, aggressive, ugly but kool. the 62/63 b bodys are just ugly. a nerd design. soul/lifeless, uninspired, numb. look at those plump boxy rooflines with fat c posts. no rakish body lines no eager, angry looking front ends with a way too short deck and hood they look european like 60s fiats or eastern block cars ironically chrysler, the master of building well designed big cars, introduced these as new standard sized cars to replace the fullsize. thats another reason i can't stand them. i find it hard to believe they designed these things when they build, for instance, 1960 dodge coupes. to me the epitome of good taste. i wanted to post a 62/63 b body for comparison but i just can't look at em long enough, it almost hurts. the people who designed these things should have been punished

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Posted 2011-04-21 12:40 AM (#269377 - in reply to #268610)
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Gee whizz Sid , you are making me feel bad. 'bout like calling my Momma a wh*re! Those 50-61 Mopars were so ugly, there was no way to go in design but UP!. LOL............................MO
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Posted 2011-04-21 7:24 AM (#269400 - in reply to #269377)
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Chrysler ads in 1957 suggested that they had some interest in drag racing. Remember the magazine ad that was looking over the shoulder of a guy driving a '57 Chevy, looking at the back of a '57 Plymouth, with a caption that said words to the effect..."forget it, he's got a Fury V-800 under the hood"?

Gary --
At most, only a suggestion. A few years back, "American Muscle Car" had a feature on the Ramchargers and Jim Thornton was interviewed. He said that in 1961, the group wanted to go for all the marbles in NHRA's Super Stock class at the '61 National Drags, so they asked Plymouth for a car. The Plymouth guys said that wasn't in their image, but the Dodge division heard about it and offered them the '61 Pioneer which almost took the Stock Eliminator trophy. They lost because the manual 3-speed kept bending (and sometimes even shearing) synchronizer pins, but they did have the lowest e.t. in the stock class and even beat the "titled" stock eliminator (Don Nickolson's 409) in a grudge run at the end of the festivities.
Al Eckstrand did get some factory help in 1959 when he put together his '59 "Fury 300," a Sport Fury with a '59 Chrysler 300C engine. He even had a stylized "Fury 300" roundel in the place of the normal Sport Fury one. However, the NHRA didn't buy off on it for the stock class and put it in the "Gas" class.
I believe the DVD of Thornton's interview on the Ramchargers is still available.
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-18 2:05 AM

While it would not take much detective work to figure out who he is, it was demanded of
me not to use his name or take any photos before I got the tour.



Sounds fishy . . .



Nooooo----really? ...................................MO


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I have a 56 Plymouth convertible that was supposed to have been a famous or at least popular drag racer in Pennsylvania 40-50 years ago. Ron, does that ring any bells? The car had been modified to take a big block and a floor shifter. There is evidence the flywheel scattered. Richard
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MOPAR-TO-YA - 2011-04-18 2:08 AM

Come on now Sid. You can get away with a little UCLY if you are as fast as those Max Wedge Mopars!! I have two projects going on now. A 64 Dodge and a 64 Plymouth Sport Fury, both B bodys. Welcome back!....................MO


thanks mo. yes a LITTLE ugly... i meant the 62-63 b bodys. 64s are better. ugly can be cool. the late 60s fastback mustangs for instance look raw, brutal, aggressive, ugly but kool. the 62/63 b bodys are just ugly. a nerd design. soul/lifeless, uninspired, numb. look at those plump boxy rooflines with fat c posts. no rakish body lines no eager, angry looking front ends with a way too short deck and hood they look european like 60s fiats or eastern block cars ironically chrysler, the master of building well designed big cars, introduced these as new standard sized cars to replace the fullsize. thats another reason i can't stand them. i find it hard to believe they designed these things when they build, for instance, 1960 dodge coupes. to me the epitome of good taste. i wanted to post a 62/63 b body for comparison but i just can't look at em long enough, it almost hurts. the people who designed these things should have been punished :)


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darn, Sid !!!! A fine presentation of aesthetic reasoning, if I ever heard one. I could not agree more, although I don't think Mother Mopar got back on track until 1966. With bookends like the Forward Look and the muscle car era setting design standards, what came in the middle is pretty much "mush" by comparison.
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Posted 2011-04-22 2:30 AM (#269541 - in reply to #269411)
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Come on now Sid. You can get away with a little UCLY if you are as fast as those Max Wedge Mopars!! I have two projects going on now. A 64 Dodge and a 64 Plymouth Sport Fury, both B bodys. Welcome back!....................MO


thanks mo. yes a LITTLE ugly... i meant the 62-63 b bodys. 64s are better. ugly can be cool. the late 60s fastback mustangs for instance look raw, brutal, aggressive, ugly but kool. the 62/63 b bodys are just ugly. a nerd design. soul/lifeless, uninspired, numb. look at those plump boxy rooflines with fat c posts. no rakish body lines no eager, angry looking front ends with a way too short deck and hood they look european like 60s fiats or eastern block cars ironically chrysler, the master of building well designed big cars, introduced these as new standard sized cars to replace the fullsize. thats another reason i can't stand them. i find it hard to believe they designed these things when they build, for instance, 1960 dodge coupes. to me the epitome of good taste. i wanted to post a 62/63 b body for comparison but i just can't look at em long enough, it almost hurts. the people who designed these things should have been punished :)


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darn, Sid !!!! A fine presentation of aesthetic reasoning, if I ever heard one. I could not agree more, although I don't think Mother Mopar got back on track until 1966. With bookends like the Forward Look and the muscle car era setting design standards, what came in the middle is pretty much "mush" by comparison.
Doc, sometimes you are just incredible. A while back we had to set you straight on the rooflines of the "mush" cars. How can you have an opinion of them if you don't know what they look like? Of course you like the 66-67 bookends cause you have one. Doc, my friend, sometime you must admit you don't know everything.....................MO
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Posted 2011-04-22 7:36 AM (#269569 - in reply to #269541)
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Mo,

Thanks, I work out. I'll bet you are pretty incredible too!

What is a "mush" car ?

I do not like the 66 Dodge because I own one. I own it because I like them.

There is a difference.
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Posted 2011-04-22 10:00 PM (#269657 - in reply to #269569)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-22 6:36 AM

Mo,

Thanks, I work out. I'll bet you are pretty incredible too!

What is a "mush" car ?

I do not like the 66 Dodge because I own one. I own it because I like them.

There is a difference.



I COULDN'T GET THINGS IN QUITE THE ORDER I WANTED, but here is my responce:
Incredible--maybe I don;t know how to use the word Incredible. Isn't it correct to say" Yep, that guy is very credible"

From the quote below is where I got the "mush" car term- you coined it ! You otta know what it is!

And then finally--Of course you like 66 Dodges. Why else would you own one??? Whats the difference? I like 66-67 B body Mopars. Best looking box on four wheels IMO........ Amigo MO................... BTW to stay on topic, I started drag raceing in 1962 with a 1950 Dodge.




darn, Sid !!!! A fine presentation of aesthetic reasoning, if I ever heard one. I could not agree more, although I don't think Mother Mopar got back on track until 1966. With bookends like the Forward Look and the muscle car era setting design standards, what came in the middle is pretty much "mush" by comparison.

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You gonna eat that ?

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Did you really eat thaT??? MO's WISDOM IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS Mess
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Posted 2011-04-23 12:12 AM (#269665 - in reply to #269657)
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If you want to meet this man and prove or disprove any credibility, get your tokus to
Spokane when I am back home and I will personally introduce you, ... and you can hear
the talk for yourself .... if you want to see his sh!t, you'll not go dropping his name or
showing photos of his stuff to anyone. I don't see why this concept is so hard to grasp.
This is far from the first car I guy I've met that wants his privacy.

So there, .. the offer is on the table.
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Posted 2011-04-23 1:18 AM (#269671 - in reply to #268610)
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One of the best things about this hobby is all the strange and fascinating characters one meets.
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Posted 2011-04-23 1:52 AM (#269673 - in reply to #269671)
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Citing myself as a prime example, you have to be just a little eccentric to keep one
of these cars in your life. Multiply accordingly from there.
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Posted 2011-04-23 3:42 AM (#269679 - in reply to #269665)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-22 11:12 PM

If you want to meet this man and prove or disprove any credibility, get your tokus to
Spokane when I am back home and I will personally introduce you, ... and you can hear
the talk for yourself .... if you want to see his sh!t, you'll not go dropping his name or
showing photos of his stuff to anyone. I don't see why this concept is so hard to grasp.
This is far from the first car I guy I've met that wants his privacy.

So there, .. the offer is on the table.
I do have friends and relatives in the area and my Chrysler was from near there as well. Takeing that all in and seeing the cars you talk about would make a great vacation. When do you get back state-side? Does he have any famous drag cars from the 50's?................................MO
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Posted 2011-04-23 3:48 AM (#269680 - in reply to #269665)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-22 11:12 PM

If you want to meet this man and prove or disprove any credibility, get your tokus to
Spokane when I am back home and I will personally introduce you, ... and you can hear
the talk for yourself .... if you want to see his sh!t, you'll not go dropping his name or
showing photos of his stuff to anyone. I don't see why this concept is so hard to grasp.
This is far from the first car I guy I've met that wants his privacy.

So there, .. the offer is on the table.
I do have friends and relatives in the area and my Chrysler was from near there as well. Takeing that all in and seeing the cars you talk about would make a great vacation. When do you get back state-side? Does he have any famous drag cars from the 50's?................................MO
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Posted 2011-04-23 5:29 AM (#269683 - in reply to #269680)
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My tour is officially over in 29 months, Sir.

If offered one of the positions I have applied for back home, I may be home sooner.

It would be a pleasure to meet you and take you out there for a visit. I'll even buy
dinner and the beer. Maybe even give you a tour of my old photo albums to dispell any
lingering credibility questions.

However, showing up in daisy dukes nixes all offers !
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